4 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

macca's notes basically put a line through garland as anything other than depth.

Yeah seems like he's been written off. Hopefully for his sake he can play a role as he'll likely be gone after his contract ends at this rate.

3 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

macca's notes basically put a line through garland as anything other than depth.

In a roundabout way.... sort of...

"spots for competition are very competitive, so everyone is going to need to play well to ensure they get their spot, which is good"

 

 

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Also the idea of the combined kicking and decision making skills of Frost, Oscar and Tom McDonald wasn't all that appealing, it should be more so as they get more experience. 

Whilst I think we'll improve overall next year, I still see our kicking efficiency and lack of really great users being a killer for us during games, especially against the best sides. 

I still think we're far too hit and miss. 

It still amazes me that Nathan Jones has really been the only player to go from being an ordinary user of the ball to one of our most reliable users. We need many more to take a similar trajectory including Brayshaw, Viney, Tyson, Petracca, Kent etc.

 

Edited January 7, 20178 yr by stevethemanjordan

9 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Whilst I think we'll improve overall next year, I still see our kicking efficiency and lack of really great users being a killer for us during games, especially against the best sides. 

I still think we're far too hit and miss. 

It still amazes me that Nathan Jones has really been the only player to go from being an ordinary user of the ball to one of our most reliable users. We need many more to take a similar trajectory including Brayshaw, Viney, Tyson, Petracca, Kent etc.

 

We've "imported" a couple of great kicks, so hopefully they can not only improve our kicking on game day but also start to show the younger lads how to improve your foot skills.

 

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

In a roundabout way.... sort of...

"spots for competition are very competitive, so everyone is going to need to play well to ensure they get their spot, which is good"

 

 

Laying down the challenge, if he is good enough he can win his spot back but it won't be easy 

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Whilst I think we'll improve overall next year, I still see our kicking efficiency and lack of really great users being a killer for us during games, especially against the best sides. 

I still think we're far too hit and miss. 

It still amazes me that Nathan Jones has really been the only player to go from being an ordinary user of the ball to one of our most reliable users. We need many more to take a similar trajectory including Brayshaw, Viney, Tyson, Petracca, Kent etc.

 

I love Viney but his kicking action is way too far gone. I'm confident in saying that he will never be a consistently damaging kick, especially over 40m. He could well improve his short kicking but his disposal by foot is easily the biggest weakness in his game. Doesn't mean he isn't a gun though.

3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Whilst I think we'll improve overall next year, I still see our kicking efficiency and lack of really great users being a killer for us during games, especially against the best sides. 

I still think we're far too hit and miss. 

It still amazes me that Nathan Jones has really been the only player to go from being an ordinary user of the ball to one of our most reliable users. We need many more to take a similar trajectory including Brayshaw, Viney, Tyson, Petracca, Kent etc.

 

Hibbard, Salem and Lewis should go a ways to fixing the problem 'steve'.

...and I would expect a few of the kids to improve this aspect of their game, especially Brayshaw also think Hunt will lift further in 2017.

Agree, no doubt it's an area we need to keep working on though.

edit: Oliver is also a very good user by foot, hopefully he uses this part of his game to more advantage at AFL level in 2017.

Edited January 7, 20178 yr by rjay

Harmes Gawn and Hannan.

http://m.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-01-08/list-update-gawn-hannan-and-harmes

On 07/01/2017 at 7:56 PM, Demonated said:

I love Viney but his kicking action is way too far gone. I'm confident in saying that he will never be a consistently damaging kick, especially over 40m. He could well improve his short kicking but his disposal by foot is easily the biggest weakness in his game. Doesn't mean he isn't a gun though.

I'm not sure he'll get to Jones level of improvement and certainly not over distance, but he kicks the ball with a lot more punch at trainings now than he did a few years ago. Hopefully he keeps improving because the burst of speed away from contests he showed in 2016 deserves to be finished off with a kick not waiting for team mates to handball to.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-01-09/list-update-hibberd-hogan-and-hulett

Describing someone as a "pretty good player" doesn't sound that good. It's like using "average" and "ordinary" to mean anything but. Hopefully McCartney was using it literally.

