Changes v Richmond R5

[Demon3 2,541]

Oscar and JKH will play i reckon along with Hogan.. i dont expect to see Pedo in the team..

[dazzledavey36 55,990]

30 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Oscar and JKH will play i reckon along with Hogan.. i dont expect to see Pedo in the team..

Is that a hunch or from yoir source?

You have been known to be spot on with most things before it comes out in the media.

[Demon3 2,541]

44 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Is that a hunch or from yoir source?

You have been known to be spot on with most things before it comes out in the media.

yeah from a source. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 hour ago, Demon3 said:

Oscar and JKH will play i reckon along with Hogan.. i dont expect to see Pedo in the team..

Whilst Frost is hardly streets ahead of Oscar as a key defender, he possesses speed and agility which at this stage we need - especially against a nippy Richmond forward line. 

Frost made no more mistakes than Oscar has over the first three rounds. I question whether either will cut it as an AFL quality key defender over time. But time is on their side and we have no one else at present.

Regardless, I'll be shocked if Oscar comes in for Frost this week. Unless there's an injury, it simply doesn't make sense. 

Edited April 19, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[Deemented Are Go! 3,704]

1 hour ago, Demon3 said:

Oscar and JKH will play i reckon along with Hogan.. i dont expect to see Pedo in the team..

Who's out? And JKH? I haven;t heard anything about him recently..

[What 18,810]

13 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

Who's out? And JKH? I haven;t heard anything about him recently..

Didnt do much for Casey on the weekend.  Would be shocked if he was called up to play Richmond.

 

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,355]

5 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Didnt do much for Casey on the weekend.  Would be shocked if he was called up to play Richmond.

 

I guess it's possible that some players can play better at AFL level than VFL, and perhaps they think that JKH fits into that category.

[What 18,810]

1 minute ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I guess it's possible that some players can play better at AFL level than VFL, and perhaps they think that JKH fits into that category.

Yes thats true...  I actually like JKH and wouldn't be against him coming in.. perhaps there is a specific matchup Goodwin sees for him.

[WA Demon13 39]

For what its worth I can see Hibbard , Hogan & Pedo being the inclusions this week.

 

 

[Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735]

2 hours ago, Demon3 said:

Oscar and JKH will play i reckon along with Hogan.. i dont expect to see Pedo in the team..

Frost takes Dustin Martin I'd have thought? Only one with the size, strength and speed to match Dusty. 

I'm guessing Oscar probably comes in to play on Elton or Griffiths?

[Gator 18,013]

10 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

We have a horror month's draw after Queens Birthday so if we're any chance of making finals, we need to be 7-4, which allows us the luxury of dropping 7 games on the way home (as long as we have a decent %)

Horror draw ?  There's hardly a decent side in the AFL and certainly no-one I fear.

We may lose to Adelaide in Adelaide, but I put them in the category of winnable games.

There's not a side I don't think we can beat on our day. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

8 minutes ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

Frost takes Dustin Martin I'd have thought? Only one with the size, strength and speed to match Dusty. 

I'm guessing Oscar probably comes in to play on Elton or Griffiths?

It'll be Elton or Griffiths. Not both.

Richmond rely on their three mosquitoes in Rioli, Butler and Castagna to make turnovers in their forward-half. It's the reason they're unbeaten. 

Playing Oscar wouldn't be advisable against them. Not at all.

Edited April 19, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[WA Demon13 39]

I dont understand how Oscar comes into contention ? Was dropped for poor form and 17 touches in the 2nds hardly seems to warrant an instant recall.  Frost is the better option IMO.

[Gator 18,013]

Just now, WA Demon13 said:

I dont understand how Oscar comes into contention ? Was dropped for poor form and 17 touches in the 2nds hardly seems to warrant an instant recall.  Frost is the better option IMO.

Firstly, 17 disposals for a key defender is very good, and secondly, how he defended and played his role would be of far more interest to the coaching group than his disposal tally.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

44 minutes ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

Frost takes Dustin Martin I'd have thought? Only one with the size, strength and speed to match Dusty. 

Oh god I hope not. Frost has some weapons, but smarts isn't one of them. Dusty will kick 6 if he gets him. I can't think of one guy that can go with him one on one. Whatever double team he gets, Vince should be one of them. High footy IQ required.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,072]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Whilst Frost is hardly streets ahead of Oscar as a key defender, he possesses speed and agility which at this stage we need - especially against a nippy Richmond forward line. 

Frost made no more mistakes than Oscar has over the first three rounds. I question whether either will cut it as an AFL quality key defender over time. But time is on their side and we have no one else at present.

Regardless, I'll be shocked if Oscar comes in for Frost this week. Unless there's an injury, it simply doesn't make sense. 

