SEN pull apart Ozzie a.k.a Oscar McDonald

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Well Dwayne Russell called him Ollie about 4 times in round 1. So just call him anything that starts with O I guess. 

 

Hope you bounce back back from the 2's, Othello. 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

1 minute ago, A F said:

I was taking the [censored] about the name, mate. I don't care what he's called, although I'm with WB in that I hadn't heard him referred to as Ozzie before.

So how many takeaways did he create? Did they have that stat or not? Because if they didn't, they should have if they were going to use this as a segment. It has legs as a way of examining efficiency. I hate the DE stat and the turnover stat, as this topic would suggest, is misleading.

I think they got off OZZIE  pretty quick just because Oz does enough lamenting and congratulating of the demons mid week. Pretty much as soon as they explained he'd only had 3 turnovers, they went onto the more statistically valid examples. 

Yeah fair enough on the stat. What are your feelings on him in general then? Not using that stat...

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

3 minutes ago, Craig Drinker said:

Prince George from Blackadder

Well [censored]. Now that's all I'm going to be able to see when I look at him. That and the porpoise.

[praha 10,574]

Let's all remember how awesome a last 5-6 games he had last year when the team was pushing for a finals spot and he won a Rising Star nom. 

I don't know if as Melbourne fans it's our tendency to overstate bad games and performances on a team and player level, but seriously, we crucify players and act like they're the reason we lose games. We are just like Richmond supporters in that sense. Utterly brutal, especially on young players. We almost ruined Watts. We fueled the media criticism. Ox I have no doubt just goes with the bandwagon and sees the game in a really shallow way. Oscar isn't great, but we absolutely need to back him in purely on the back of him performing so well in arguably the club's most pivotal moment of the past decade.

Halfway through last season we went through the same thing. He'd played maybe 10 games. I and a few others supported him and he turned it around, and the very people saying now, "See I told you he was garbage!" were at the time saying "Colour me impressed!"

An old footy cliche: it's a marathon, not a sprint. Oscar is pivotal to our long term plans.

[Skuit 9,382]

2 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

I think they got off OZZIE  pretty quick just because Oz does enough lamenting and congratulating of the demons mid week.

So who is Oz now? This thread is confusing. I wonder what Wonners is up to nowadays. 

Edited April 13, 2017 by Skuit

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38 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

I think they got off OZZIE  pretty quick just because Oz does enough lamenting and congratulating of the demons mid week. Pretty much as soon as they explained he'd only had 3 turnovers, they went onto the more statistically valid examples. 

Yeah fair enough on the stat. What are your feelings on him in general then? Not using that stat...

I find his intensity at times to be lacking and he loses concentration during key moments, but I'm a fan. Would like to see more upper body strength, but that will come, as will the decision-making and other standards.

I agree though that a little bit of time down at VFL level won't necessarily do him any harm. I'm certainly not in the Steve camp. I think he'll be a player.

[Lord Travis 10,327]

5 minutes ago, praha said:

Let's all remember how awesome a last 5-6 games he had last year when the team was pushing for a finals spot and he won a Rising Star nom. 

I don't know if as Melbourne fans it's our tendency to overstate bad games and performances on a team and player level, but seriously, we crucify players and act like they're the reason we lose games. We are just like Richmond supporters in that sense. Utterly brutal, especially on young players. We almost ruined Watts. We fueled the media criticism. Ox I have no doubt just goes with the bandwagon and sees the game in a really shallow way. Oscar isn't great, but we absolutely need to back him in purely on the back of him performing so well in arguably the club's most pivotal moment of the past decade.

Halfway through last season we went through the same thing. He'd played maybe 10 games. I and a few others supported him and he turned it around, and the very people saying now, "See I told you he was garbage!" were at the time saying "Colour me impressed!"

An old footy cliche: it's a marathon, not a sprint. Oscar is pivotal to our long term plans.

I think most of the people on here who are saying some negative things about Oscar, myself included, can see he is a decent prospect long term. That doesn't mean he isn't frustrating in the short term. I see him and Weid as very similar at the moment. Oscar is completely lacking in intensity at the contest and is losing far more contests than he should due to his current lack of strength. Seeing him get pushed around by guys 10-15cms shorter and 5-10kgs lighter is frustrating. I think he reads the ball ok, and although he has a few deer in headlight moments he is generally a decent kick of the ball, more reliable than his older brother in that regard. There is enough there to suggest he is a decent long term prospect, but right now, in the present, he is not playing at the required level IMO.

Weid is similar. At present he is not having an impact on game and isn't getting involved enough. I'd have dropped him before Oscar based on form. 4 touches in a game is not good enough no matter what position you are playing. Long term though, you can see he has the attributes to be a good player. He launches at the ball in the air better than anyone else in the team, he just isn't sticking many of them yet. He's also a good disposer of the ball by both hand and foot and brings his team mates into the game when he can. He needs to get to more contests, and once he gets fitter he'll be able to do that and have more of an impact. 

The frustration comes in that we can see they could be good players long term, but right now they're not strong enough or fit enough and are just getting pushed around and not having an impact. With injuries/suspensions there aren't other to cover their absence so they are being played when they probably shouldn't be, which isn't entirely their fault. Hopefully with time both will become good players. I'm very sure Weid will, I'm fairly sure Oscar will also.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

1 minute ago, A F said:

I find his intensity at times to be lacking and he loses concentration during key moments, but I'm a fan. Would like to see more upper body strength, but that will come, as will the decision-making and other standards.

I agree though that a little bit of time down at VFL level won't necessarily do him any harm. I'm certainly not in the Steve camp. I think he'll be a player.

