buck_nekkid said:

I still think it is less effective than structured, flexible rule based operation where team and coordinated action is required.

I would have thought that structured, flexible, rule-based operations were part of the decision-making, orientation and action loop in the first place, enabling enhancement of executable speed and still leaving the opposition in a delayed, observational-orientational state. This is opposed to 'automated' responses of players to get rid of the ball by reckless kicks, handballs and placing teammates under increasing pressure to take on this role on their behalf. We must remember that the mind executes actions far more quickly that its analysis outside the field may justify. The mind can be acclimatised to making rational, all-loop processes at remarkable rates of progress.

1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

buck_nekkid said:

I still think it is less effective than structured, flexible rule based operation where team and coordinated action is required.

I would have thought that structured, flexible, rule-based operations were part of the decision-making, orientation and action loop in the first place, enabling enhancement of executable speed and still leaving the opposition in a delayed, observational-orientational state. This is opposed to 'automated' responses of players to get rid of the ball by reckless kicks, handballs and placing teammates under increasing pressure to take on this role on their behalf. We must remember that the mind executes actions far more quickly that its analysis outside the field may justify. The mind can be acclimatised to making rational, all-loop processes at remarkable rates of progress.

That I can agree with.  The ability to make the decisions that put us to advantage at each contest is a critical skill.

Interested in Goodwin's assessment of Hogan: "...we’re looking forward to continuing to build Jesse as a forward and midfielder as we move into the season."

Always liked it when Jesse was moved into the midfield...things just "happened..."

4 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Where results are based upon a series of unpredictable decisions, and where individual poor decisions are ‘expendable’, I see this as useful.  However, where we are looking for coordinated outcomes and poor decision making can be costly, I’m not sure the logic applies

Example: the half back makes a snap decision to go through the corridor.  It catches everyone out, including our players further up the field.  Our players are out of position and we get back to a 50/50 contest, rather than one favour.  If, however, there are a hierarchy of team rules, applied flexibly, then rapid decision making and execution against those rules is more predictable for us, as we are better drilled in them, and turn such contests 70/30 etc.

Helter Skelter OODA will catch everyone out.  If you win more 50/50 contests, and can tolerate the cost of poor or ineffective decisions, then it may apply.  I still think it is less effective than structured, flexible rule based operation where team and coordinated action is required.

Great post mate. This thinking/discussion  is what I was hoping would be generated. I agree with what you've said here. I think one of the interesting bits of detail here is how it applies to the team. The other 'industries' that I referred to don't typically do 'total random' they're pre-defined actions, just executed faster and slightly more difficult to read. A series of plays, that the team can predict and apply at pace would be wonderful to watch. 

Can't wait to see the season proper, I truly hope goody and co have continued to search for ways push us further and make us more competitive.

 

 

Liked his write-up on Keilty, makes me think he should debut early in the season hopefully

3 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

Liked his write-up on Keilty, makes me think he should debut early in the season hopefully

Reckon Drunkn167 might become Hangover167 if that's the case.

How proud and excited would a bloke be to see his brother make his AFL debut?

Hope it becomes a reality for you bloke.

9 hours ago, Buffalo said:

Interested in Goodwin's assessment of Hogan: "...we’re looking forward to continuing to build Jesse as a forward and midfielder as we move into the season."

Always liked it when Jesse was moved into the midfield...things just "happened..."

I still remember Daniher chucking Garry Lyon into the guts for a quick run back in '98 with similar results.  I'll always remember his huge tackle in Round 2 against North that resulted in a goal for us.  

10 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I still remember Daniher chucking Garry Lyon into the guts for a quick run back in '98 with similar results.  I'll always remember his huge tackle in Round 2 against North that resulted in a goal for us.  

Ten out of ten for your memory wiseblood.

The most startling revelation to come out of these updates is that Jay Kennedy Harris does not have a hyphen between Kennedy and Harris. It's all happening.

Player B has arms. He uses them to handball as his arms, it seems, is where his hands are located.

Can see Goody will have a post coaching career in the Media with his special comments! 

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Ten out of ten for your memory wiseblood.

If only I could remember the truly important things OD, then I'd be alright! 

On 05/01/2018 at 1:58 PM, DeeZone said:

I'm thinking 5th and anything goes...!!!

Will finish top four. This is the year. Even years seem to favour the dees

On 08/01/2018 at 1:19 PM, Buffalo said:

Interested in Goodwin's assessment of Hogan: "...we’re looking forward to continuing to build Jesse as a forward and midfielder as we move into the season."

Always liked it when Jesse was moved into the midfield...things just "happened..."

