2017 Post Mortem

[layzie]

5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I would players and coaches to apologise to supporters!

Often when clubs put in shocking performances they apologise to their fans and supporters.  Has anyone heard an apology from our players/coaches in recent years?

As someone said in another thread, we buy memberships, merchandising, go to games stick with the club thru thick and thin and endure the humiliation directed at us. 

Well its time they new we existed and stop taking us for granted.

It would be nice if they took responsibility but does anyone at the club really give a toss how we're feeling? They're looking forward to a hard earned mad money!

[DeeZee]

They teased the [censored] out of us this year 

[ding]

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

Hopefully I wasn't confusing but I was agreeing with you. The difference between making it and not can be a real game changer for landing potential free agents. 

sorry bud im so pizzed off right now i cant see daylight for the sun.

Best i sign off for 6 months.

[64"]

[censored] Melbourne lm baracking for Casey.

[monoccular]

5 minutes ago, layzie said:

Hopefully I wasn't confusing but I was agreeing with you. The difference between making it and not can be a real game changer for landing potential free agents. 

Why, seriously, would any worthwhile free agent want to come to this soft teaser of a club.

There is just no soul, no leadership and definitely no pride, or commitment to the long suffering supporters. 

Get stuffed. 

Edited August 27, 2017 by monoccular

[Dappa Dan]

8 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Couldn't agree more, Dappa.

I think more will come to realise this in the coming few months when the anger fades a little.  The fact we were in a position to play finals, when you consider we had Hogan and Gawn out for long periods, had Jones and Viney also miss extensive time, had to throw around players in different positions to fill the gaps and also deal with (very silly) suspensions from others, means we had done very, very well to be in the positions we were in.

Doesn't excuse the fact that we should have made it from where we were, but the future still bodes very well.  You'll get smashed for your post, but it doesn't make it any less relevant.

Here's another interesting metric for you wise...

My brother is inconsolable today. He says we're improving too slowly. I tried to explain that it's all relative. You can only compare to the teams in the league... Noone that was at our level at round 1 is now "better" than us. And noone who was below us has gone past us... Port have been developing nicely for a few years with their core. GWS for longer than that. Richmond's mature players are all 5+ years in. Swans you could argue have jumped past us, but I see their usual superstars doing the heavy lifting. No Parker, Kennedy and Buddy and they're just another team. The dons is the only one that you might say went past us. They had a finals squad before the bans though, and have been given plenty of picks. Also, if they had half our injuries, we would have smoked them easily.

We're about where we should be. A final would have been nice learning... but next year we're in or there'll be hell to pay.

[david_neitz_is_my_dad]

3 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

tmac will enjoy driving his new mustang

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWcDpArn0wK/?taken-by=tommcdonald25

[layzie]

Just now, ding said:

sorry bud im so pizzed off right now i cant see daylight for the sun.

Best i sign off for 6 months.

All good! Just thought the way I wrote that was confusing.

Its gonna be bloody hard to see any sun from here. Gonna take one hell of a positive spin artist to snap me out of this that's for sure

[Die Hard Demon]

Just now, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWcDpArn0wK/?taken-by=tommcdonald25

lol i stand corrected .. a [censored] MERC! 

[Dee Zephyr]

27 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Pathetic weak efforts as always.

Each time we need to and should win we stuff it up completely. 

We need to look at all areas. Too often we keep on keeping on.

Goody needs to realisr that vince and Salem are not defenders.

Tmac either plays forward or they hammer him until he can kick a football.

Oliver must learn to handball a lot less.

Tyson needs to improve his kicking.

Viney should be made sole captain and the leadership group re vamped.

Hogan needs to show intensity more often and lead for the ball more often. 

And our game plan needs tp whole off 25% of our handballs.

That's a start. 

I'm inclined to agree on the Viney statement. Probably the only one that has punched holes in his walls tonight.

[Dee tention]

I will be dissappointed if the boys celebrate Mad Monday! 

They should be having an honesty session and a swim in the yarra tomorrow...

[Clintosaurus]

1 minute ago, Demon77 said:

I'm inclined to agree on the Viney statement. Probably the only one that has punched holes in his walls tonight.

And go for a run tomorrow. 

[Dee Dee Ramone]

I just want them to give us something to be proud of. 

 

[SaberFang]

1 minute ago, Demon77 said:

I'm inclined to agree on the Viney statement. Probably the only one that has punched holes in his walls tonight.

Shudder to think what the vibe is like in the Viney household tonight. I imagine Todd and Jack watched together.

Just yesterday he was fielding questions on 3AW about whether he'll play in the first final. [censored], he must be livid right now.

