Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[Lord Travis 10,696]

5 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

doubt he met with MFC maybe his manager but I thought it was against the rules to meet in season

 

 

Only against the rules for free agents to meet with other clubs. Lever is too young to be a free agent so it's fair game. Sucks for Adelaide that they continue to lose talent. That's Dangerfield, Phil Davis, Tippett, Bock all gone when they were at their peaks or close to as players.

[Demon_JB 1,376]

2 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Only against the rules for free agents to meet with other clubs. Lever is too young to be a free agent so it's fair game. Sucks for Adelaide that they continue to lose talent. That's Dangerfield, Phil Davis, Tippett, Bock all gone when they were at their peaks or close to as players.

Don't forget Gunston as well. They've lost a load of talent.

[Die Hard Demon 1,224]

Letting us take Lever is the least they can do for taking Scott Thompson off us all those years ago.

[McQueen 17,864]

7 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Only against the rules for free agents to meet with other clubs. Lever is too young to be a free agent so it's fair game. Sucks for Adelaide that they continue to lose talent. That's Dangerfield, Phil Davis, Tippett, Bock all gone when they were at their peaks or close to as players.

So you would think that they'd have some wriggle room in the cap.

Why such the low-ball offer?

$300K is a huge difference.

Crows being shrewd and not placing all their eggs in one basket?

[Sir Why You Little 36,955]

Huge call From McClure

At least we know we are right into him now for certain

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

In view of how much the Media, SEN included, love us, lets assume that players, managers, etc breaking the "rules", 

would be more likely a concoction, to make Adelaide and South Australian footy in general hate us to keep the trend going. A valuable weapon come Finals Games, especially to gullible maggots.....

[Wiseblood 24,637]

39 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I don't interpret it that way.

Meeting with an opposing club's officials and players as leverage to get a better deal with your current club seems a bit extreme. You can do that by simply holding off signing until you're satisfied with an offer from your current club.

Clearly he is considering a move if what's reported is true.

And if it happens, i'll be in heaven. 

 

 

I interpret it that way as I'm comparing it to other sports that use the free agency model.  Often players will meet with other clubs, or their manager drops a few things in the media, to spook their current team into offering a better deal.  Obviously that is not the case with all players, but at the same time he keeps saying how happy he is over there - to me, meeting with other clubs is a tool to get the Crows to up their offer.  

I'll be stoked if he signs with us as well, although I'd be very, very surprised if he's personally met with us during the season.  I'm not even sure if that's allowed.

[Bates Mate 4,467]

well a long way from a done deal but we would need to give up something to get him.

Crows would be after our 1st rounder and a player of starting 22 quality.

Is he worth a top 10-20 pick and a player of say an ANB quality (who they might entertain given their lack of midfield depth). 

[In Gawn we Trust 86]

My mate is an AFL scout, and he thinks lever is on his way. He also said that one of the guys he works with is "best mates" with lever and apparently he is coming to Melbourne for the next few weeks when he can to look at houses.

Sounds like one of those "my brothers mates dads cousin knows such and such" I realise but it seems like we couldn't be in a better spot to land him.

Rumours are fun

[Chris 2,892]

33 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

doubt he met with MFC maybe his manager but I thought it was against the rules to meet in season

 

 

Depends who asks for the meeting. It may well only apply to free agents but if the player asks to meet with the club then there is no issue at any time. The rule bans the clubs from contacting the players (as in making first contact), it doesn't ban the player from talking to clubs.

[Jibroni 4,987]

5 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

well a long way from a done deal but we would need to give up something to get him.

Crows would be after our 1st rounder and a player of starting 22 quality.

Is he worth a top 10-20 pick and a player of say an ANB quality (who they might entertain given their lack of midfield depth). 

 

I would say yes but we need to remember Lever does not always play the role of a "lock down defender" as this is mainly shared between Talia, Kelly and Hartigan. Havent said that if we got him it would make our backline a lot more reliable and make life easier for O/Mac/Frost.

 

[Mike 297]

It's hard not to feel giddy with excitement about all this. Especially after recent years of not being a 'destination club' and seeing players go elsewhere. All the hype around Lever seems warranted.

[SFebes 4,884]

I'm torn on Lever. He's a 3rd tall defender who mostly always plays loose, personally I think we are lacking a gorilla back. I also think we are a 200cm KPF short.

 

He would still be our best backmen though if he did come.