Has Oscar ever played as a forward? Would it be possible that he could be picked to replace Weideman as the "second" tall forward, leaving Watts to be the third-cum-ruckman? Hogan, of course, as the "first". I realise it requires another forward to go, but that could be Hannan or Harmes going to the backline (perhaps to replace Melksham).

Of course, if Oscar has never played as a forward, I can't see it happening now. If that were the plan, I'd expect him to be playing forward at Casey for a few weeks first.  

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,355]

41 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Horror draw ?  There's hardly a decent side in the AFL and certainly no-one I fear.

We may lose to Adelaide in Adelaide, but I put them in the category of winnable games.

There's not a side I don't think we can beat on our day. 

Horror draw as in WB, WCE (away) and Sydney all on 6 day breaks.

We've shown that we struggle off 6 day breaks and we certainly struggle off tough interstate trips such as Darwin.

In fact we rarely win under any adversity (ie - suspensions).

[BLWNBA 1,482]

5 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Oh god I hope not. Frost has some weapons, but smarts isn't one of them. Dusty will kick 6 if he gets him. I can't think of one guy that can go with him one on one. Whatever double team he gets, Vince should be one of them. High footy IQ required.

Yeah, I'd run with Vince on Martin - I can't see the Frost/Martin match up being favourable at all. 

Then (obviously depending on final line ups), have Jetta/Bugg/Melksham (presuming he remains in the side), run with the mosquito fleet. 

 

[beelzebub 23,390]

You HAVE to be able to take a contested pack mark to really be considered a KPF imho

Four names that ring a bell.  Hogan, Pedo, Smith and Watts....Jacks not always successful granted i ( in packs) but it asserting himself more. Id play him off a wing anyway.

Weid's a bit of a ways off being really useful...but can mark sometimes.  Big Mac can mark..Jnr Burger not so much as a pack style.

Not sure youd implant Oscar when you actually have REAL forwards to select.

[DubDee 26,390]

2 hours ago, Demon3 said:

Oscar and JKH will play i reckon along with Hogan.. i dont expect to see Pedo in the team..

thanks for the inside word

hopefully this doesnt mean Frost up fwd, I think we have tried that one enough. If Pedo doesnt come in, he is this years Dunn and is, well, done.

not sure about playing both Macs and Frost at the back, especially as Tigers arent that tall

But I have come to expect surprises from Goody so we will see! the outs will be fascinating as if omitted, one could deduce that Goody seems them as part of the reason for 'Third-Quarter-Gate' last week

[BLWNBA 1,482]

7 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Has Oscar ever played as a forward? Would it be possible that he could be picked to replace Weideman as the "second" tall forward, leaving Watts to be the third-cum-ruckman? Hogan, of course, as the "first". I realise it requires another forward to go, but that could be Hannan or Harmes going to the backline (perhaps to replace Melksham).

Of course, if Oscar has never played as a forward, I can't see it happening now. If that were the plan, I'd expect him to be playing forward at Casey for a few weeks first.  

FWIW, when Harmes plays out of the defensive 50, I see him as one of our biggest liabilities. If he's to say in the side, I'd much rather him remain a forward. 

Not too sure about Hannan - even in the VFL he played as a forward, didn't he? I'm not suggesting it's pointless, I just don't know enough about Hannan to make an informed decision. 

[Redleg 42,044]

59 minutes ago, WA Demon13 said:

For what its worth I can see Hibbard , Hogan & Pedo being the inclusions this week.

 

 

Very possible.

Hibberd ran the game out and had plenty of the ball and used it pretty well.

Pedo rucked most of the day and got 32 possies as well.

[Gator 18,013]

4 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Horror draw as in WB, WCE (away) and Sydney all on 6 day breaks.

We've shown that we struggle off 6 day breaks and we certainly struggle off tough interstate trips such as Darwin.

In fact we rarely win under any adversity (ie - suspensions).

It's a new group.

I'm not much interested in "historically".

Historically we've been cr@p.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

3 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

Yeah, I'd run with Vince on Martin - I can't see the Frost/Martin match up being favourable at all. 

Then (obviously depending on final line ups), have Jetta/Bugg/Melksham (presuming he remains in the side), run with the mosquito fleet. 

 

Actually.... Jetta wouldn't be the dumbest. Great when the ball's in the air. Not a plodder. Aggressive. Likewise Bugg has a high football IQ... just not the physical gifts perhaps. I have a horrible feeling Melksham will get the job.

[BLWNBA 1,482]

1 minute ago, Dappa Dan said:

Actually.... Jetta wouldn't be the dumbest. Great when the ball's in the air. Not a plodder. Aggressive. Likewise Bugg has a high football IQ... just not the physical gifts perhaps. I have a horrible feeling Melksham will get the job.

Bugg was my initial thought too, but, physically, I can't see him competently being able to compete with Martin.