The pre-game warmup is dead

[The Chazz 4,077]

35 minutes ago, forever demons said:

because they are changing not fixing something

So they are going back to something that wasn't broken?

I seriously don't know what your issue is.

[forever demons 2,262]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Well, I did add "if that's what they're doing" precisely because I don't know. But, I could see reasons why they might. For example, next year the AFLW will expand with 2 more teams, with further expansion in 2020. That means a longer AFLW season. They could start the AFLW earlier...or start when they do now and continue on past the start of the AFL season. If it's the latter, it might make sense to play AFLW games as curtain raisers.  In addition as more clubs are going back to standalone VFL teams, perhaps VFL matches could be played as curtain raisers. By playing AFLW or VFL games before the AFL game, I expect costs would be reduced (because they are playing at a venue which is already staffed) and possibly increasing potential attendances for those games.

ifs buts and maybes ,do you work for the afl

[forever demons 2,262]

52 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

So they are going back to something that wasn't broken?

I seriously don't know what your issue is.

the change to be seen to be doing something to justify their being

[ickey_11 145]

8 hours ago, Demonland said:

One of the reasons for this to accommodate curtain raisers to some matches which could be a good thing.

I like the pre-game warmup because I am conducting an unscientific study on the correlation between warmup kicking for goals and the in-game goal kicking to see if the warmup is an accurate guage. Results so far are inconclusive. 

I can contribute to this study. Adem Yze seemed to never miss a shot on goal (during the game) if he missed every shot in the warm-up.

But this theory never worked with Neitz, as he needed a set shot from the goal square or a handball over the top to get over his "kicking for goal nerves" for that game. Once he got his first he could nail them from anywhere.

[Demonland 73,304]

3 minutes ago, ickey_11 said:

I can contribute to this study. Adem Yze seemed to never miss a shot on goal (during the game) if he missed every shot in the warm-up.

But this theory never worked with Neitz, as he needed a set shot from the goal square or a handball over the top to get over his "kicking for goal nerves" for that game. Once he got his first he could nail them from anywhere.

I'm going to need hard facts. I hope you kept a journal.

[ickey_11 145]

11 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I'm going to need hard facts. I hope you kept a journal.

you said unscientific, now you want scientific.........

[Demonland 73,304]

1 minute ago, ickey_11 said:

you said unscientific, now you want scientific.........

Since it's going to be peer reviewed I guess it will have to be scientific.

[ickey_11 145]

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Since it's going to be peer reviewed I guess it will have to be scientific.

I always insist on a "beer review" myself.

[Cassiew 1,903]

Is it official yet?

I’m sure both teams appreciate being about to have a little warmup on the ground to help get a feel of it. Even if it’s not just form fams. So they’re taking a thing that fans like away to make way for a fan thing!? Storm games a very family oriented and they still do warmups.

[Call Me What You Will 751]

Maybe.....they could have the reserves as a warm up game to the big game....and maybe they could have an under 19’s comp played on the away teams suburban ground at the same time as the seniors......and maybe they could have a trophy named for the winner of all three comps.... and maybe......nah! it’d never sell.....

[DaveyDee 421]

5 hours ago, Demonland said:

I'm going to need hard facts. I hope you kept a journal.

I too have an interesting warm-up stat, normally every game we have a margin tipping competition where all entries must be in prior to the end of the warm-ups. Now, generally speaking if more people in the group tip us - we win, if less people tip us - we lose. With the exception of 1 game per year Anzac eve I cant get Peggy O'Neal or Brendan Gale to tip us for the life of me. 

So my question is - When are we going to run our nearest to the pin tipping comp - little do some people know our computer is very accurate at margin betting. Shivers I could lose a valuable revenue stream, which I often donate back to the MCG. 

Edited March 5, 2018 by DaveyDee

[Chook 15,022]

I can now envisage a situation in which the Hungry Jack's AwayTeam™ comes out at 2:10pm on a Saturday afternoon and the Bunnings HomeTeam (patent pending) comes out to contest the opening bounce, but is penalised 10k for doing so.

Edited March 5, 2018 by Chook

[In Harmes Way 7,832]

8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

How awful that would be. Hope i am either long dead, or at a point where my interest is with other things. 

Aussie rules without having to bounce the ball when running, without point posts, an offside rule and limited tackling,removes all the elements that make our game original. 

I am so sick of old bastards pulling the rules apart and telling me it’s better. 

We should be proud of our game...

i need to punch a wall. ? 

I’m just hoping we’ve won a flag by then SWYL.

[Sir Why You Little 37,245]

9 hours ago, small but forward said:

I’m just hoping we’ve won a flag by then SWYL.

Yes SBF i dream of such things too, but i do want to win those flags under the rules of Australian Fiotball, rather than some hybrid packaged rubbish that has been dreamed up by an advertising company!!

[In Harmes Way 7,832]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes SBF i dream of such things too, but i do want to win those flags under the rules of Australian Fiotball, rather than some hybrid packaged rubbish that has been dreamed up by an advertising company!!

We can now safely move on from the made up stuff SWYL, alteady throwing darts at that trophy.

[Sir Why You Little 37,245]

13 minutes ago, small but forward said:

We can now safely move on from the made up stuff SWYL, alteady throwing darts at that trophy.

