Training - Wednesday 16th November, 2016

[old dee 23,420]

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

no mandy, i don't think so. when people start putting money first, they end up wanting more and more and never get enough

no, we need to find a new saty

Or make a donation!

[Satyriconhome 10,329]

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

no mandy, i don't think so. when people start putting money first, they end up wanting more and more and never get enough

no, we need to find a new saty

Sorry Daisy found a new pedal for my synths that I wouldn't mind owning, will be there on Friday morning, camera at the ready, still a few I haven't got yet

[In Harmes Way 7,692]

35 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

no mandy, i don't think so. when people start putting money first, they end up wanting more and more and never get enough

no, we need to find a new saty

I'm slim Saty, yes I'm the real Saty, all the other slim saty's are just imitating - so won't the real Saty please stand up...

[Satyriconhome 10,329]

8 minutes ago, small but forward said:

I'm slim Saty, yes I'm the real Saty, all the other slim saty's are just imitating - so won't the real Saty please stand up...

I try standing up, but at my age, it is an effort

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Sorry Daisy found a new pedal for my synths that I wouldn't mind owning, will be there on Friday morning, camera at the ready, still a few I haven't got yet

 

Amazing.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

7 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

A brief look in today. Officially a closed session I think so no media around.

Gawn back on the track look good. 

Lots of small group drills. Practising contested marking, forward line movement, tackling, ground balls, spoils, short kicks inside 50, long bombs deep inside 50. The lot. Different coaches doing different drills and getting to work.

Probably the most interesting bit was the running. 

Bugg, Maynard, Joel Smith, McKenna all went back to AAMI. As did Tommy Mc, Melksham and JKH who were in the rehab group.

A group of Gawn, Hunt, Weideman, Hulett, Kennedy, Frost were doing timed 200m runs down the Punt road wing. Gawn just keeps pounding as the got in to the repetitions. Frosty started to struggle. The others battled on well.

Dean Kent and Nath Jones were doing the same on the city side wing. Kent stuck with Jones for a few. Then Jones sat out and Cross took over pacing Kenty, he was working hard.

Meanwhile the midfielders who doing longer timed runs varying from half a lap to 1 lap to a few laps. ANB led out most of them with White towards the front. Brayshaw was really strong as they went longer with Jones especially encouraging him (and all the guys) to step it up. Wagner, Salem, Harmes, Stretch were all running well and not far from the front and mixing the order with the first few depending on the individual set. That's the good news.

I guess the less positive news was that Oliver was dropped early in the quicker repeats and Petracca was gapped as well. I was impressed by Max Rooke who took  it upon himself to run with Clarry and then Troy Chaplin joined in too for a few laps. They had a big long run to finish and Oliver tried pretty hard to stay up to the group and then Tracc was back behind him, they were probably 100m or so behind over the course of 3 or so laps. Both are just heavier in the legs than most of our players and they run like it. To take the glass half full approach it really was impressive what both boys did last year at AFL level coming off limited preseasons and fitness bases. They got plenty of encouragement from the coaches and both shared a high five when the running was done. 

These two strike me as players who will take time to build their tank, and it's heartening in some ways to see them still putting in as much as they can.  Both are young and are still learning, albeit slower than others, what it takes to make it at this level.  I have every faith in our coaching group to get them there,

Cheers for the terrific info as always DS.

[DEE fence 4,909]

So went to my first training ever, was with my brother and my 16 month old kid, had an unexpected week back in Oz. I presumed there were some landers about but didn't have a clue to say hello too.

We got there just as they were setting up. This is not exhaustive but the people we didn't see were Lumumba, Watts, Trengove, (Garland was doing the Tan), Pedersen, Gartlett and Lewis. Stayed till the end.

Some additional comments about the running:

Oliver looks like he has the most work of anyone to do fitness wise. It was a reminder that you are nude on the running track when the coaches are watching, there is no place to hide. He copped a very steady eyeball from Goodwin but was given some verbal encouragement at the end by everyone. Trac went out to hard early and was shot, when he finished last in the last lap he punched the ground and said 'I suck' he was not joking. There was love for him but you can tell he is driven, I do not expect him to be last for long, his thighs are amazing, he looks like he should be in a Marvel film. He wastes a huge amount of energy with his running style, being such a big unit I reckon he should cop some specialist coaching he will find speed from improved efficiency. Angus looks settled. 

