Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[deebug 1,754]

I think the player we might be trading is Vanderberg? As there has been no info on him from the club only that he was in China with his dad.

[Dee Zephyr 19,250]

45 minutes ago, Redleg said:

This is the same Brian Waldron who said Lever was going to the Pies.

PS. Sorry Demon 77, didn't see that you had posted this already.

All good Redleg.

From the article regarding Adelaide wanting two first round picks for Lever it mentions that our club was contacted and we refused to comment on the matter hence being tight lipped.

I find it a bit odd we would then make our plans public to a degree in the manner we go about gaining his services.

Edited September 14, 2017 by Demon77

[kurtneverdied 204]

51 minutes ago, deebug said:

I think the player we might be trading is Vanderberg? As there has been no info on him from the club only that he was in China with his dad.

I dunno does he have any currency at all? I'm doubting it.

[rjay 24,687]

After a quick read through it seems an old favourite (with a new name) has jumped up with the latest plausible information claiming it to be a scoop and from inside information.

Hmmmmmmmm

Now let me see, we've had the inside running on Lever for a while now & a reliable poster has confirmed that. So lets make that a scoop, use a later media story for reference on the time line.

Gaff's name has been thrown around a bit so lets take a punt on that and if it doesn't come through we can always use the Eagles wouldn't release him from his contract That should do the trick.

Mention a 3rd player, don't know the name despite the inside word. This is a no lose, we are certain to trade someone in so whoever it is can be the unknown 3rd man.

...and if all fails, it's just gossip.

Edited September 14, 2017 by rjay

[deelete my account 1,194]

29 minutes ago, rjay said:

After a quick read through it seems an old favourite (with a new name) has jumped up with the latest plausible information claiming it to be a scoop and from inside information.

Hmmmmmmmm

Now let me see, we've had the inside running on Lever for a while now & a reliable poster has confirmed that. So lets make that a scoop, use a later media story for reference on the time line.

Gaff's name has been thrown around a bit so lets take a punt on that and if it doesn't come through we can always use the Eagles wouldn't release him from his contract That should do the trick.

Mention a 3rd player, don't know the name despite the inside word. This is a no lose, we are certain to trade someone in so whoever it is can be the unknown 3rd man.

...and if all fails, it's just gossip.

Maybe a new demonlander's inside source is just a demonlander he overheard in a pub who claimed to have an inside source from inside the club but was only reading demonland 

Edited September 14, 2017 by Deeprived Childhood

[Akum 2,660]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

After a quick read through it seems an old favourite (with a new name) has jumped up with the latest plausible information claiming it to be a scoop and from inside information.

Hmmmmmmmm

Now let me see, we've had the inside running on Lever for a while now & a reliable poster has confirmed that. So lets make that a scoop, use a later media story for reference on the time line.

Gaff's name has been thrown around a bit so lets take a punt on that and if it doesn't come through we can always use the Eagles wouldn't release him from his contract That should do the trick.

Mention a 3rd player, don't know the name despite the inside word. This is a no lose, we are certain to trade someone in so whoever it is can be the unknown 3rd man.

...and if all fails, it's just gossip.

Yeah maybe.

Trouble is, at this stage of the season with finals still on (in which Lever & Gaff are still playing), nobody at either club can predict (let alone guarantee) the final outcome. Even if this poster had got their info direct from Todd Viney himself, all they can tell us is the current state of play at Week 2 of the finals.

It's just too easy to be robotically skeptical about every post like this. To me, the scenario this poster put forward is the most plausible statement of both sides' opening negotiating positions that I've yet read anywhere. If it is true, as well as showing a lot of mutual respect, it shows good faith in that we don't intend to underpay for Lever. But we will work hard to preserve the 2018 R1 pick, perhaps to use on Gaff (for whom we also don't want to underpay). This is consistent with what other posters with a more established record have said, but his post goes further by pointing to how we might actually pull it off without selling the farm.

