Gawn without a third man up?

[_H_ 37]

Any thoughts on Gawn at stoppages with no third man up?

 

Cam Mooney on SEN yesterday predicting MFC to score heavily from stoppages.

 

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/01/24/malthouse-third-man-up-ban-is-great/

[Adam The God 30,239]

Makes sense he'd dominate without it.

It'll be interesting to see how teams try to counter him without the third man up. 

Our rovers have to be on point, but it should allow our mids to be positioned more attacking positions from stoppages.

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

It may also give Spencer a helping hand. He has issues but his strength has always been his tap work.

Edited January 27, 2017 by fndee
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[FarNorthernD 5,861]

It will also be interesting to see how Geelong goes both with this rule and the deliberate ducking-no free-play on rule. With Biclavs and the Selwoods being the rolled gold standard of both it may unfortunately negatively impact their ability to win games. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 hour ago, fndee said:

It may also give Spencer a helping hand. He has issues but his strength has always been his tap work.

Don't wish to ignite another 'Spencer' debate but I don't agree with that.

Spencer's strong point is his competitiveness and brute strength. Tap-work is an art and Spencer is most definitely limited in that skill. Amongst other AFL specific skills. 

As for the thread, it was brought up a while ago and yeh, clearly Gawn and the mids will benefit. Stars are aligning.

A finals birth beckons. 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[Willmoy1947 4,085]

23 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Don't wish to ignite another 'Spencer' debate but I don't agree with that.

Spencer's strong point is his competitiveness and brute strength. Tap -work is an art and Spencer is most definitely is limited in his tap-work. Amongst other AFL specific skills. 

As for the thread, it was brought up a while ago and yeh, clearly Gawn and the mids will benefit. Stars are aligning.

A finals birth beckons. 

 

 

Agree here and like to add that because of Spencil strength, he will be used in more games than a lot think. Where he will be effective  i think will be in Centre Bounces where the go will be ,straight at them, and hurt them fairly, Max's forte, including his marking, there upon will be most effective at forward chances. Of course this is quite variable, but we are lucky looking at the moment.

[monoccular 17,427]

42 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

............

A finals birth beckons. 

 

 

Congratulations.  

I am neither obstetrician nor midwife, but I guess conception needs to occur about now. 

[Little Goffy 14,531]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

A finals birth beckons. 

 

 

31 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Congratulations.  

I am neither obstetrician nor midwife, but I guess conception needs to occur about now. 

Where's Daisy when we need her?

[Ted Lasso 19,513]

Gawn will be scary! The only times he was really beaten was when he was held out of contests and others got involved. I expect us to score heavily in general but especially from quality taps from Gawn. 

 

[RalphiusMaximus 6,049]

2 hours ago, fndee said:

It will also be interesting to see how Geelong goes both with this rule and the deliberate ducking-no free-play on rule. With Biclavs and the Selwoods being the rolled gold standard of both it may unfortunately negatively impact their ability to win games. 

Selwood will still get his frees.  The line will be something about how can you expect the umpires to spot a small difference in the midst of a pack of players. 

 

My answer to this would of course be "because they are professional umpires being paid to be able to spot things like that" but sadly the AFL has never taken tat approach. 

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

It's heartening to see someone in the media consistently rate Melbourne.

Not the first time Mooney has pumped up our tyres in recent times.

 

[CBDees 3,167]

Nice to see that the article  spells the merit of adding Lewis to our mid equation. Good timing (or astute foresight) injecting him into our midfield mix.

[george_on_the_outer 7,590]

14 hours ago, Abe said:

Gawn will be scary! The only times he was really beaten was when he was held out of contests and others got involved. I expect us to score heavily in general but especially from quality taps from Gawn. 

 

This is exactly what other teams used against Max last year.  It's not so much as 3rd man up, but holding down the ruckman so that another (3rd man) can get to the ball. 