3 weeks ago I was still thinking he'll be a T-Hizzle clone, since he's related to him. I think he's a better kick though... Isn't as big and not as quick. He was so good last year 1 on 1 for his level of experience, so I was excited to see him improve, but he's certainly not done that yet. These first few games have shown me to look for him to become a different type of player to his brother. Which could be a good thing, perhaps. Good to see others aren't quite as down on him though.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

2 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

I think most of the people on here who are saying some negative things about Oscar, myself included, can see he is a decent prospect long term. 

Yeah sensible post. I think my only query would be if we counted up the amount that claim he'll never be good enough (as opposed to saying he'll take time), we might be surprised. But then, this isn't a post defending him, TBH. Just interested in some views.

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16 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

3 weeks ago I was still thinking he'll be a T-Hizzle clone, since he's related to him. I think he's a better kick though... Isn't as big and not as quick. He was so good last year 1 on 1 for his level of experience, so I was excited to see him improve, but he's certainly not done that yet. These first few games have shown me to look for him to become a different type of player to his brother. Which could be a good thing, perhaps. Good to see others aren't quite as down on him though.

If you mean "big" as in height, he's taller than TMac, but if you mean weight, yeah, Tom is heavier. I'd agree on the rest though. 

I think Oscar struggled in the St Kilda game, did well in the Carlton game and struggled last week - I thought our defence, with the exception of Jetta was really poor though.

Very interesting to see him dropped nevertheless. That was a bit left field. Didn't think Goody would drop him, but that's good to see. Would be fascinating to get a reason why. I may have answered it myself, but that's tough.

I like Frost though as well, so looking forward to seeing what he can do this weekend. Wouldn't be surprised to see him take a few rucking contests either.

Edited April 13, 2017 by A F

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Just now, A F said:

Tom is heavier though. 

Didn't think Goody would drop him, but that's good to see. 

I like Frost though as well, so looking forward to seeing what he can do this weekend. Wouldn't be surprised to see him take a few rucking contests either.

Yup I did mean heavier.

Yeah I'm loving Goody's selections so far. I have a lot of time for Bugg, and I'm loving his selections that commit to a team plan. Noone saw Hannan and ANB coming round 1, and that was inspired.

I am absolutely NOT a Frost fan. Having said that, with Garland hurt he'll be important. And yes... I'm in the camp that wants Watts deep forward or spreading off HB. Noone sets us up better, besides maybe Lewis. We lose nothing by having Frost as the backup ruck in terms of the taps themselves.

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14 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Yup I did mean heavier.

Yeah I'm loving Goody's selections so far. I have a lot of time for Bugg, and I'm loving his selections that commit to a team plan. Noone saw Hannan and ANB coming round 1, and that was inspired.

I am absolutely NOT a Frost fan. Having said that, with Garland hurt he'll be important. And yes... I'm in the camp that wants Watts deep forward or spreading off HB. Noone sets us up better, besides maybe Lewis. We lose nothing by having Frost as the backup ruck in terms of the taps themselves.

Different strokes for different folks. I'm not a Bugg fan at all, but I also like Goody's selections, so I'll back him in this week.

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1 hour ago, Dingo said:

I really dislike this topic. Why are we using  North American sporting terminology to "analyse" Australian Rules Football? I 've had enough of the words offence and defence. And some bozos are using the word quarterback when analysing games!!We play an Australian game so lets not Americanise it.

Right on homey.

Totally dig .

[Little Goffy 12,988]

2 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

Fair enough. I love NFL. And am not precious about terminology. Each to their own.

In other news, Ozzie out. Wowee.

Who's Wowee?

 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

9 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Who's Wowee?

 

Wowzzie

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When I listened it must've been before or after Omac. The stats I heard were about the top performers in terms of turnovers per disposal. Impressively we had two of the top 5 or 6 with Stretch about 3rd and Oliver 5th or 6th. Stretch doesn't surprise me from what I've seen this year but a great result for Oliver considering the pressure and contested nature of his disposals! The least turnovers were by the Bont with only 1 per 19 disposals.

[Skuit 9,382]

1 hour ago, Dappa Dan said:

3 weeks ago I was still thinking he'll be a T-Hizzle clone, since he's related to him. I think he's a better kick though...

Ahahaha. Hat's off. This is top-shelf trolling.

Edited April 13, 2017 by Skuit

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He has shown some promise.Been fairly average to start the year.Out he goes- in comes Frost.

 I'm keener on Frost as he was just starting to become a real gun.

Oscar can play at AFL level but needs work.All seems healthy.

Seems like the list has been organised so there are two players for eAch spot - which is just as well given injuries.

[Nasher 33,246]

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

Who's Wowee?

 

Brian Taylor.

[leave it to deever 16,570]

6 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Forgive me for the potentially silly question, but who the hell is Ozzie?  Is it Oscar McDonald?

Apparently some at the Mfc saw Schartz's number plate when he played and wondered who theo x was. True story.

Edited April 13, 2017 by leave it to deever

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Wait, so Ozzie likes takeaways, but he don't giveaway, he ain't American, unlike the Collingwood guy, who does giveaway but doesn't like takeaways..? Am I getting it??

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11 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Wait, so Ozzie likes takeaways, but he don't giveaway, he ain't American, unlike the Collingwood guy, who does giveaway but doesn't like takeaways..? Am I getting it??

Is that you, Shirley?

[Adzman 2,086]

I think Plugga Lockett was the king of takeaways when he was playing.

Pizza, fish and chips, kebabs...

[Satyriconhome 10,087]

This topic is like a Seinfeld script, all about nothing, Mr Oscar McDonald's nickname amongst the players is Osc pronounced Osk by the way

[Skuit 9,382]

4 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

This topic is like a Seinfeld script, all about nothing, Mr Oscar McDonald's nickname amongst the players is Osc pronounced Osk by the way

What? Osk makes no sense at all. The players should just stick with Ozzie like literally everyone else calls him.