On 9/28/2021 at 6:47 PM, Wells 11 said:

well if nothing else it certainly proves that the old saying is true ie ..even a broken clock is right twice a day. 

I think it says he had clear plans and intentions to be a successful coach long term. JT and getting Hogan in that mini draft.  It turned out he did not have the skills/ability to step up to being the senior AFL coach and obviously got little real support within the club at that time, also at a time out club was not in a good place in any fashion.   He should have made his entire career as an assistant coach, most likely would have continued to be successful.  Like many NFL/soccer assistants never strive to be the senior coach and are very highly regarded. 

On 9/29/2021 at 4:20 PM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Had a conversation with a Collingwood supporter today who wanted to bask in some of our glory by pointing out that Mark Williams and Alan Richardson had played with Collingwood. I told him that our best ex-Collingwood recruit may well be Jason Taylor. Not sure if that made him feel better or worse. 

I remember Red Ed going off when we stole him from under his nose. It was glorious to watch and gets better with age.

On 9/28/2021 at 8:17 PM, Wells 11 said:

well if nothing else it certainly proves that the old saying is true ie ..even a broken clock is right twice a day. 

Not a truer saying that ever existed. So he did leave something positive at our club.

Edited October 4, 20213 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

On 9/26/2021 at 9:48 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

We should change this to 

THANK YOU JASON TAYLOR 

just done a superb job 

after the wines toumpas disaster, he joined us to deliver 

Salem

Petracca 

Brayshaw 

Oliver 

Fritsch 

Spargo

Petty

Sparrow

Jackson

Kozzy 

Rivers 

Bowey

sure some top 10 picks but others were 2nd and 3rd round gold 

Agree with the overall assessment, but James Jordon says “Hi!”.

Edited October 4, 20213 yr by Tim

I read this on another site about JT’s drafting accomplishments -

1st rounders
Christian Petracca
Angus Brayshaw
Clayton Oliver
Christian Salem
Luke Jackson
Kysiaih Pickett
Jake Bowey (pick 21)

Later picks
Trent Rivers (pick 32)
Tom Sparrow (pick 27)
Jayden Hunt (pick 57)
James Harmes (Rookie)
Alex Neale-Bullen (pick 40)
Charlie Spargo (pick 29)
Bayley Fritsch (pick 31)
Harrison Petty (pick 37)

Talk about nailing them!

4 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

I read this on another site about JT’s drafting accomplishments -

1st rounders
Christian Petracca
Angus Brayshaw
Clayton Oliver
Christian Salem
Luke Jackson
Kysiaih Pickett
Jake Bowey (pick 21)

Later picks
Trent Rivers (pick 32)
Tom Sparrow (pick 27)
Jayden Hunt (pick 57)
James Harmes (Rookie)
Alex Neale-Bullen (pick 40)
Charlie Spargo (pick 29)
Bayley Fritsch (pick 31)
Harrison Petty (pick 37)

Talk about nailing them!

James Jordon.

46 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

James Jordon.

Think we will in the future be adding Laurie to that list and maybe Deakyn Smith, Rosman and even Weid. 

5 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

I read this on another site about JT’s drafting accomplishments -

1st rounders
Christian Petracca
Angus Brayshaw
Clayton Oliver
Christian Salem
Luke Jackson
Kysiaih Pickett
Jake Bowey (pick 21)

Later picks
Trent Rivers (pick 32)
Tom Sparrow (pick 27)
Jayden Hunt (pick 57)
James Harmes (Rookie)
Alex Neale-Bullen (pick 40)
Charlie Spargo (pick 29)
Bayley Fritsch (pick 31)
Harrison Petty (pick 37)

Talk about nailing them!

And Jordon, not sure but he was probably third round pick

40 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Think we will in the future be adding Laurie to that list and maybe Deakyn Smith, Rosman and even Weid. 

Deakyn Smith and Turner look good

Looking forward to seeing what Bailey Laurie produces in Season 2022.

His draft year highlights package is impressive.

Here it is shown below:

 

A few that JT didn't nail or are yet to nail. Mostly late picks, I didn't look above 53. He has a tremendous success rate. Instrumental to our flag.

JKH  40
Billy Stretch 42
OMac 53
Weid 9
Mitch King 42
Hannah 46
Baker 46
Nietzsche 53

I think any player who had 3 knee reconstructions like aaron had very little chance of making it.

Hannah played for the Western Bulldogs in the GF.

2 minutes ago, durango said:

I think any player who had 3 knee reconstructions like aaron had very little chance of making it.

Hannah played for the Western Bulldogs in the GF.

Up for debate

19 minutes ago, adonski said:

Up for debate

Was selected in a GF side. I also think it’s a stretch to class his draft selection as a failure.

Mitch King as a young ruck is also excusable due to it often being a roll of the dice at that stage.

Even with a kid like Baker or Lockhart, there’s only 22 (23) spots available each week. Someone has to miss out.

JT’s track record is difficult to criticise.

JT has a good record but every person who has the job of finding the right selection in the draft is depended on multiple things like injuries to the draftee during his AFL career and development coaches bring out the best.

Some draftee think they have made it when selected and then just coast along, never to reach the player they were touted to be.

Also in juniors some tall players have a big advantage because they are tall and usually play on smaller or lighter opponents making them look good.

I would like to see the Jason Taylor selections who ended up at another club because he did not have a pick high enough.

In the end JT is also dependant on his spotters and their information gathering ability.

5 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

James Jordon.