Excellent. Run over it in the car a few times, just to make sure!!

[Cassiew 1,903]

I miss the old reserves before the game plus little league at half time.

[Guest]

On 2018/3/5 at 12:23 PM, --coach-- said:

Thank goodness I don’t have to watch those bothersome warm up routines anymore, instead I can get back to watching the grass grow ?

Maybe we could get a dance troupe like Collingwood had for pre game entertainment? 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,958]

I don't like the term "pre game entertainment". I fear something noisy and garish which will add to the cost of putting on the real game which spectators will indirectly have to pay for. I would, however, support curtain raisers, particularly if they involved our AFLW or VFL teams or even TAC cup football..

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

On 3/5/2018 at 1:01 PM, Clint Bizkit said:

Whilst these changes aren't the end of the world, there is a feeling in the air that things could get worse.

If even a fraction of what is written in the below article is true then the AFL will destroy itself:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/future-melbourne/future-of-footy-soccer-poses-afls-biggest-threat/news-story/aa9868267b76c50f674046aaac3bdacc?nk=16ce8b887442afd6f2b3da85ecbbd55d-1520215243

People like Keith Thomas need to leave the game before they cause more damage.

I'm really starting to worry about the future of the AFL, Steve Hocking scares me to no end:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/super-power-takes-control-at-the-afl-20180307-p4z3be.html

"Ultimately, key decision-makers at league headquarters want player contracts to end each year on October 31 so that players can sign with private AFLX franchises, meaning the likes of Dangerfield, Dustin Martin and Nat Fyfe could all play for the same team."

Can someone please point me to the information that shows that AFLX was a great success and is what everyone wants?

Edited March 7, 2018 by Clint Bizkit

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

25 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

"Ultimately, key decision-makers at league headquarters want player contracts to end each year on October 31 so that players can sign with private AFLX franchises, meaning the likes of Dangerfield, Dustin Martin and Nat Fyfe could all play for the same team."

I'm guessing that the current coaches of Danger, Dusty and Fyfe will freak out at the thought of another coach getting their mitts on their guy ... imagine if Danger did a knee while doing one of Stuey Dew's training drills?

The coaches killed representative footy because of possible player injuries. They might kill this too.

 

27 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Can someone please point me to the information that shows that AFLX was a great success and is what everyone wants?

The Channel 7 and Foxtel ledger books might be the place to start.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

54 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

The Channel 7 and Foxtel ledger books might be the place to start.

There was the Herald Sun article that I linked before which was sprouting rubbish about AFL in 2050 being played on rectangular grounds.

This is where they want to go.

There is a movement within the AFL to make AFLX the new thing and ultimately take over. By doing so the AFL will actually make the game less popular by destroying the brilliant product that they have inherited.

Edited March 7, 2018 by Clint Bizkit

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

I am reminded of a tale from a long long time ago, about a boy who killed his magical goose so he could get all of its golden eggs at once.

 

From memory, he ended up with no goose, no eggs, and worst of all, no TV rights contract for live coverage.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Next in AFL: no behind posts. Too provincial and backward.

No bouncing of the ball when running with it. Bloody thing sometimes goes sideways, ruins the spectacle on TV.

New exciting offside rule. Too dull when a bloke gets an easy goal over the top. Ruins the spectacle on TV.

Game day squad of 40. 25 on the field and 15 interchange. Unlimited interchange. How exciting to watch fit young athletes dashing on and off constantly, like track and field relay teams.

New zone system. No, not a requirement to have minimum players in each zone. Instead, teams will be penalised if any player is more than 30m away from the ball. Every player has a chance to be in the action at every moment! What a thrilling spectacle for the TV viewers!

No actual players. Instead players will be holographs controlled by Xbox gadgets operated by spectators who win a lucky draw before the match.

No actual "clubs", which are outre and tribal in this era of enlightenment and egalitarianism. Instead, sponsors will bid each week to have a team playing under their name & colours. ("Come to the G this Wednesday morning at 4AM -- Euro prime time -- to see the Reject Shop Pickers take on the BankWest Platinum Mastercard Big Spenders!") My god, the merchandising opportunities alone are enough to make you weak at the knees!

Players are not signed to club, they're signed to the league. Sponsors to decide which players will play on each team on the day. Marketing managers representing the game day sponsors will do an old fashioned take-it-in-turns to select players. Like in schoolyard days. A tip of the hat to the past, to keep the older (and bigger spending) punters happy.

At half time, players from other clubs can invade and take over positions on the field. For a touch of reality TV, which all punters absolutely love. Just check out the ratings if you're a tired old stick on the mud. One player from each team will change sides at a random moment. In-game betting will give out fabulous cash prizes to viewers who can correctly predict how much revenue this players earns during the game.

The people's game. And you're telling me we're going to have to wait until 2050 to enjoy all this!?

[Sir Why You Little 37,245]

23 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

There was the Herald Sun article that I linked before which was sprouting rubbing about AFL in 2050 being played on rectangular grounds.

This is where they want to go.

There is a movement within the AFL to make AFLX the new thing and ultimately take over. By doing so the AFL will actually make the game less popular by destroying the brilliant product that they have inherited.

This is depressing reading

Seriously AFLX was incredibly boring