Changes v Carlton

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6 hours ago, Courtney_Fish said:

Guys, we won 4 in a row in few days with many out. We've lost some more. Now's not the time for unforced changes. Stop ranting & keep your cool.

Exactly. Not at panic stations at all. We've been ravaged by injuries and 4 games in 18 days. Last nights performance is entirely understandable and we just need to weather the storm.

JKH to come in and play the same role he's been playing at Casey. If Tyson doesn't come up, ANB to spend more time in the middle, Hunt to go back and one of the small forwards to come in - either Kennedy or Johnstone.

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I know I'll probably regret saying this but thank god we've got Carlton next week.

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An extract from a posting on the MFC site

Reading between the lines it is not looking good. Even Hoges is not a lock for next week.

COACH Simon Goodwin says it’s too early to tell how serious co-captain Jack Viney’s foot injury is, which he injured against the Sydney Swans at the MCG on Friday night.

The courageous Viney was unable to play out the game and it remains to be seen how much football he will miss.

“He’s got some plantar fasciitis. Whether it’s a tear or a partial tear – we’ll just get that assessed,” Goodwin said after his side’s 35-point loss.

“It’s not looking great for him. We’ll get a clearer picture when our medical team have a really good look at him and he has scans.

“We’ll just have to wait and see. It’s disappointing again to lose another player, but once again that creates opportunity for others.”

But Goodwin said key forward Jesse Hogan trained “really strongly” on Friday and was not out of the picture for Melbourne’s next match against Carlton at the MCG on Sunday, July 9.  

“He’s getting closer and closer and he’ll have to do a really strong week of training this week and we’ll assess him as we go,” he said.

“If it’s not next week, it’ll definitely be the week after [against the Adelaide Crows in Darwin], but we’re hopeful he’ll get through the rest of next week.”

Goodwin said goalsneak Jeff Garlett was “close” for next round and tall Jack Watts was a “chance”.

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Mitch White Well I got it wrong with Mitch White gee he turned it over time and again, Unfortunately not up to it. Billy Stretch, failed to go when it was his turn at one stage last night and had no presence whatsoever a boy in a mans game Jack Viney Plantar Facia problems Gee Sorry all, but they have a problem of lingering ( It could be a two month layoff if severe enough) Bugg probably out 4-6 Wagner see White  ANB ? Been saying it for a while not up to it

So  5 outs! Not unreasonable given my evaluation Inns  Hogan, Watts, Ben Ken, Weeds and maybe just maybe Trengove! Garlett will also be in if fit!

 

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Would like to see Casey D.. outcome first.Great if Smith players a blinder,JKH and Maynard do well.

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9 hours ago, Jaded said:

I'm so worried about Viney and Tyson. 

We need some luck and that Viney injury is not often associated with good luck. 

 

My MFCCS says don't expect Viney back this year. 

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5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Mitch White Well I got it wrong with Mitch White gee he turned it over time and again, Unfortunately not up to it. Billy Stretch, failed to go when it was his turn at one stage last night and had no presence whatsoever a boy in a mans game Jack Viney Plantar Facia problems Gee Sorry all, but they have a problem of lingering ( It could be a two month layoff if severe enough) Bugg probably out 4-6 Wagner see White  ANB ? Been saying it for a while not up to it

So  5 outs! Not unreasonable given my evaluation Inns  Hogan, Watts, Ben Ken, Weeds and maybe just maybe Trengove! Garlett will also be in if fit!

 

Its saying a lot to me that Billy Stretch was my biggest disappointment last night. He is somewhat seasoned compared to Wagner and White, has not played 4 in 18, went back to work on his contested game. Was found wanting in at least 3 contests one where he put in very short steps. If you are going to be just outside you need to get buckets of ball or be damaging which he was so far off either.  

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2 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Its saying a lot to me that Billy Stretch was my biggest disappointment last night. He is somewhat seasoned compared to Wagner and White, has not played 4 in 18, went back to work on his contested game. Was found wanting in at least 3 contests one where he put in very short steps. If you are going to be just outside you need to get buckets of ball or be damaging which he was so far off either.  

Yep agree can't take the outside short steps road in this game!

Also think Viney might be done if injury is as bad as it can be Plantar Fascia injuries can be very long healers.

Edited June 30, 2017 by picket fence

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Jetta tmcd frost

Lewis omcd hibberd

hunt  Trengove Melksham

petracca  hogan  Kent

Hannan Watts (weed) Garlett

Gawn  Tyson oliver 

harmes  JKH  vince  Anb

emerg  Kennedy  spencer  stretch

Ins  hogan Garlett Trengove watts(weed) kent  jkh

Out Viney bugg White Wagner stretch pedersen 

[_becks_ 35]

Out: Viney, Bugg, White, Harmes

In: Hogan, Garlett, Kennedy, Kent

I have Maynard at Casey and he can find the ball - his disposal needs cleaning up though. But he is a inside mid, he might get a game if Tyson goes out. 

 

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White and Wagner showed the gulf between "knocking the door down" at Casey and a highly pressurised AFL game when you have much less time to think and execute, and less margin for error within those executions.