 

Edit: Actually I'll just leave it to club to decide what's best, this was all just my opinion from watching where we lack in games.

Edited August 2, 2017 by SFebey

[Lucifers Hero 39,504]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I don't interpret it that way.

Meeting with an opposing club's officials and players as leverage to get a better deal with your current club seems a bit extreme. You can do that by simply holding off signing until you're satisfied with an offer from your current club.

Clearly he is considering a move if what's reported is true.

And if it happens, i'll be in heaven.

His team mate, Tom Lynch did exactly that two years ago when there was strong talk he was leaving (and if I recall the Dees were a long way down the track with him).  As soon as the Crows blinked and gave him the term and $ he wanted, he couldn't sign fast enough.

After the Crows blinked Lynch said:  “I’ve got a young family ...I’m happy to stay at the Club – the intention was always to stay here at the Adelaide Crows".

Its a game players and managers indulge.  Maybe Lever is touring a few clubs...didn't his father recently connect with the bulldogs?

To me Lever is still a young player with potential.  Yes, potential to be elite (like many other players in our team) but doesn't really have runs on the board so I'm not yet as enamoured with him as some DL's . 

I would be reluctant for us to pay an 'elite' level trade value to the Crows or pay Lever an 'elite' level contract.  If the reported $850K p.a. the Bulldogs are offering is true then I would walk away from the table.  The only Dee player earning more than that would be Hogan (maybe Viney).  Lever has a lot to prove before he gets to that level in my book. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,955]

Waldron says Lever to the Filth. 

Done deal...

 

[Bates Mate 4,467]

I too am reluctant to pay top $$ for him. the floating third tall type defenders can be found out 

really quickly . I don't know enough about lever and don't watch enough adelaide games jut general consensus is he is a future star but Colin Garland was great for 2-3 years playing a similar role

[Ted Lasso 19,278]

Apparently he met with Goody, Todd Viney, Nathan Jones and Jack Viney and we've made a pretty strong pitch. 

I don't get the sense this is even close to over the line but lots of people are saying our offer is as good or better than any other on the table. 

[Glenn Molloy 494]

2 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Only against the rules for free agents to meet with other clubs. Lever is too young to be a free agent so it's fair game. Sucks for Adelaide that they continue to lose talent. That's Dangerfield, Phil Davis, Tippett, Bock all gone when they were at their peaks or close to as players.

Shows how good their recruiting has been in recent years, particularly given the draft penalty they got.  Have nailed the picks they've had in the teens and twenties (e.g. M Crouch, Lever, Sloane, Talia) and done superbly with the rookie list (Laird, McGovern, Cameron).  I'd have a soft spot for the crows if they weren't an Adelaide franchise with moron fans!

24 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Waldron says Lever to the Filth. 

Done deal...

 

Waldron would know about brown paper bags I guess.  But, I do think that the Pies are our biggest competitors. They have some currency to offer in Scharenberg, who is an SA boy but in and out of the side having come back from two knee recos, and also have some hard nut midfield depth that might appeal to the Crows (e.g. Tom Phillips, Wills etc.)  I'd love to have Lever but am a bit worried about what we'd need to give up to get him - would be minimum first rounder (pick 11 at the moment?) and then a decent player (not a VFL type like BenKen). 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

His team mate, Tom Lynch did exactly that two years ago when there was strong talk he was leaving (and if I recall the Dees were a long way down the track with him).  As soon as the Crows blinked and gave him the term and $ he wanted, he couldn't sign fast enough.

After the Crows blinked Lynch said:  “I’ve got a young family ...I’m happy to stay at the Club – the intention was always to stay here at the Adelaide Crows".

Its a game players and managers indulge.  Maybe Lever is touring a few clubs...didn't his father recently connect with the bulldogs?

To me Lever is still a young player with potential.  Yes, potential to be elite (like many other players in our team) but doesn't really have runs on the board so I'm not yet as enamoured with him as some DL's . 

I would be reluctant for us to pay an 'elite' level trade value to the Crows or pay Lever an 'elite' level contract.  If the reported $850K p.a. the Bulldogs are offering is true then I would walk away from the table.  The only Dee player earning more than that would be Hogan (maybe Viney).  Lever has a lot to prove before he gets to that level in my book. 

That doesn't mean Lynch was always going to stay at the Crows but you also haven't provided any evidence to show that Lynch met with any other clubs. You are recalling that we were "a long way down the track with him". Please share the evidence.