 

I believe that Petracca's kicking is already above average. He can improve of course, but he will be putting the ball on a sixpence in no time flat ( that's 5c for you young people ) He is cool under pressure and usually selects the right option.

46 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

I believe that Petracca's kicking is already above average. He can improve of course, but he will be putting the ball on a sixpence in no time flat ( that's 5c for you young people ) He is cool under pressure and usually selects the right option.

I Think CP5 has a tendency to try to kick it too hard. Which means he sprays the occasional one or even kick a bit of a straight floater. But as a whole I agree he is a good kick. Bright side is that tendency is easily trained out with experience.
 

These remind me of the Casey reviews from a few years ago.

8 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

These remind me of the Casey reviews from a few years ago.

Yep...

I did like the Brett Allison ones, although most complained they were too real and a bit harsh.

On 07/01/2017 at 7:56 PM, Demonated said:

I love Viney but his kicking action is way too far gone. I'm confident in saying that he will never be a consistently damaging kick, especially over 40m. He could well improve his short kicking but his disposal by foot is easily the biggest weakness in his game. Doesn't mean he isn't a gun though.

Trade or delist?

4 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-01-09/list-update-hibberd-hogan-and-hulett

Describing someone as a "pretty good player" doesn't sound that good. It's like using "average" and "ordinary" to mean anything but. Hopefully McCartney was using it literally.

 

I think McCartney is pretty straight up and with Hulett the reality might be that he doesn't have the athleticism, size or special traits to be a great player, but if he develops well as McCartney says he can mark and kick and can make a pretty nice depth or 2nd/3rd option. Not sure why he wasn't training this morning, but I'm keen to see how he goes at Casey this year and if he can get consistency in his VFL performances.

Hang on, it wpould be an outstanding recruiting selection if Hulett turns into a pretty good player given he was taken very late in the Draft and was only expected to be a Rookie selection to the Saints before we jumped in with one of the last picks.

 

List update: Hunt, Jetta and Johnstone

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-01-10/list-update-hunt-jetta-and-johnstone

 

On 07/01/2017 at 6:56 PM, Demonated said:

I love Viney but his kicking action is way too far gone. I'm confident in saying that he will never be a consistently damaging kick, especially over 40m. He could well improve his short kicking but his disposal by foot is easily the biggest weakness in his game. Doesn't mean he isn't a gun though.

Same was said of his dad early in his career, but Todd did work on it and did become pretty reliable in his disposal.

As I remember, Todd was a far worse kick at the start than is Jack. 

On 9/1/2017 at 11:50 AM, pineapple dee said:

I believe that Petracca's kicking is already above average. He can improve of course, but he will be putting the ball on a sixpence in no time flat ( that's 5c for you young people ) He is cool under pressure and usually selects the right option.

The boy has elite punch in his kick. 

23 hours ago, monoccular said:

Same was said of his dad early in his career, but Todd did work on it and did become pretty reliable in his disposal.

As I remember, Todd was a far worse kick at the start than is Jack. 

I watched Todds entire career with the Dees and Jack is definitely a better kick, perhaps with a little less penetration.

These are on the lesser end of the informative scale for mine.

17 minutes ago, Nasher said:

These are on the lesser end of the informative scale for mine.

Yeah i agree but for those that arnt on forums like this it may very well be all they hear. We probably arnt the target deomographic.

On 09/01/2017 at 11:36 PM, goodwindees said:

Hang on, it wpould be an outstanding recruiting selection if Hulett turns into a pretty good player given he was taken very late in the Draft and was only expected to be a Rookie selection to the Saints before we jumped in with one of the last picks.

 

Hulett was picked up earlier in the draft than Tom McDonald, Oscar McDonald and Jadyen Hunt, off the top of my head to name just a few, so he was hardly pick 86 or the like.

He would be expected to keep his gradual progression of improvement up this year and push for a spot mid-late year I'd imagine

36 minutes ago, Nasher said:

These are on the lesser end of the informative scale for mine.

True, but then they aren't a whole lot different from a training report really.  They are a 'lite' version.