Jarrad McVeigh

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How about it? Sydney dont look to be offering him another contract

Im not sure if he has more than one year, but it cant hurt to have another mature player.

Pro: Another experienced calm head down back and a switched on player that reenforces coaches message

Tough uncompromising player and it wpuld strengthen our culture and bring in Sydney IP. His disposal is fine and reliable enough. 

Part of the process of upgrading our 'bottom 6' and allowing them to fight it out in the vfl to replace McVeigh, Bernie And Lewis in the 22. 

Allows some scope for Lewis to play more in a drifting role and move forward more in setting up clean inside 50's or kicking goals. 

Would replace Vince's role or allow him to be primarily a roleplaying tagger. Vince has exausted any cultural impact he might've offered.

Would only benefit us if we also brought in outside running mids who could offset the lack of pace we'd get bringing him in and give more solidity to a defence that uses TMAC forward.

Could become a valuable addition to coaching dept or clubman.

Cons: He'll be 32 next year and there is an injury risk and we'd need to outbid a Gold Coast club who may be looking to strengthen their culture and give him 2 years.

At risk of becoming too slow.

Anyhow:

He's one player to watch in Sydneys upcoming finals series to see how much benefit we could get.

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And if not McVeigh. Anybody else?

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I absolutely agree on the concept of bringing in an experienced, AFL ready & proven player, however, I think it needs to be someone that has some pace over the ground as we sure don't need another player who lacks pace to add to the long list we have. 

A de-listed Free Agent like Henderson who Hawks picked up last year to replace Hill on one wing would've been perfect for us.  There will be more de-lists this year that will be an upgrade on Harmes, Salem, JKH, Vince, etc who you just can't trust to play two consecutively good games. 

[Dwight Schrute 16,751]

I would simply because I don't think vince is good enough to play that role. 

 

One year as a player and moving into an assistant coach role. 

 

Woudl cost us nothing and his experience and composure could be handy.

[praha 10,270]

Just what we need. Another player whose heart is elsewhere but comes to us to offer "leadership" on a retirement plan. No thanks.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,154]

I would only consider McVeigh if another veteran was to make way for him.  Bernie has looked a shadow of his former self for the majority of the year... will wait and see how his contract plays out.  I think Vince, Lewis and McVeigh in the same team is one too many.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

We need players who will hurt if a repeat of Saturday happens. I'm sure McVeigh would be a decent fit on the team, but we shouldn't just get another club's veteran to make up for the lack of our own. Will he care when it's all on the line? He's 32, and that's the age we binned Cross who's a similar player and actually showed something that resembled pride in the guernsey. 

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2 minutes ago, praha said:

Just what we need. Another player whose heart is elsewhere but comes to us to offer "leadership" on a retirement plan. No thanks.

Like Daniel Cross?

[TGR 1,367]

Yeh.

 

Lets get another one-paced, one-geared mid (looking for superannuation).

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stewart crameri??? would add another dimension. not sure about his fwd 50 defensive pressure though...

we evidently lack long targets in the 50 when jesse pushes high up on the wings...

discuss

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i shouldve known this would bring out a few Lewis haters. I thought the tune was changed when he had a valuable two months and was in our best in the past month? Was speed the reason why we lost any of our games against North, Coll, Freo or Hawthorn??

Anyway here are a few sydney fans thoughts on keeping him:

 

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"I hope McVeigh stays. He's still highly capable I reckon.

"McVeigh is certainly capable, and important to the structure. I suppose the real question is whether his body can hold up."

"I think McVeigh's body is doing just fine and as Paul Roos won't shut up about, his football smarts and poise is better than ever."

 

 

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[rjay 23,895]

McVeigh will be lucky to see out the end of this season let alone another.

With recurring calf problems it looked like he was done earlier in the year but has made a great comeback. Only one more recurrence and he's done.

No thanks...

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10 minutes ago, rjay said:

McVeigh will be lucky to see out the end of this season let alone another.

With recurring calf problems it looked like he was done earlier in the year but has made a great comeback. Only one more recurrence and he's done.

No thanks...

And if he contributed 10-12 games with 3 or 4 very important performances, it would still be triple as much impact as JKH, Bugg, Stretch, Harmes, Wagner, White and so on.

Are we upgrading our list now or waiting for duds to develop into something they're not?

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19 minutes ago, TGR said:

Yeh.

 

Lets get another one-paced, one-geared mid (looking for superannuation).

Yawn

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34 minutes ago, praha said:

Just what we need. Another player whose heart is elsewhere but comes to us to offer "leadership" on a retirement plan. No thanks.

