JLT Round 4, Thursday 9th March - West Coast at Subiaco

[hemingway 7,615]

12 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

 

Stop repeating yourself Ernie

its an age thing comrade. you should know that, flogging is also repetitive. 

[Whispering_Jack 29,769]

11 hours ago, Jaded said:

So we didn't get any injuries? 

That's all I care about to be honest 

Bring on round 1

Sorry but if anyone was injured as a result of last night's game we won't know about it until one of the trackwatchers at training next Friday notices that somebody's absent, hobbling on one leg or has an arm in a sling. Then, a week after that we will discover that he's out for 4 to 6.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Just now, Whispering_Jack said:

Sorry but if anyone was injured as a result of last night's game we won't know about it until one of the trackwatchers at training next Friday notices that somebody's absent, hobbling on one leg or has an arm in a sling. Then, a week after that we will discover that he's out for 4 to 6.

Unless it is a toe injury could be the year.

[buck_nekkid 5,846]

My take:

We were hard around the contest, when there was one.

The umpiring (Harmes gets smacked in the head for play on??) was Perth centric again

We broke down particularly transitioning through half forward.  having a tall roaming our here would have been awesome (instead of watching them crash into each other 20m out).  Small forward would have added something positive.

Some players had really off games.  It happens.

We were constantly caught out because of our errors and decision making failures.  Take the risk, but have the skill to deliver on it!

Our high push up style (to get men to contests) leaves the backline incredibly exposed.  We can give up a few this way, if we can get them back the other way (which we rarely did).  However, the backline looked inept at times - outmuscled, out-positioned, outworked.  If Kennedy kicked straight, it was over much earlier.

it is good basis for having a push at 2017, but there is a lot of tidying up to do before we will be a serious threat.

 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,162]

12 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

Theres no nice way to say it.. they [censored] up a lot of opportunities tonight.

But they were good enough to create them and if it wasnt for poor execution we were a chanve to hit the fornt or at least be a kick in it with 5 mins lefr.

Composure with the ball  needs work. But until they get the skills and compaure right its going to be a roller-coaster again in 2017. We made wce look good from our turnovers.

Our backs got exposed and if they scored 15 goals at least 10 were from our basic f ups

Yeah it reminded of our game there last year a bit although a bit more open. West Coast will be a good side, I really don't get the wrist slashing on here. It's the last hitout before the season, we lacked in execution but otherwise I thought we did well. The players who were down won't be down in round 1 and guys like Oliver Hunt Brayshaw and Salem did enough to get me excited for the year ahead. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,162]

12 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Turnovers and poor disposal at times hurt us with Hogan's miss in the last quarter hurting us badly.

That miss was probably the most disappointing thing on the night for me. He really should be nailing those or at least not missing by so much. 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

4 hours ago, ProDee said:

The sun in the eyes didn't help in the first.  Naturally, it wasn't an issue in the second. 

This time last year West Coast were favourites for the flag.  They'll be good this year. 

This game will be great for the coach/players to review.  Despite most of our good players being underwhelming our gameplan held up.  It's rock solid and will be the foundation for many wins in 2017.

We're still an improving side, so it's unsurprising there were mistakes in a practice match.

Notwithstanding his 3 goals I don't like the two ruck policy and Gawn is the poorer for it.  It robs us of run and diminishes Gawn's role.  I wouldn't play Spencer round 1.

I wouldn't play Spencer and Weed in the same side at Etihad. One (or both) of them goes for run. I'd be tempted to give Spencer the nod over Weed.

Agreed Spencer diminishes Gawn's role but in round 1 I am not concerned. It is a long race.

[Gator 17,276]

1 hour ago, binman said:

In modern speak this is called 'walking it back'. Well perhaps not walking it back but certainly softening your stance. IIRC correctly you were adamant Spencer would not be picked for round 1, that Goodwin was not that stupid.

That said i agree. I wouldn't play Spencer either, primarily because as you say it robs us of run, which will be critical against the saints. Dunn's lack of run (and inability to play zone) in the corresponding game last year killed us and effectively ended his career at the dees. 