[monoccular]

4 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWcDpArn0wK/?taken-by=tommcdonald25

Pity Tom that you don't take as much pride in your club and give as much care to your supporters that you do to your car. 

PS start learning to kick, tomorrow. 

Edited August 27, 2017 by monoccular

[praha]

26 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

I'm not worried at all. Not even a little bit. I was shattered after the second Roos loss cos that was the proof we're on a hiding to nothing this year. I would have preferred to get a final into the kids, but that's negligible.

The big picture here is the core list. We need a KP defender in the off season, and we're getting one. Or at least doing everything we can to get one. Aside from that, the core is well and truly there. Our only pressing concerns in coming years will be replacing Vince, Jones and Jordie who will all age out. Aside from that we can only improve.

It'll fall on deaf ears, but we can't possibly go backwards next year. We were smashed by injury all year. And we were never going to win one in 2017 anyway, so this sad time on demonland would have come at some point in the next few weeks anyway.

All's well folks. We/re looking good.

The North loss was undoubtedly the key message. Once we lost that i just knew the season was shot.

I like to think it's a development phase and we'll break out of it, but it was the way we lost to North, GWS and Collingwood that has me worried, combined with the Brisbane performance. It was almost too familiar to matches in the later Bailey years. That's what worries me.

I hate to say it, but our "rebuild" still involves kicking out perennial losers. I'm not naming names because I've said them enough on here. We are still in flux and will stay in neutral until we make big decisions on club favourites.

 

Edited August 27, 2017 by praha

[deebug]

4 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWcDpArn0wK/?taken-by=tommcdonald25

That's not a mustang.

[ding]

Just now, Clintosaurus said:

And go for a run tomorrow. 

100 x 100's

If they all get pizzed i hope they have a hangover that lasts their entire break.

HURT YOU BASTARDS

[layzie]

2 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Why, seriously, would any worthwhile free agent want to come to this soft teaser of a club.

There is just no soul, no leadership and definitely no pride, or commitment to the long suffering supporters. 

Get stuffed. 

Well that's actually a good question. Why should anyone want to come to this club? What is actually setting us apart? Yeah we've got upside and a couple of good youngsters. Everyone does! 

They need to ask themself, what is the appeal to come over instead of teams around us like Collingwood, St Kilda, Essendon, whoever.

F*** it

[deebug]

2 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

And go for a run tomorrow. 

Love ya Vines 

[Pates]

This hurts. More than any other year of watching other teams in the finals this hurts. I don't think I'll be able to bring myself to watch any of it. 

The idea that Essendrug are in there, West Coast who are the biggest flat track bullies, that had we actually beaten the bottom team properly when we were 32pts up, that had we actually done the job when everything was on the line this week, we could/should be in there instead. 

We've improved, but we're still a laughing stock. 

[Jerry Lundergard]

I think it's a bit unreasonable to suggest the boys shouldn't be allowed their Mad Monday.....but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that every TV in the pub should have the North x2, Freo, yesterday's Pies game and the last 10mins of the Lions game playing on loop while they get on it.

[david_neitz_is_my_dad]

Jack Viney admitted on gameday he wont watch the WCE vs Crows game live because he will break things. He already knew....

[jnrmac]

Failed Season. Kick 3 pts more and allow 1 less goal we play finals. that simple.

3 tackles in the first 20 mins and 7 marks in Coll's fwd 50 in the first qtr broke our season.

The players that represented the team yesterday have failed the club, themselves and the supporters. We need to get rid of players that continually fail to stand up when counted.

I barrack for the club. Not the players. Fork em. The players will come and go but I will always barrack for our club.

 

[Wiseblood]

2 minutes ago, praha said:

The North loss was undoubtedly the key message. Once we lost that i just knew the season was shot.

I like to think it's a development phase and we'll break out of it, but it was the way we lost to North, GWS and Collingwood that has me worried, combined with the Brisbane performance. It was almost too familiar to matches in the later Bailey years. That's what worries me.

I hate to say it, but our "rebuild" still involves kicking out perennial losers. I'm not naming names because I've said them enough on here. We are still in flux and will stay in neutral until we make big decisions on club favourites.

It's time to move on from the Jones and Watts era. They need to go.

We certainly made it very hard for ourselves.

Is it totally down to leadership?  Did Goodwin not have a Plan B outside of moving players around, so when the conditions/momentum changed we didn't have something else to fall back on?  Are we not preparing in the right manner?

So many questions, and hopefully we can find a few answers over the summer.  We do need to be ruthless without going over the top in the trade period, and Goodwin needs to sit down and reassess the game plan, as clubs had it covered in the second half of the year.