It's an interesting comment. Though Hogan has looked decent with flashes in the midfield, I'd hope it is nothing more than that. With the loss of Watts, Hogan needs to form a partnership up forward with TMac and maybe Weid in future. We really need him to just establish himself and kick us bags. Our biggest issue at present is scoring. We dominate play the majority of the time but never seem to convert our dominance in general play into actual score. A fit and healthy Hogan playing 22 games should net 50+ goals for the season and we desperately need that. Sure, give him a few spurts up the ground to get him involved, but others can fill that roll where as not many can fill the dominant key forward spot like he can.

24 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

It's an interesting comment. Though Hogan has looked decent with flashes in the midfield, I'd hope it is nothing more than that. With the loss of Watts, Hogan needs to form a partnership up forward with TMac and maybe Weid in future. We really need him to just establish himself and kick us bags. Our biggest issue at present is scoring. We dominate play the majority of the time but never seem to convert our dominance in general play into actual score. A fit and healthy Hogan playing 22 games should net 50+ goals for the season and we desperately need that. Sure, give him a few spurts up the ground to get him involved, but others can fill that roll where as not many can fill the dominant key forward spot like he can.

Agreed. 

Also when fit he is very mobile for his size but not in the same league as any genuine midfielder. Midfielders need to be agile and fleet of foot. Jesse has struggled with fitness and injury concerns. He seems very fit this year but how will his body stand-up once the season gets underway. He will not be much use in the midfield with any tightness or niggles.

I always saw Jesse as a roaming forward, a bit in the Wayne Carey mold. A guy who could use his strength and agility to pop up all over the forward line and at times be a diversion for others.

Will be interesting to see how he is used but first of all Hogan needs to put together games without interruption from injury.  

On 08/01/2018 at 1:19 PM, Buffalo said:

Interested in Goodwin's assessment of Hogan: "...we’re looking forward to continuing to build Jesse as a forward and midfielder as we move into the season."

Always liked it when Jesse was moved into the midfield...things just "happened..."

I liked this as well. Hogan able to move into the midfield (aka Roughie for the Hawks) for periods allows us more flexibility in the forward line I.e when resting Gawn forward, Hogan goes into the midfield etc...

Plus I think he'll thrive on more of an upfield role at times.

7 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

If only I could remember the truly important things OD, then I'd be alright! 

Like where you left the car keys...??  LOL

24 minutes ago, Vagg said:

Like where you left the car keys...??  LOL

Or when the wife's birthday is.

15 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Or when the wife's birthday is.

Or our last flag...I’m only 48

Edited January 9, 20187 yr by small but forward

On 1/5/2018 at 2:49 PM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

It's understood Jack Watts was a frequent recipient of the above award last pre season.

Is that why he wasn't picked for pre-season games? Oh I see what you're doing.....

On 1/7/2018 at 12:55 PM, Satyriconhome said:

I

Observe the opposition player making a break down the wing

Orient myself so it looks like I am in a position to chase

Decide that he is too fast for me

Act and point him out to another player who is already marking an opponent

Simples

We have had some of the best pointers in the game....Moloney could point at a player running away magnificently. Kent isn't a bad pointer either....

3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

We have had some of the best pointers in the game....Moloney could point at a player running away magnificently. Kent isn't a bad pointer either....

One pointer ain't gonna make a summer. It is a whole team approach. I remember what Moloney did but the problem was that no-one was looking, just attempting to provide up-field or down-field coverage of an opponent. The team would regularly fail to 'orientate' because they did not 'observe' first and thirdly, this led the team as a whole to decision-making that was wrong; finally, the action taken was usually in the lag of seconds that they might otherwise have imposed on their opponents had the 'system' been geneticised. 

1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

One pointer ain't gonna make a summer. It is a whole team approach. I remember what Moloney did but the problem was that no-one was looking, just attempting to provide up-field or down-field coverage of an opponent. The team would regularly fail to 'orientate' because they did not 'observe' first and thirdly, this led the team as a whole to decision-making that was wrong; finally, the action taken was usually in the lag of seconds that they might otherwise have imposed on their opponents had the 'system' been geneticised. 

Nothing wrong with pointers hodge is a pointer, some of the best are pointers, that was one of the reasons the Hawks defence improved in the second half of last year, hodge was pointing telling the inexperienced young players were to go.

2 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

Nothing wrong with pointers hodge is a pointer, some of the best are pointers, that was one of the reasons the Hawks defence improved in the second half of last year, hodge was pointing telling the inexperienced young players were to go.

Hodge has a great body of work behind him that tells the pointee he knows what he is talking about and he's about team.

We've had our share of pointers who used it to take the easy way out. Our pointee's were lambs to the slaughter...

53 minutes ago, rjay said:

Hodge has a great body of work behind him that tells the pointee he knows what he is talking about and he's about team.

We've had our share of pointers who used it to take the easy way out. Our pointee's were lambs to the slaughter...

Correct.