Post Match Discussion - Round 17

[layzie 33,753]

First shot at goal, he needs to dob that. Plain and simple 

[jnrmac 20,055]

11 minutes ago, Demon4Life said:

I liked Kent's run and intensity tonight and thought it was his best game this year

Bwah ah haha hahahah

[DemonWA 3,932]

The result i expected before the match, but dared to dream at 3/4 time. Last quarter disappointing. 

 

Bring on next week

[McQueen 17,864]

Nothing much worked tonight but I thought our offensive plays were particularly erratic and easily defended by the Crows.

I reckon Gawn put it down the throats of more Crows players than our boys and they worked it out of congestion so efficiently whereas we just hand balled the absolute bejesus out of it until it was turned over.

Hogan looked more likely in the second half but gee whiz I hope he finds form next week. Otherwise put Petracca back at FF.

[Guest]

Not surprised.

We can beat Carlton with that midfield. We aren't beating the Crows.

With Dom and two of the Jacks potentially back, we will be in better shape. Hopefully Salo will be back soon but from memory he has three weeks out still.

The best we could do after all those injuries is win what we could and hope to stem the bleeding against the better teams. I think we have done that.

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

42 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Too many passengers dropping marks and fumbling the ball. They were so much cleaner, particularly around the stoppages. We couldn't keep our feet and went to ground in around 75% of contests.

We didn't run and I lost count of the times we bombed it to our fwd line with 1 on 3. Dumb football.

OMac was again a liability, He simply has no urgency or hunger to get to the ball or kill it. Gets outbodied way too easily.

Kent was useless and won't be missed. Trade bait.

Frost had a mare, Pederson did very little, Max was outclassed again, Bernie and Lewis have dropped way off the pace, Harmes was unsighted, Hogan is fast becoming very frustrating and Garlett is back to his old ways of getting too tricky and forgetting fundamental footy.

ANB was poor, Smith tried but was very fumbly and Hannan showed glimpses.

A dirty night and surprised we we even close at 3/4 time.

Highlight ofthe might was Jayden's 65m barrel for a goal after the 3/4 time siren. Thought that would be the catalyst for a revival.

We could have stolen this one but in the end we copped a percentage pasting.

I'm going to bed.

To those watching tonight - is this total wrist slashing, or is there some truth here?  Seems hugely negative for a game we were still in at 3/4 time.

Cheers to all those who gave the feedback as well, much appreciated.  Sounds like we just lacked the cattle and the composure at key moments to stay in the game.  Lots of players to return and we get another crack next week on our home deck.  Nothing to get ourselves down about.

[DaveyJones'sLocker 647]

Kents days are done I think , I was a fan but he's exhausted his excuses.

was impressed we still won the i50 count even tho we butchered it.

Im no longer confident we make finals and it's a shame injuries are partly to blame.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

With our injuries it was always going to be tough, I'm still concerned more about the little things such as tackling, spoiling, picking up the ball and of course getting back behind the mark.

[Diamond_Jim 12,551]

21 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

To those watching tonight - is this total wrist slashing, or is there some truth here?  Seems hugely negative for a game we were still in at 3/4 time.

Cheers to all those who gave the feedback as well, much appreciated.  Sounds like we just lacked the cattle and the composure at key moments to stay in the game.  Lots of players to return and we get another crack next week on our home deck.  Nothing to get ourselves down about.

Oh come on... it was bad... admit it ,,, come on you can do it for once

[Skuit 10,031]

12 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

To those watching tonight - is this total wrist slashing, or is there some truth here?  Seems hugely negative for a game we were still in at 3/4 time.

Cheers to all those who gave the feedback as well, much appreciated.  Sounds like we just lacked the cattle and the composure at key moments to stay in the game.  Lots of players to return and we get another crack next week on our home deck.  Nothing to get ourselves down about.

Thought ANB was good. Is starting to believe, and was our best link-man through the middle. Lewis had a decent game, more intent to impact. Bernie shut down Sloan. Harmes tried. And the Garlett call is nonsense. We know he lacks touch in heavy conditions, but it's not a matter of show-boating. The loss also wasn't down to a lack of running. Suit up again next week.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Oh come on... it was bad... admit it ,,, come on you can do it for once

I asked the question earlier and got some very reasoned responses, and just wanted to know if that post was more reflective of the game than the other ones.  First time all year I've missed a game and it's interesting seeing how much the posts conflict with each other.

[The heart beats true 18,110]

We looked tired and very undisciplined with the ball. Really played with very little structure or plan, and their transition from d50 absolutely slaughtered us. I didn't think we really solved this from a coaching perspective all night - which is very unlike us this year. I'd say players didn't execute more then coaches didn't address it as it was very obvious.

We miss our 2 best clearance players (Jones and Viney) and our 2 best ball users that can pick through a zone (Salem and Watts).

Positives - ANB is going to make it. He's a smart footballer and is a team player.

JKH had some moments.

Oscar is growing in confidence and reminds me of his brother 4 years ago. He's on the right path.

Hunty looks back to his dashing self.

Jesse, honestly looks depressed. I feel for the guy immensely. He kept working at it though and I do think that when it comes together for him it's going to help him a lot. The poor guy needs to have some fun on the field and see that life can be great for him. I don't think I've ever wanted to see a player smile as much as I do for Jess right now.

Wasnt our night and we looked flat. Need some fresh players back. Kent and Bernie (will get 2 weeks again) will go for Watts and Tys.

 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Really didn't expect JKH to lift like he did. Also saw some good signs, if only sparingly, from guys who need more time or some form, like Hogan, Gawn, Melksham... Even Kent had his moments.