So Max will be hugely advantaged by this, but so will Sandilands and other bean-poles.

[daisycutter 29,613]

agreed george

watching the 99 mfc vs nm game you referenced on the replay thread, the thing that struck me was how relatively clean the competing ruckmen were with respect to not shepherding, locking arms and wrestling. it was refreshing to watch.  this has been a bugbear of mine for years. it was not always like that and the umps used to be strict on the use of arms  for other than the ball. if the afl can clean that aspect up over time we might return to good clean rucking contests. lack of third man up will help with the congestion and limit some of the wrestling

Edited January 28, 2017 by daisycutter

[ILLDieADemon 804]

The Maxy Tap over head special will be happening all over the ground. 

[DEE fence 5,009]

On 27/01/2017 at 11:35 AM, stevethemanjordan said:

Don't wish to ignite another 'Spencer' debate but I don't agree with that.

Spencer's strong point is his competitiveness and brute strength. Tap-work is an art and Spencer is most definitely limited in that skill. Amongst other AFL specific skills. 

As for the thread, it was brought up a while ago and yeh, clearly Gawn and the mids will benefit. Stars are aligning.

A finals birth beckons. 

 

 

We deserve it, I'm still dirty about how the circle reduced Jeff White's jump...

[Big Kev 365]

12 hours ago, ILLDieADemon said:

The Maxy Tap over head special will be happening all over the ground. 

As long as it doesn't happen at the centre bounce when all our players are on the other side of him as against St Kilda and cost us the game.

[DeeSpencer 25,687]

Gawn without a 3rd man up - good.

Watts, Pedda, Weeds, Spencer etc without a 3rd man up - worrying. 

That said, 3rd man up at centre clearances wasn't allowed, 3rd man ups at boundary throw ins were hard to do anyway. It's really the around the ground ball ups for the 25% of time Gawn isn't in that are the concern.

[Tim 3,418]

On 1/27/2017 at 9:23 PM, fndee said:

It will also be interesting to see how Geelong goes both with this rule and the deliberate ducking-no free-play on rule. With Biclavs and the Selwoods being the rolled gold standard of both it may unfortunately negatively impact their ability to win games. 

Broadly agree, fn, except for highlighted word.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

Look to last year's two St Kilda games for pointers. Hickey did a good job on Gawn.  How & why?

Round 6

Gawn: 13 disposals and 38 hit outs. Hickey: 13/36.

Round 17

Gawn 11/36. Hickey 21/27.

[DeeSpencer 25,687]

35 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

Look to last year's two St Kilda games for pointers. Hickey did a good job on Gawn.  How & why?

Round 6

Gawn: 13 disposals and 38 hit outs. Hickey: 13/36.

Round 17

Gawn 11/36. Hickey 21/27.

Hickey is a tall, lean, wiry type ruckman, similar to Gawn but not as big. He doesn't try to overpower Gawn or out leap him he combats him with smarts. In that second game Riewoldt had 4 hit outs, Ross 4 and Acres 3, so they used 3rd man up to control Gawn as well. 

The disposal difference in the 2nd game could be a lot to do with it being the post Darwin game. As well as Gawn going forward for a lot of the 2nd half of that game to give us a different path to goal IIRC. Tom McDonald/Watts took the ruck duties I think?

[Demon trucker 1,800]

Good 

[Demon trucker 1,800]

On 29/01/2017 at 10:05 AM, DaisyDeeciple said:

We deserve it, I'm still dirty about how the circle reduced Jeff White's jump...

He still got all Australian after circles were put in

[rjay 24,919]

17 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

He still got all Australian after circles were put in

The centre bounce rule was changed in 2005, White was All Australian in 2004.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

2 hours ago, rjay said:

The centre bounce rule was changed in 2005, White was All Australian in 2004.

U are wrong the extra circle was put in 2004 not 2005 loiok up ruck rules on wiki  

Edited February 1, 2017 by Demonland
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