For what it's worth i don't think he'll get picked. The JLT was important to keep him match ready and motivated because he is a critical piece of the puzzle if Gawn has to miss one or two matches (that's all i can countenance writing). They might go with the two ruck man is some games though, just not against the saints

 

I'm not sure why so many quote me or are fascinated by my modest contributions.

No, I wouldn't play Spencer.  And I'm almost certain Goodwin won't.

[McQueen 17,864]

2 hours ago, ILLDieADemon said:

I think we played to cute in the third and screwd up our chances in the forward line to put presser on the scoreboard. All in all it was a good pre season test for the boys against a team who will be playing finals this year.

Mark my words, West Coast will play in the grand final this year if not get very close to it. 

No chance.

We made them look good last night.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,799]

Watching our team in those disgusting clash jumpers hurt my eyes. 

[Pates 9,659]

15 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Watching our team in those disgusting clash jumpers hurt my eyes. 

Yup they're exactly what I expected them to look like, training tops. Boring and uninspiring, glad we've got the other one, I hope we can wear it most of the time. 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,799]

We shouln't be wearing the  Bali singlet tops any of the time.  Our traditional jumper never clashed with West Coasts original royal blue jumper.  I don't see why we couldn't wear either the red backed one as we did against the dogs or our retro 80s royal blue one.  Either would have looked better that the crap we wore on Thursday - Sydney jumper from the back, bad Bail singlet from the front. 

Back to writing to the AFL in protest. 

Edited March 10, 2017 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,599]

9 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Watching our team in those disgusting clash jumpers hurt my eyes. 

I hate it with a passion! 

That is why I wrote to the club to complain and give some recommendations.

I will guarantee we will not have that jumper next season.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

On 9 March 2017 at 1:02 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

I don't know about that bitters. I'm generally pretty reserved when refreshed, the most extreme thing I did after a win over here was throw my own faeces at some Dockers members cars as they left the ground. 

There's not enough of this type of behaviour anymore.

 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Upon second viewing, Oscar McDonald is so far from being AFL ready. Physically and mentally. 

 

[dazzledavey36 54,236]

3 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Upon second viewing, Oscar McDonald is so far from being AFL ready. Physically and mentally. 

 

Yet we'll continue to throw him to the wolves and the end result is our defence will leak easy goals.

Bit disappointed we didn't push hard for a experienced tall defender like Eric Mckenzie who was on the trade table last year. Personally i think its a huge hole that we have left open.

I don't think Frost has ever been more important then what he will this year.

[rjay 24,853]

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yet we'll continue to throw him to the wolves and the end result is our defence will leak easy goals.

Bit disappointed we didn't push hard for a experienced tall defender like Eric Mckenzie who was on the trade table last year. Personally i think its a huge hole that we have left open.

I don't think Frost has ever been more important then what he will this year.

I don't think Frost is the answer 'dazzle' but do agree we should have looked for some extra experience in the tall defender department.

Also think we needed another ruck or forward/ruck option.

Edited March 10, 2017 by rjay

[Gator 17,276]

Just watched the game again. 

The mistakes and turnovers were incredible.  The amount of goals they kicked from our basic disposal errors was amazing.  They also had 3 shots at goal from deliberate out of bounds.  And 2 of those were rubbish decisions. 

Our kicking and decision making into our forward 50 was also the pits.  It makes you wonder why the game was relatively close.  

Obviously we did some things well, but I'd argue we almost couldn't play any worse.  

It's easy to pick one the usual suspects like ANB, Harmes and the McDonalds, but Lewis, Viney, Vince, Watts, Jones, and especially Tyson (understandably rusty) had some horific disposal errors where they couldn't spot up easy 20-30 metre targets. 

That said, most of that stuff is quite easily rectified. 

[Redleg 40,817]

On 3/10/2017 at 0:11 PM, buck_nekkid said:

 

The umpiring (Harmes gets smacked in the head for play on??) was Perth centric again

 

 

He actually got hit in the jaw by one arm and over the neck by the other arm, of the tackling WCE player. That was just a stunning incident to miss by 3 umpires.