Jones has the most perfect gait, he was torching Kent and he was running the wider track, is looking super fit. Kent is a solid unit, I really hope he can lift his defensive efforts this season, it is where I think he can really make a name for himself with his strength.

Neal-Bullen is trying to be a small forward, (work in progress) his running is elite, he is not going to die wondering about his place, he is certainly trying to make the senior squad.

Kennedy was 'clumsy' (this is by AFL standard)  today, he seemed to have the yips when he was kicking for goal. He also is far from fit enough for the midfield at this stage.

Melksham is a pretty ordinary kick, no better than McDonald, looks lean though. Hibbered was ok, the two category B rookies (names escape me Smith's son and the other one who were basketballers) both looked like they belong, could see them being players.

Tom McDonald is a machine doing laps, fresh scar tissue on his shoulder on it is still angry from whenever it was done (I've never seen it without tape before).

Coaches:

Cross still looks like he should be playing and I'm sorry to say he is fitter than about 3/4 of the list.

McCarthy was very verbal and chatting over the fence, unsolicited he offered that they were teaching them everything and made some quite negative comments about the Neeld era. He also mentioned that they are teaching the new coaches as well. I didn't get a read on Goodwin. I could see that he was taking the most interest in the contested drills. The culture was very positive in general I didn't see any sniping. 

Gawn has an amazing confidence and an even better desire to learn, no sign of hubris at all, very reassuring that his approach genuinely seems to be 'I will get better'. Stafford the ruck coach won a contest after McCarthy miskicked it, his words (first one in a hundered that I've won). Everything Gawn did he had a go, he was also doing some drills with Jetta who I rate highly but he was not going 100 % there were a few who seemed to be on various restrictions.

Was a pleasure to see them using the footies, is funny I had always thought everyone would be a superstar in practise with the footy but you can see the decision makers from those that react and those that are natural kicks and those that are not mirror match play.

Salem is the best kick we have, doesn't quite have the hoof of Bernie (and we are talking a shade of difference) but there is something about Salems hands, when he receives the ball there is this micro adjustment and the ball is perfectly centred in his hands (running or still) ready for the shortest ball drop of any we saw today. Has a very nice draw to his kick as well. While I was already a wrap for Salem, if he gets a tank he could be a more industrious Yze, didn't realise how much upside he had till i saw him kicking in person (my brother and I spent the afternoon trying to mimic his ball drop ) Hunt is bigger than I thought he would be.

Hogan's stutter step isn't as bad in the flesh, he moves well but he really needs to go to a lab, he is still not kicking through the ball from a set shot, as soon as he does he will get another 15-20m distance. 

Still jet lagged, if I remember other stuff will write it up.

[AzzKikA 2,371]

Could Jesse's back problem be the reason for not following through with his kicking?

[Dante 2,703]

16 hours ago, daisycutter said:

no mandy, i don't think so. when people start putting money first, they end up wanting more and more and never get enough

no, we need to find a new saty

Some people are never Saty-sfied.

[ManDee 7,124]

16 hours ago, daisycutter said:

no mandy, i don't think so. when people start putting money first, they end up wanting more and more and never get enough

no, we need to find a new saty

Be careful what you wish for daisy.

[Rohan 19]

On 16 November 2016 at 11:07 PM, DaisyDeeciple said:

So went to my first training ever, was with my brother and my 16 month old kid, had an unexpected week back in Oz. I presumed there were some landers about but didn't have a clue to say hello too.

We got there just as they were setting up. This is not exhaustive but the people we didn't see were Lumumba, Watts, Trengove, (Garland was doing the Tan), Pedersen, Gartlett and Lewis. Stayed till the end.