White has looked a class above in the VFL, so I'm not critical of the selection, but he was overawed.  I reckon they'll give him at least another game in Salem's absence, because it takes time to get used to the speed and tempo of AFL footy.  Wagner has already shown that he can play well at the level, so it was disappointing he couldn't step up on the night. 

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11 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

My MFCCS says don't expect Viney back this year. 

If we make finals I would like to see who is brave enough to stand between him and the gate at the end of the race  

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The worst thing we can do this week is to have five or six outs and replace them with Casey players.

Garlett in for Bugg

Hogan in for Harmes

JKH in for Viney

And from the under-performing players one more out for anyone who plays well at Casey

BTW Wagner may have butchered the ball but he got the ball as did White. In the case of White his reputation at Casey is for good disposal so perhaps he deserves another go.

If we pick Trenners his disposal will be better but will he have time and space to make that disposal

 

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5 minutes ago, ProDee said:

White and Wagner showed the gulf between "knocking the door down" at Casey and a highly pressurised AFL game when you have much less time to think and execute, and less margin for error within those executions.

White has looked a class above in the VFL, so I'm not critical of the selection, but he was overawed.  I reckon they'll give him at least another game in Salem's absence, because it takes time to get used to the speed and tempo of AFL footy.  Wagner has already shown that he can play well at the level, so it was disappointing he couldn't step up on the night. 

Wagner's disposal has been appalling all year. His turnovers kill us!

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7 minutes ago, ProDee said:

White and Wagner showed the gulf between "knocking the door down" at Casey and a highly pressurised AFL game when you have much less time to think and execute, and less margin for error within those executions.

White has looked a class above in the VFL, so I'm not critical of the selection, but he was overawed.  I reckon they'll give him at least another game in Salem's absence, because it takes time to get used to the speed and tempo of AFL footy.  Wagner has already shown that he can play well at the level, so it was disappointing he couldn't step up on the night. 

Nail on head!

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I will do this on the assumption that Viney and Bugg are the only forced outs and those at Casey duplicate their form of last week. 

In: Hogan, Garlett, JKH, Kennedy

Out: Bugg, White, Viney, Stretch

 

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10 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Meanwhile there was a passage of play in which Wagner dropped an uncontested mark, picked the ball up and turned it over by foot, then on the rebound didn't chase hard enough.

I was furious with Wagner's game because he can do better.

Wagner gave it up time and time again. He and White continually turned it over.Bugg punching Mills was a dumb undisciplined act especially after Houli got 4. Pederson looked cooked. That's 4 outs. I hope Goodwin makes them accountable and not gift them another game 2 redeem themselves.

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8 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Wagner's disposal has been appalling all year. His turnovers kill us!

He looks good but he keeps kicking it 2 the opposition, which really hurts us.

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33 minutes ago, ProDee said:

White and Wagner showed the gulf between "knocking the door down" at Casey and a highly pressurised AFL game when you have much less time to think and execute, and less margin for error within those executions.

White has looked a class above in the VFL, so I'm not critical of the selection, but he was overawed.  I reckon they'll give him at least another game in Salem's absence, because it takes time to get used to the speed and tempo of AFL footy.  Wagner has already shown that he can play well at the level, so it was disappointing he couldn't step up on the night. 

So was JKH and he had 3 chances.

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2 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

So was JKH and he had 3 chances.

I have no clue as to your point, but that's not uncommon round these parts.

 

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2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I have no clue as to your point, but that's not uncommon round these parts.

 

Never pass up a chance to 'lay the elbows in' PD.

JKH's VFL form has been great since he last played in the seniors, and this may be  due to the role he's now playing, and could come in and play against Carlton. Especially if both Viney and Tyson are out.

In response to the original comment, it doesn't matter that he's been dropped 3 times. Form now warrants selection again.

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5 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I have no clue as to your point, but that's not uncommon round these parts.

 

Neither did I when I reread it to be honest.

So I guess I was thinking do we give JKH another chance and if so perhaps Wagner?

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8 minutes ago, Luther said:

Never pass up a chance to 'lay the elbows in' PD.

JKH's VFL form has been great since he last played in the seniors, and this may be  due to the role he's now playing, and could come in and play against Carlton. Especially if both Viney and Tyson are out.

In response to the original comment, it doesn't matter that he's been dropped 3 times. Form now warrants selection again.

You're better off reading the post after yours.  You know, from the poster I was actually quoting.

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7 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Neither did I when I reread it to be honest.

So I guess I was thinking do we give JKH another chance and if so perhaps Wagner?

It won't be at Wagner's expense as Kennedy-Harris has been playing midfield.

I'm not averse to having Kennedy-Harris back in the team, but as a mid.  He's proved he's not an AFL standard forward.

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It seems like the old saying of shuffling deck chairs on the titantic. I wouldn't mind Trenners replacing White.  Got a feeling they wont play him though as the club is looking forward. Hope Im wrong. Even if Hogan comes back in, he'll be rustier than Max.