So to me plausible, though of course "plausible" isn't the same as "true". It's possible to take stuff like this at face value and with a grain of salt at the same time - at face value because it fits what we do know, it's plausible and it adds a little bit extra to what we know; and with a grain of salt because it's so early and because it's obvious that there's no way of telling how it will end up. In other words, while I think it's a plausible account of where things might be at this stage, we all know it means little or nothing to the final result (and maybe we will have to sell more of the farm than we'd like to)

Can we just express our doubts without needing to take the poster down? 

[Skuit 10,004]

8 hours ago, Nasher said:

Suspect this may be the same [censored] who told everyone we were getting Josh Kennedy.

Hey wait. How come you get to say [censored] and we can't?

[MrReims 313]

2 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Hey wait. How come you get to say [censored] and we can't?

Good pick up!

[Cards13 9,117]

9 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

And rightly so.  If you put it out there and it's not true then your credibility is zero.

At least wait to find out if it is WB, it's not that serious... fan forum, enjoy it for what it is.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,437]

7 hours ago, deebug said:

I think the player we might be trading is Vanderberg? As there has been no info on him from the club only that he was in China with his dad.

He would have zero trade value. We seriously overestimate the value of our own players. 

[hardtack 10,434]

6 hours ago, rjay said:

After a quick read through it seems an old favourite (with a new name) has jumped up with the latest plausible information claiming it to be a scoop and from inside information.

Hmmmmmmmm

Now let me see, we've had the inside running on Lever for a while now & a reliable poster has confirmed that. So lets make that a scoop, use a later media story for reference on the time line.

Gaff's name has been thrown around a bit so lets take a punt on that and if it doesn't come through we can always use the Eagles wouldn't release him from his contract That should do the trick.

Mention a 3rd player, don't know the name despite the inside word. This is a no lose, we are certain to trade someone in so whoever it is can be the unknown 3rd man.

...and if all fails, it's just gossip.

Aaaaaaand cue GNF!

[binman 42,162]

6 hours ago, Deeprived Childhood said:

Maybe a new demonlander's inside source is just a demonlander he overheard in a pub who claimed to have an inside source from inside the club but was only reading demonland 

A bit like the lions king's circle of life

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 hours ago, Cards13 said:

At least wait to find out if it is WB, it's not that serious... fan forum, enjoy it for what it is.

I never said it wasn't true, Cards.  All I'm saying is that if you put rumours out there as fact, and they don't come through, then you lose your credibility.  

I'm quite happy to listen to info from those who have been proven to be in the know.  Others?  Who knows where they get their information from, and until they have been proven right a few times, then I'll remain skeptical.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He would have zero trade value. We seriously overestimate the value of our own players. 

Dean Kent is a case in point.  Many here are saying he isn't up to it, yet for some reason West Coast will want him as part of some farcical Gaff trade.  It won't happen.  If Kent were to be traded it would be for a third round pick, at best.

[Its Time for Another 4,088]

The Australian are saying Gibbbs has told Blues he wants to go to Crows and they have started negotiations and this time will have the Lever compo to get it done. Let's hope last years experience will have softened both of them up for us. Sober all get reasonable deals done. Last year Deledio was a year older than Gibbs is now and GWS gave up this years 1st & 2nd rounders for him. That seems very high  if you compare it to the Dangerfield deal which was a 1st & 2nd rounder plus a chump player. I hope that's the yardstick. If Deledio is for Gibbs who will be 29 in March you could see why Crows would want 2 first  rounders for Lever. I really hope we don't have to give the up.  It would be way overs as far as I'm concerned. The Dangerfield deal seems more realistic. It now we are probably dependent a bit on how reasonable Carlton will be on Gibbs. They are apparently one of thebClubs keen on Steinger and he'd be a good get for them so that might help it all along. Could end up being a 4 way deal. 