Some additional comments about the running:

Oliver looks like he has the most work of anyone to do fitness wise. It was a reminder that you are nude on the running track when the coaches are watching, there is no place to hide. He copped a very steady eyeball from Goodwin but was given some verbal encouragement at the end by everyone. Trac went out to hard early and was shot, when he finished last in the last lap he punched the ground and said 'I suck' he was not joking. There was love for him but you can tell he is driven, I do not expect him to be last for long, his thighs are amazing, he looks like he should be in a Marvel film. He wastes a huge amount of energy with his running style, being such a big unit I reckon he should cop some specialist coaching he will find speed from improved efficiency. Angus looks settled.

Jones has the most perfect gait, he was torching Kent and he was running the wider track, is looking super fit. Kent is a solid unit, I really hope he can lift his defensive efforts this season, it is where I think he can really make a name for himself with his strength.

Neal-Bullen is trying to be a small forward, (work in progress) his running is elite, he is not going to die wondering about his place, he is certainly trying to make the senior squad.

Kennedy was 'clumsy' (this is by AFL standard)  today, he seemed to have the yips when he was kicking for goal. He also is far from fit enough for the midfield at this stage.

Melksham is a pretty ordinary kick, no better than McDonald, looks lean though. Hibbered was ok, the two category B rookies (names escape me Smith's son and the other one who were basketballers) both looked like they belong, could see them being players.

Tom McDonald is a machine doing laps, fresh scar tissue on his shoulder on it is still angry from whenever it was done (I've never seen it without tape before).

Coaches:

Cross still looks like he should be playing and I'm sorry to say he is fitter than about 3/4 of the list.

McCarthy was very verbal and chatting over the fence, unsolicited he offered that they were teaching them everything and made some quite negative comments about the Neeld era. He also mentioned that they are teaching the new coaches as well. I didn't get a read on Goodwin. I could see that he was taking the most interest in the contested drills. The culture was very positive in general I didn't see any sniping. 

Gawn has an amazing confidence and an even better desire to learn, no sign of hubris at all, very reassuring that his approach genuinely seems to be 'I will get better'. Stafford the ruck coach won a contest after McCarthy miskicked it, his words (first one in a hundered that I've won). Everything Gawn did he had a go, he was also doing some drills with Jetta who I rate highly but he was not going 100 % there were a few who seemed to be on various restrictions.

Was a pleasure to see them using the footies, is funny I had always thought everyone would be a superstar in practise with the footy but you can see the decision makers from those that react and those that are natural kicks and those that are not mirror match play.

Salem is the best kick we have, doesn't quite have the hoof of Bernie (and we are talking a shade of difference) but there is something about Salems hands, when he receives the ball there is this micro adjustment and the ball is perfectly centred in his hands (running or still) ready for the shortest ball drop of any we saw today. Has a very nice draw to his kick as well. While I was already a wrap for Salem, if he gets a tank he could be a more industrious Yze, didn't realise how much upside he had till i saw him kicking in person (my brother and I spent the afternoon trying to mimic his ball drop ) Hunt is bigger than I thought he would be.

Hogan's stutter step isn't as bad in the flesh, he moves well but he really needs to go to a lab, he is still not kicking through the ball from a set shot, as soon as he does he will get another 15-20m distance. 

Still jet lagged, if I remember other stuff will write it up.

Great report DD.

Don't have much to add besides BenKen was missing lots of targets in the kicking drills and Big Max copped a stray boot in the family jewels from Hogan in a marking contest which everyone thought was pretty funny (besides Max of course)

Is it you or your brother that looks a bit like R.Flower??

 

 

[DEE fence 4,909]

Well Hyphen (brother) has the glasses and looks fit and has more hair, so i assume you mean him. 

[RalphiusMaximus 6,012]

23 hours ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

So went to my first training ever...

Awesome write-up DD.  Your input is very much appreciated. 

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

On 16 November 2016 at 11:07 PM, DaisyDeeciple said:

So went to my first training ever, was with my brother and my 16 month old kid, had an unexpected week back in Oz. I presumed there were some landers about but didn't have a clue to say hello too.