While we might get Watts and Tyson back next week, we still have to cover Viney, Salem and Jones. They're the ones we miss. The Lesser lights have to give us a lot of push to get over Port. It can be done, and I think we match up better against them than we do Crows.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

Best we move on quickly.

I feel a little better now after listening to Goodwin after match. Watts and Tyson will play next week,  both could have played tonight apparently.

Viney ran well today and is a strong chance next week.

Hope it helps.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

1 minute ago, Demon77 said:

Best we move on quickly.

I feel a little better now after listening to Goodwin after match. Watts and Tyson will play next week,  both could have played tonight apparently.

Viney ran well today and is a strong chance next week.

Hope it helps.

Had a feeling they could have. Heart says: right call, save them, we have bigger badder games coming up. Head says: Is it a good idea to hold players back? man we could have used them tonight. Particularly Watts.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

2 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Had a feeling they could have. Heart says: right call, save them, we have bigger badder games coming up. Head says: Is it a good idea to hold players back? man we could have used them tonight. Particularly Watts.

Probably a good decision to hold them back and I agree with you on Watts. His footskills and lowering of the eyes were much needed.

[hardtack 10,517]

2 hours ago, Diamond said:

He kicked into the man on the mark. As usual.

So you're the guy who makes sows ears out of silk purses? Good job!

[layzie 33,753]

No need to throw them into that heat. Bring em in next week fresh as daisies 

[RalphiusMaximus 6,026]

One thing I really want to know.  Will Riley Knight be the first player suspended for staging? 

[olisik 4,060]

Doubt we had one tall who won their position tonight. Our talls got absolutely slaughtered across the ground. 

They all need to lift.

[Dee-licious 1,949]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

To those watching tonight - is this total wrist slashing, or is there some truth here?  Seems hugely negative for a game we were still in at 3/4 time.

Cheers to all those who gave the feedback as well, much appreciated.  Sounds like we just lacked the cattle and the composure at key moments to stay in the game.  Lots of players to return and we get another crack next week on our home deck.  Nothing to get ourselves down about.

@Wiseblood - what s/he didnt say is that Oscar got his mitt on 4 balls on the line that would have been goals. He was a goal keeper tonight and would have been a lot worse if he wasnt back there. 

We bombed it in a lot to the forwardline which was our issue. 

Kent had another down day. Some good pressure work but looks a shell of last yer. 

Frost had a terrible last quarter which undid a lot of his good work. Pedo he was right on and Max looks like he is short of a gallop. Again the opp targeted him off the ball and one time Jacobs took an uncontested mark as Max was 10 metres away on the ground with 2 crows standing over him. 

Hogan was an almost game. If the umps were on his side, he would have been paid another 3 marks which probably would have given him confidence to take another 3 he dropped easily. Garlett tried a few things that didnt work, but we get that. 

ANB wasn't poor - he was a key cog and looks like one of the only players who have grown whilst our leaders are out. 

Hope that helps. 

[Dee-licious 1,949]

Disappointed we lost and understand that it is always hard missing so many players. 

Adelaide were missing Milera, Ellis-Yolman, and Hampton from best 22.

Dees were missing Tyson, Viney, Jones, Watts, Salem, Brayshaw, and Bugg(?) (Vanders?) from ours. 

Average age of the sides 24, 7 months to 25 and 7 months. 

Games difference 75.3 to 102.3 (16 under 100 (11 under 50) v 12 under 100 (6 under 5). 

To put this in perspective, 'playing the kids' North had 12 under 100 (9 under 50); Dockers 12 (10 under 50 and younger than us); Carlton 16 (10 under 50, older than us). 

We put out the 2nd most inexperienced side (after Bris) and third youngest (Bris and Freo) in the league this week. 

Things aren't that bad.......

[dee-tox 4,835]

My take: 

Dirty nights for talls, Hogan, Gawn, Frost, Pedo, TMac.

Skill errors cost us big time. Counted at least five easy misses for goal. Jeffy x 3, Hogan, Kent.

Out muscled in first quarter. Adelaide looked much, much stronger. Also lost every centre bounce. Gawn is a worry with this at the moment.

Streaming into F50 you can't just bomb away. Surely there is a plan?

JKH looked OK after horror start. Threw himself into tackles which is a good sign. Decent field kick.

 

[What 18,810]

Thats four 6 day breaks in 5 matches, including trips to Perth and Darwin.

If we had a fair fixture we'd be on top of the ladder.

[rjay 24,889]

2 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Gawn is a worry with this at the moment.

Haven't seen the game but observations from afar.

If we didn't have the injury list we have and if we had a decent back up ruck option then...

Gawn would be given some time at Casey to get some match fitness and form under his belt.

Same with Hogan.

...and ditto for Smith.

We don't have a player in the team that can come back/is good enough to deserve a spot straight up or near enough to after missing the amount of footy these guys have.

If we want to run 3 of them back into form at AFL level at the same time (or if we don't have other options) then expect the results we've been getting...Carton was 4 points and that's about all it was. The last month has been poor.

Kent shouldn't be playing senior footy.

Watts must be close, Salem maybe another week, Viney a few off, Jones the same and Tyson the mystery.

...so out of the missing with injury we could probably only expect to see Watts back in.

To sum up, we're carrying 3 guys not ready to resume AFL footy after a long layoff...lets hope they come up better next week because at the moment we are 3 down.

The injured players are keys, 3 of our top 4 mids is a big whole in the team and add to that our best forward (Watts) and 2 best kicks (Watts & Salem) then you have issues.

The 4x6 day breaks have also hurt...

Otherwise, lets all go into meltdown.