It seems even in practice games, the umpires give visiting sides a hard time against the Eagles.

Agree with Pro Dee's summary in the preceding post.

Edited March 11, 2017 by Redleg

[Watts the matter 1,235]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Just watched the game again. 

The mistakes and turnovers were incredible.  The amount of goals they kicked from our basic disposal errors was amazing.  They also had 3 shots at goal from deliberate out of bounds.  And 2 of those were rubbish decisions. 

Our kicking and decision making into our forward 50 was also the pits.  It makes you wonder why the game was relatively close.  

Obviously we did some things well, but I'd argue we almost couldn't play any worse.  

It's easy to pick one the usual suspects like ANB, Harmes and the McDonalds, but Lewis, Viney, Vince, Watts, Jones, and especially Tyson (understandably rusty) had some horific disposal errors where they couldn't spot up easy 20-30 metre targets. 

That said, most of that stuff is quite easily rectified. 

Very kind leaving Petracca off that list. Two absolute shockers going forward then a fumble in the defensive goal square in the 3rd quarter (I think) alone.

[Gator 17,276]

3 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Very kind leaving Petracca off that list. Two absolute shockers going forward then a fumble in the defensive goal square in the 3rd quarter (I think) alone.

He was shocking too.  Nothing to do with being "kind".

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,799]

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

Just watched the game again. 

The mistakes and turnovers were incredible.  The amount of goals they kicked from our basic disposal errors was amazing.  They also had 3 shots at goal from deliberate out of bounds.  And 2 of those were rubbish decisions. 

Our kicking and decision making into our forward 50 was also the pits.  It makes you wonder why the game was relatively close.  

Obviously we did some things well, but I'd argue we almost couldn't play any worse.  

It's easy to pick one the usual suspects like ANB, Harmes and the McDonalds, but Lewis, Viney, Vince, Watts, Jones, and especially Tyson (understandably rusty) had some horific disposal errors where they couldn't spot up easy 20-30 metre targets. 

That said, most of that stuff is quite easily rectified. 

Yep agree with all of the above, partially the last line.  So in a sense, I actually think this was a better result for a practice game than winning by whatever margin.

...And yet we only lost by 20 odd points, so to sum up again, played like crap and we're still in the game against a good side.  Inversely, West Coast probably wouldn't have thought they would have played their best game either. 

What does also stand out though, is that it was close to a carbon copy to the home and away game we played them there last year.  We were in the game, had most of the possession and played the game in our forward half, yet butchered our entry into forward 50.  Clearly something needs to change if we play them at Subi during the home and away. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yet we'll continue to throw him to the wolves and the end result is our defence will leak easy goals.

Bit disappointed we didn't push hard for a experienced tall defender like Eric Mckenzie who was on the trade table last year. Personally i think its a huge hole that we have left open.

I don't think Frost has ever been more important then what he will this year.

We have no one else, which is why he is continued to be played even though it's obvious he's not ready. 

I similarly wanted a ready made KP defender and still don't understand why we didn't get one. Frost and O-Mac are young, underdeveloped and have 'potential' only. 

And Tom is anything but consistent.

 

[titan_uranus 24,970]

3 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

And whilst I've been overwhelmingly critical of our game against West Coast, I will admit that it's the perfect time before round 1 to have that sort of game against a side who are similar to the eagles.

Hopefully the review will really highlight some individual horrors to players who will have to rectify come round 1.

We'll be hungry, I have no doubt about that.

I think, on reflection, we had the best possible JLT3 match up given our Round 1 opponent.

They are, of course, called practice matches for a reason. We got to practice for Round 1 against West Coast in Perth. We sucked, but the result of the match is meaningless, It's all about what we learn from it and we've surely learnt a lot.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

5 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Upon second viewing, Oscar McDonald is so far from being AFL ready. Physically and mentally. 

 

You are welcome to my specs anytime Steve!