Agreed. 

I respect McVeigh enormously but we need to stop trying to import leadership. It has to be organic and grow from within. 

Lewis hasn't helped us make finals. Neither will McVeigh. 

I am all for bringing in another Hibberd type, but no to another 30+ over the hill player looking for 2 years of extra padding in the back pocket. These guys aren't motivated for success when they've enjoyed so much of it, unless they are strongly looking at coaching and want to do some of it on field, otherwise forget it. 

I would hate to have someone who isn't in our long term plans prevent us from giving someone younger the experience they desperately need. Lewis has 2 more years and Vince is on his last leg. Bringing in a third aging star will just make us that much slower. 

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Melbourne Geriatric Club.All those over the hill and the next  Welcome !!!

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On the assumption that Garland retires a resounding yes for the appropriate veteran.

Damning that we still don't have our own but c'est la vie

PS A one plus one contract preferably... 2 if we have to..... the 3 years to Lewis was probably one year too long

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[whatwhat say what 18,912]

i'll take him as part of our coaching set-up...but not our playing list

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1 hour ago, Wrecked Owl Dees Function said:

And if he contributed 10-12 games with 3 or 4 very important performances, it would still be triple as much impact as JKH, Bugg, Stretch, Harmes, Wagner, White and so on.

Are we upgrading our list now or waiting for duds to develop into something they're not?

It's a very big if 'Owl'...I think he's likely to be cooked by the end of this season & won't have another game in him.

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

I am all for bringing in another Hibberd type

Agree...

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21 minutes ago, rjay said:

It's a very big if 'Owl'...I think he's likely to be cooked by the end of this season & won't have another game in him.

Fair enough. I suppose we wait and see as to what is available come trade week. But if we could get a year out of him and its nearing the end of trade week and we havent added another mature aged player, do you think it would be worth a punt? Id like to see one of Lewis or Vince more up into high half forward rotating into the midfield and giving us 15 goals next year which opens the door for McVeigh to play a year in defence and mentor Omac and Lever with TMac forward with Hogan. McV could then become our defensive coach and we can then start to model our defence on Sydneys again. Goodwin could use thst Roos style foundation refresh to balance his attacking mindset. 

Hopefully Johnstone and Weideman throughout the year can contribute to the forward line so it does not lose any speed with Lewis in there. Another Garlett would be of immense help.

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7 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Like Daniel Cross?

We're beyond that now. We were desperate for someone like Cross.

If we need to get guys like McVeigh then it just proves my point that Jones is treading water. We keep getting in these old blokes that are beyond their prime, and expect them to magically instil their Jedi wisdom on the youngins. You can't do that unless there's a changing of the guard because the very fact you're getting these guys in is an indictment on the current experienced leaders at the club like Jones and even Gawn, who have been there for century. Seriously, every club seems to be fine crafting its own leaders except us. We have to go begging to the Jedi council for a new Master every 12 months.

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I would keep Vince but only as back up.  Injuries permitting he should play 90% at Casey.  

I would be a yes to McVeigh, 1 year playing and 2 year asst coaching role.  Would be an absolute asset.  

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2 hours ago, praha said:

We're beyond that now. We were desperate for someone like Cross.

If we need to get guys like McVeigh then it just proves my point that Jones is treading water. We keep getting in these old blokes that are beyond their prime, and expect them to magically instil their Jedi wisdom on the youngins. You can't do that unless there's a changing of the guard because the very fact you're getting these guys in is an indictment on the current experienced leaders at the club like Jones and even Gawn, who have been there for century. Seriously, every club seems to be fine crafting its own leaders except us. We have to go begging to the Jedi council for a new Master every 12 months.

Jones and Viney are great leaders.  You're bashing Jones based on the last game of the season.  

Jones and Viney were massive in many games this year.  

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Tom Rockliff?

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2 hours ago, praha said:

We're beyond that now. We were desperate for someone like Cross.

If we need to get guys like McVeigh then it just proves my point that Jones is treading water. We keep getting in these old blokes that are beyond their prime, and expect them to magically instil their Jedi wisdom on the youngins. You can't do that unless there's a changing of the guard because the very fact you're getting these guys in is an indictment on the current experienced leaders at the club like Jones and even Gawn, who have been there for century. Seriously, every club seems to be fine crafting its own leaders except us. We have to go begging to the Jedi council for a new Master every 12 months.

Agreed.  If McVeigh has any footy left in him you would expect him to land at a club that felt it needed to fill a gap for a year or two to help the kids comes through - think Carlton, Gold Coast or Brisbane.  We don't fit that bill.