Trac should never leave the midfield, unless it is to go use the bathroom he’s that good a player. 

8 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Trac should never leave the midfield, unless it is to go use the bathroom he’s that good a player. 

Amazing how people suggest taking one of the best midfielders in the game, OUT of the midfield 

11 minutes ago, adonski said:

Amazing how people suggest taking one of the best midfielders in the game, OUT of the midfield 

Dustin Martin says hello 

18 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Trac should never leave the midfield, unless it is to go use the bathroom he’s that good a player. 

 

9 minutes ago, adonski said:

Amazing how people suggest taking one of the best midfielders in the game, OUT of the midfield 

The best midfielder and the best player in the game who just won his 3rd Norm Smith spends a whole lot of time out of the midfield.

Why - because Dusty doesn't have a great tank (same as Tracc) and his best value is creating or kicking goals as well as playing high game time.

Tracc should play the same role. Start in the midfield for a high number of centre clearances then rotate forward calling his own changes with a half forward - Harmes, Sparrow, Viney whoever. If he gets a good match up he can go deeper and exploit the one on one, if he doesn't he can rest around half forward when the ball is down back then rotate back in.

If he's just going to play as a pure mid he'll play 75% game time and spend a lot of it at backline stoppages. If he plays the Dusty role he can play 90% game time and hit the scoreboard far more often.

1 minute ago, Demons11 said:

Dustin Martin says hello 

Yep, the Richmond ethos - know your role, accept your role, play your role. Dustin goes forward, kicks match winning goals and the Tigers win flags.  He might not get as many Brownlow votes but his team keeps winning.  I'm sure Tracc has no problem playing forward if it helps the team succeed.

May have been said already, but this is good news for us getting Brown now.

1 hour ago, Fat Tony said:

While I still have reservations about the impact on our forward pressure, one of the possible advantages of recruiting Ben Brown may be the potential ability to play him as a third ruck option if Gawn and Jackson both get injured (at least for centre bounces). With Preuss departing, it means we don't really have to carry ruck insurance and so more of our salary cap is in our best 22.

It also could be interesting how we can set up in a defensive zone with Gawn, Brown and Jackson behind the ball. This could be a bit of a nightmare for the opposition if we can get them to kick down the line.

The other thing I was thinking is that AVB could play a key role if we go with Brown, Weideman, Jackson and Fritsch, because we are going to need someone who tackles like a mad man.

Vanders isn't a forward and certainly not a forward pressure player. He can't change direction after all his foot problems. Almost all his tackling in the midfield comes when he can line someone up and nail them.

Depth midfielder who can play inside/outside is his best role.

If we go with 3 talls and then I assume a couple of smalls it does leave us searching for that mid sized guy who can pressure and also make aerial contests when requires. Kosi does play taller than his height but he's starting on a big disadvantage. Bolton and Castagna for the Tigers can always fly and force a contest when needed. We need athletic and competitive small-mid sizers, we certainly can't play both Fritsch and Melk with their lack of pressure.

17 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

The best midfielder and the best player in the game who just won his 3rd Norm Smith spends a whole lot of time out of the midfield.

Why - because Dusty doesn't have a great tank (same as Tracc) and his best value is creating or kicking goals as well as playing high game time.

Tracc should play the same role. Start in the midfield for a high number of centre clearances then rotate forward calling his own changes with a half forward - Harmes, Sparrow, Viney whoever. If he gets a good match up he can go deeper and exploit the one on one, if he doesn't he can rest around half forward when the ball is down back then rotate back in.

If he's just going to play as a pure mid he'll play 75% game time and spend a lot of it at backline stoppages. If he plays the Dusty role he can play 90% game time and hit the scoreboard far more often.

100%. Players like Dusty, Trac, Cripps and even Danger, Bont and Fyfe are amazing in the contested work but don't have a big advantage when the ball gets into the open. The key is to maximise the number of contests they get to and minimising the energy they expend to get there. Playing forward also maximises the gain from winning contests.

8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Vanders isn't a forward and certainly not a forward pressure player. He can't change direction after all his foot problems. Almost all his tackling in the midfield comes when he can line someone up and nail them.

Depth midfielder who can play inside/outside is his best role.

If we go with 3 talls and then I assume a couple of smalls it does leave us searching for that mid sized guy who can pressure and also make aerial contests when requires. Kosi does play taller than his height but he's starting on a big disadvantage. Bolton and Castagna for the Tigers can always fly and force a contest when needed. We need athletic and competitive small-mid sizers, we certainly can't play both Fritsch and Melk with their lack of pressure.