It's funny that you list Hogan as elite and a player who'd command that sort of coin but not Lever.

To say that he has "potential" only at this stage means one of two things: Either you are the typical demonlander who doesn't really take notice of other players and who exaggerates our own talent pool or you just don't know a good footballer from a bad one. 

Let me put it this way. If posters on demonland believe that Oscar has the potential to be one of the best Full Backs in the game, then Lever is going to go down as the greatest defender to have ever played the game and will be made immortal. 

Lever is the best young defender in the league without question and to suggest he only shows potential is [censored] crazy.

 

Edited August 2, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[binman 42,607]

26 minutes ago, Abe said:

Apparently he met with Goody, Todd Viney, Nathan Jones and Jack Viney and we've made a pretty strong pitch. 

I don't get the sense this is even close to over the line but lots of people are saying our offer is as good or better than any other on the table. 

It seems clear that if he leaves he is coming home to Vic. Lucifer's Hero makes a good point about Lynch ending up staying at the Crows despite many saying him leaving was a fait accompli.  So despite the loud jungle drums it its not a done deal he is leaving the crows. But jeez if you putting a bet on it you'd land on him going.

If the last point is true surely the dees would be a more attractive option than either the dogs or pies (who seem to be the other key suitors)  given we are close to our premiership window. Dogs have had their flag and will struggle to get another any time soon. Who knows how far away the pies are but they have a fair bit of rebuilding to do and the situation with Buckley and the review wouldn't make a potential recruit very comfortable.

I agree with those that say we shouldn't be paying too much above market rate. and i doubt we will, so the pies might well out bid us. We have a range of other needs, in particular at least one more mid who is an elite user of the ball and a really good second ruck option as Gawn going down exposed our vulnerability in this area (king might come good, but seems a fair way away).

But in addition to his ability to play the intercept role really well and to fit into our system i like lever's ball use. Not sure if it is elite but not far off. Also goody values flexibility and i reckon Lever with his marking ability could thrive up forward when/if needed and perhaps also as an occasional ruckman. 

Edited August 2, 2017 by binman

[BAMF 4,298]

Also from SEN. Lever linked to Pies.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/02/pies-defensive-prayers-to-be-answered/

[Lucifers Hero 39,504]

3 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

That doesn't mean Lynch was always going to stay at the Crows that is what he actually said!  Google any of the articles after he signed.  but you also haven't provided any evidence to show that Lynch met with any other clubs. You are recalling that we were "a long way down the track with him". Please share the evidence.

The Victorian’s manager, Paul Connors, four weeks ago confirmed several clubs had expressed interest in securing the 24-year-old. The Demons, with the lure of the three years Lynch sought, were reportedly a leading contender to poach the 57-game forward.

  http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/afl-rivals-begin-to-move-on-crows-forward-tom-lynch-as-his-contract-talks-at-adelaide-fail-to-deliver-threeyear-deal/news-story/7e27e2be2ea44f55348befedcba83165

It's funny that you list Hogan as elite and a player who'd command that sort of coin but not Lever.  You may think it funny, others may not. 

To say that he has "potential" only at this stage means one of two things: Either you are the typical demonlander who doesn't really take notice of other players and who exaggerates our own talent pool or you just don't know a good footballer from a bad one. They are big claims about someone you don't know and if you think that you clearly don't read my posts very often.  If you think Lever is already elite rather than potentially elite, well we just need to agree to disagree.

Let me put it this way. If posters on demonland believe that Oscar has the potential to be one of the best Full Backs in the game, then Lever is going to go down as the greatest defender to have ever played the game and will be made immortal.   I said nothing about Oscar!!!

Lever is the best young defender in the league without question and to suggest he only shows potential is [censored] crazy.  As you are keen on evidence where is the evidence he currently commands an elite level trade or elite level contract, which after all was the point of my discussion on his future. 

 

[jnrmac 20,053]

2 hours ago, Bates Mate said:

doubt he met with MFC maybe his manager but I thought it was against the rules to meet in season

Lin Jong toured Collingwood's facilities last year mid-season I believe

[McQueen 17,864]

From what I can glean from reading all of the AFL related articles on SEN's site, they're a bunch of rumour mongering clowns who will take to print what any ex-AFL club insider (Pelchen, Waldron for example) says as gospel.

Chumps.

[mauriesy 7,256]

Gotta love SEN. Four hours ago he's bound for Melbourne, then 30 minutes ago he's a certainty for Collingwood.