Good get. He was pick 33 in the 2018 draft but didn’t get an AFL game until this year.

No recruiter can nail every pick in every draft, as is it impossible.

To nail every pick would mean that those players in a year or two, permanently replace other players in the team, meaning the argument could be that the replaced players were failures.

If you took 5 new players for 4 years, you would have to completely replace the existing team within a few years. We know that doesn't happen.

To be fully successful with every pick would mean that even fewer players would rack up 100-200 games, as you are always picking better players. 

To me the measure of a good recruiter is the quality of the team he puts together, of course aided by development, culture, fitness, luck with injuries etc and being able to have a batch of good players underneath the best 22, to provide depth.

Obviously the last 6-8 players on the list are the ones you try and better.

Edited November 13, 20213 yr by Redleg

Depends on what you mean by nailing every pick. Like everyone one of us who work, we can only do it with the tools we’re given. We can’t expect JT and his team to draft Jason Horne-Francis or Nick Daicos because they don’t have access to pick 1 and can’t match a father-son selection. It’s what they do with the selections they currently hold and if they can trade them and then it’s up to the coaches to develop the players they pick. On their past form, I’m far more confident than I was in the past that they will do well again for the club. That’s what nailing it will mean to me.

2 hours ago, durango said:

JT has a good record but every person who has the job of finding the right selection in the draft is depended on multiple things like injuries to the draftee during his AFL career and development coaches bring out the best.

Some draftee think they have made it when selected and then just coast along, never to reach the player they were touted to be.

Also in juniors some tall players have a big advantage because they are tall and usually play on smaller or lighter opponents making them look good.

I would like to see the Jason Taylor selections who ended up at another club because he did not have a pick high enough.

In the end JT is also dependant on his spotters and their information gathering ability.

Knowing that JT was after Jake Lever, Zak Butters, Xavier Dursma, Mitch Georgiades, Deven Robertson, Max Holmes, etc. shows he has a pretty good idea what he’s doing.

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

No recruiter can nail every pick in every draft, as is it impossible.

To nail every pick would mean that those players in a year or two, permanently replace other players in the team, meaning the argument could be that the replaced players were failures.

If you took 5 new players for 4 years, you would have to completely replace the existing team within a few years. We know that doesn't happen.

To be fully successful with every pick would mean that even fewer players would rack up 100-200 games, as you are always picking better players. 

To me the measure of a good recruiter is the quality of the team he puts together, of course aided by development, culture, fitness, luck with injuries etc and being able to have a batch of good players underneath the best 22, to provide depth.

Obviously the last 6-8 players on the list are the ones you try and better.

Correct, and you have to factor in players like Steven May & Lever, whose acquisition robbed JT of a handful of first round picks also.

The other thing is the definition of “nailing “ a selection.

You would have to create some sort of formulae that is able to assess what is expected of a selection at that pick and it would have to be more than just games played, even though that is probably the starting point.

5 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Knowing that JT was after Jake Lever, Zak Butters, Xavier Dursma, Mitch Georgiades, Deven Robertson, Max Holmes, etc. shows he has a pretty good idea what he’s doing.

Why is Gary Pert so bad at his job?

Great highlights package by Bailey but with the little that I've seen of him I'm not convinced surely JT can't get them all right?

9 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Correct, and you have to factor in players like Steven May & Lever, whose acquisition robbed JT of a handful of first round picks also.

Recruiting is a balance of needs and availability.  The word " robbed" is not used correctly in this situation as a clear policy of our FD is to look at needs and availability snd utilise both in the development of our Clubs list. 

Clearly in  2018 our defence while adequate was not our greatest strength. Jake Lever had committed himself to our  Club and unfortunately injury delayed his progress in developing into a key member of our defence. 

Then at the end of 2018 The club  decided to part ways with Jesse Hogan and through trade negotiations recruited Steven May. Again form and fitness delayed his elevation to his elite status  of 2020 snd 2021.

Since the halfway through 2020 we have had the best defence in the AFL on figures and with the additional recruitment of Jayden Hunt in 2015 ( I think) Harry Petty in 2017, Trent Rivers in 2019 Jake Bowey in 2020 plus Joel Smith through the Draft and Michael Hibberd in 2016 from Essendon after their drug sage scandals. Previously Christian Salem in 2013 was a draftee but not played in defence until more recently under Simon  Goodwin. 

So to claim JT was "robbed"about selecting defenders is nonsense as the above indicates a very balanced approach which was totally justified in our recent 2021 premiership triumph. 

The nature of attracting nearly ready made players or star recruits is that the buyer tends to have to pay "overs" for another Clubs time in developing the skills but you are the recipient of a key element in your team you will build around for quicker success. 

First Round draft picks have been used by our FD Recruiting  Managers in the last 8/10 years both as utensils for star players in trade and also as elite choices to build a very strong balanced list that enabled our team to succeed ultimately justifying this  balance  beyond doubt as a smart and successful strategy in the second decade of the AFL competition in the 21st century.

For as long as we are supporters we will always debate many issues of football and our Club but for any one to be so churlish to criticise after 57 years wait this IMO brilliantly conceived elite list we possess now which has a great chance of sustained success and returning the Dees to a former position of power not experienced for more that half a century.

There is  no "robbing" of anything in this strategy for success as we have decided to implement it totally ourselves and we excitedly await the spoils of this in the next few years. 
 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Why is Gary Pert so bad at his job?

Ignorance is bliss, right?

I won’t address it here, and it has no relevance to this thread.