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5 minutes ago, It's Time said:

The Australian are saying Gibbbs has told Blues he wants to go to Crows and they have started negotiations and this time will have the Lever compo to get it done. Let's hope last years experience will have softened both of them up for us. Sober all get reasonable deals done. Last year Deledio was a year older than Gibbs is now and GWS gave up this years 1st & 2nd rounders for him. That seems very high  if you compare it to the Dangerfield deal which was a 1st & 2nd rounder plus a chump player. I hope that's the yardstick. If Deledio is for Gibbs who will be 29 in March you could see why Crows would want 2 first  rounders for Lever. I really hope we don't have to give the up.  It would be way overs as far as I'm concerned. The Dangerfield deal seems more realistic. It now we are probably dependent a bit on how reasonable Carlton will be on Gibbs. They are apparently one of thebClubs keen on Steinger and he'd be a good get for them so that might help it all along. Could end up being a 4 way deal. 

As long as the Carlton doctor isn't involved it could be very well all reasonable 

[DemonOX 8,735]

13 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/adelaide-tells-melbourne-it-wants-two-firstround-draft-picks-for-talented-defender-jake-lever/news-story/dbe7542425f46d6e0852f5b44c034fce

From the article: 

"ADELAIDE ... want two first-round draft picks ...if he seeks a trade back to Victoria".

"Some observers, however — and it is safe to say Melbourne will agree — argue that Lever isn’t worth two first-round choices".

"Another option ...would be to give up two first round picks and receive a decent pick back, or to give up a first rounder and then swap picks".

That is pretty much as @Judd's Granny describes. 

The article also says that Coll has dropped out of the race.

If a trade doesn't involve a third club there is a fair chance it will be done early in the trade period which starts on October 9 (if he decides to come to us).

I'm starting to get my hopes up!

 

If he has nominated to come to us then the cows negotiations are some what limited as he is ooc.  

If the deal can't be done then he goes into the preseason draft and we get him there like Ball did.  

I really hope we stick to our guns on this cause we also need to find outside runners and maybe need to negotiate trades there.

Cows can gf. 

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

7 hours ago, Deeprived Childhood said:

Maybe a new demonlander's inside source is just a demonlander he overheard in a pub who claimed to have an inside source from inside the club but was only reading demonland 

The circle of life.

PS. sorry Binman

Edited September 14, 2017 by Devil is in the Detail
Not reading all the posts

[Redleg 40,418]

9 hours ago, Demon77 said:

All good Redleg.

From the article regarding Adelaide wanting two first round picks for Lever it mentions that our club was contacted and we refused to comment on the matter hence being tight lipped.

I find it a bit odd we would then make our plans public to a degree in the manner we go about gaining his services.

But we haven't made our plans public, Taylor isn't commenting, everyone else is.

[Redleg 40,418]

1 hour ago, DemonOX said:

 

Cows can gf. 

I know for a fact that we don't think like that, as the List Managers know very well that what goes round comes round.

The mantra is generally be fair in dealing, though of course at the same time trying to get the best deal, but the key word is "fair". 

The clubs that constantly try to screw other clubs are well known.

I think this deal may get done early in trade week, thereby allowing the Crows to deal for Gibbs and others.

[Dee Zephyr 19,250]

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

But we haven't made our plans public, Taylor isn't commenting, everyone else is.

I'm with you on this, we have played the cards close to our chest in regards to these matters. 

When Waldron states "Hear" most assume it's come from within the club.

 

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Is it connolly on sen now? Anyway he's saying Gibbs hasn't requested a trade.

Australian saying gibbs has requested a trade.... haha gotta love this time of year.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Giibs to crows and lever to deed does make a lot of sense though.

It all comes down to the blues now...

[Wrecker45 3,378]

3 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Giibs to crows and lever to deed does make a lot of sense though.

It all comes down to the blues now...

Hopefully Silvani overrates some more players he drafted to GWS and ties them into the deal thinking they are winning.

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Watts I can live without. Salem going would break my little heart into 1000 pcs