Agree with Bolton and Castagna being the type of player we should go for. (Not easy to find.) AVB has played forward a lot for us and I still think he is still the best pressure player we currently have. He only really gets a game because of his intensity and tackling.

11 hours ago, 58er said:

Seriously AF and Demon Disciple how long do you think Jacko will take to develop as a regular Ists player? 
A number of years. 

Thats not accurate as he will develop next season as a Ruck support for Max and as a floating forward around the Forward line.

I have no doubt he will earn his place next season due to his talent competitiveness and determination to succeed.

He will learn as he plays and may need a couple of rest days or to be managed but full steam ahead and with Brown  and Weid Providing greater support fir each other our Forward line should function  much better also with Kossie Fritta and others 
 

 

I reckon by the end of next year with another year of development, he’ll fly by many. I also believe he will overtake Weid before 2022.

RE: Petracca mid v forward - it's an interesting one.

Although Petracca's ball use resulted in scoring assists more often than Oliver, Petracca still has a lot of work to do on his defensive game.

IMV, Petracca is a liability at centre stoppages if we don't get first use. He's a lot better around the ground though where we can crowd the stoppage more and offset his defensive work with others.

This is not to say Petracca can't improve, but Oliver is a far superior defensive player IMO. This is Petracca's next step. If he is going to be the most rounded player he can be, then getting better in these situations will make him the complete player.

As for Oliver, he needs to back himself more out of stoppage and when he has an opportunity to kick a goal, kick through the ball like he is perfectly capable of doing.

I find this frustrating because Petracca and Oliver both have areas of their game that they could improve, but only Oliver seems to be held to a different account.

I'd be playing Petracca 60-40 forward-mid.

Edited October 26, 20204 yr by A F

Is there any word on the length of the contract we are likely to offer Ben Brown.

Thanks

4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Is there any word on the length of the contract we are likely to offer Ben Brown.

Thanks

I think the word has been 4... we can’t offer big money so instead are offering security.

38 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Agree with Bolton and Castagna being the type of player we should go for. (Not easy to find.) AVB has played forward a lot for us and I still think he is still the best pressure player we currently have. He only really gets a game because of his intensity and tackling.

He played as a forward for the first game and a half this season and looked completely lost and didn't provide much pressure, he then went to the wing after half time against the Tigers where his pressure and tackling at stoppages became an important part of our midfield. He's as good a tackler as there is when he's on a wing and can hunt in on a victim, the forward pressure has the ball pinging around and needs lots of quick changes of direction and he doesn't have that agility or reading of the play.

16 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Is there any word on the length of the contract we are likely to offer Ben Brown.

Thanks

The 'Rumour' thread a reference to 5 years - bit long imv given his age and unless there were conditions re injury or other triggers.

14 minutes ago, Mayday said:

I think the word has been 4... we can’t offer big money so instead are offering security.

I'd be happy with that length assuming the medicos are happy with his body.

If it's five as LH posted I'd start to have some concern

 

Edited October 26, 20204 yr by Diamond_Jim

has anything been 100% confirmed yet ?  

 

Now the St Kilda are probably out of the race, it would be interesting to see who else is in the market.

I've heard Essendon could be in the race and possibly Collingwood but I doubt they'll get him if Miocheck costs them a fair bit.

5 years is silly. 2 years too many.

26 minutes ago, markc said:

has anything been 100% confirmed yet ?  

 

 

No.    So far just wishful thinking.

2 minutes ago, dl4e said:

5 years is silly. 2 years too many.

Agree. I would think 3years plus option of a 4th year based on fitness/Goals/number of games played etc. A flat 5 years is a stretch for a bloke they dropped twice and was injured. Save the $$$ and 5-year deals for the Gun free agents where necessary or for existing guns Trac, Viney, Oliver, May etc. 

Longer contracts are the new bigger dollar contracts. In an incredibly difficult time, players want security of years.

46 minutes ago, markc said:

has anything been 100% confirmed yet ?

That would spoil all the speculative fun, mark!

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Is there any word on the length of the contract we are likely to offer Ben Brown.

Thanks

4 years. which i think is fine, backing Brown to still be a good player at 32 

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Now the St Kilda are probably out of the race, it would be interesting to see who else is in the market.

I've heard Essendon could be in the race and possibly Collingwood but I doubt they'll get him if Miocheck costs them a fair bit.

Freo's the one that's been mentioned. I think Essendon will look to get younger talls in.

Collingwood probably have to keep both Mihocek and DeGoey (and Daicos, Moore etc).

If Sydney lose Aliir then all of a sudden McCartin is looking far more likely down back, Blakey looks more like a mid/forward and they are going in to a season when they've done a lot of heavy lifting rebuilding with only Reid and the ghost of Buddy.