We got there just as they were setting up. This is not exhaustive but the people we didn't see were Lumumba, Watts, Trengove, (Garland was doing the Tan), Pedersen, Gartlett and Lewis. Stayed till the end.

Some additional comments about the running:

Oliver looks like he has the most work of anyone to do fitness wise. It was a reminder that you are nude on the running track when the coaches are watching, there is no place to hide. He copped a very steady eyeball from Goodwin but was given some verbal encouragement at the end by everyone. Trac went out to hard early and was shot, when he finished last in the last lap he punched the ground and said 'I suck' he was not joking. There was love for him but you can tell he is driven, I do not expect him to be last for long, his thighs are amazing, he looks like he should be in a Marvel film. He wastes a huge amount of energy with his running style, being such a big unit I reckon he should cop some specialist coaching he will find speed from improved efficiency. Angus looks settled. 

Jones has the most perfect gait, he was torching Kent and he was running the wider track, is looking super fit. Kent is a solid unit, I really hope he can lift his defensive efforts this season, it is where I think he can really make a name for himself with his strength.

Neal-Bullen is trying to be a small forward, (work in progress) his running is elite, he is not going to die wondering about his place, he is certainly trying to make the senior squad.

Kennedy was 'clumsy' (this is by AFL standard)  today, he seemed to have the yips when he was kicking for goal. He also is far from fit enough for the midfield at this stage.

Melksham is a pretty ordinary kick, no better than McDonald, looks lean though. Hibbered was ok, the two category B rookies (names escape me Smith's son and the other one who were basketballers) both looked like they belong, could see them being players.

Tom McDonald is a machine doing laps, fresh scar tissue on his shoulder on it is still angry from whenever it was done (I've never seen it without tape before).

Coaches:

Cross still looks like he should be playing and I'm sorry to say he is fitter than about 3/4 of the list.

McCarthy was very verbal and chatting over the fence, unsolicited he offered that they were teaching them everything and made some quite negative comments about the Neeld era. He also mentioned that they are teaching the new coaches as well. I didn't get a read on Goodwin. I could see that he was taking the most interest in the contested drills. The culture was very positive in general I didn't see any sniping. 

Gawn has an amazing confidence and an even better desire to learn, no sign of hubris at all, very reassuring that his approach genuinely seems to be 'I will get better'. Stafford the ruck coach won a contest after McCarthy miskicked it, his words (first one in a hundered that I've won). Everything Gawn did he had a go, he was also doing some drills with Jetta who I rate highly but he was not going 100 % there were a few who seemed to be on various restrictions.

Was a pleasure to see them using the footies, is funny I had always thought everyone would be a superstar in practise with the footy but you can see the decision makers from those that react and those that are natural kicks and those that are not mirror match play.

Salem is the best kick we have, doesn't quite have the hoof of Bernie (and we are talking a shade of difference) but there is something about Salems hands, when he receives the ball there is this micro adjustment and the ball is perfectly centred in his hands (running or still) ready for the shortest ball drop of any we saw today. Has a very nice draw to his kick as well. While I was already a wrap for Salem, if he gets a tank he could be a more industrious Yze, didn't realise how much upside he had till i saw him kicking in person (my brother and I spent the afternoon trying to mimic his ball drop ) Hunt is bigger than I thought he would be.

Hogan's stutter step isn't as bad in the flesh, he moves well but he really needs to go to a lab, he is still not kicking through the ball from a set shot, as soon as he does he will get another 15-20m distance. 

Still jet lagged, if I remember other stuff will write it up.

This is an absolutely sensational report. 

 

[nutbean 8,837]

On 11/16/2016 at 11:07 PM, DaisyDeeciple said:

 

McCarthy was very verbal and chatting over the fence, unsolicited he offered that they were teaching them everything and made some quite negative comments about the Neeld era. He also mentioned that they are teaching the new coaches as well. I didn't get a read on Goodwin. I could see that he was taking the most interest in the contested drills. The culture was very positive in general I didn't see any sniping. 

 

Firstly  - a great report.

 

I am going open up this old chestnut  - drafting vs development. We have drafted some poor choices in the past but the idea that you can  take young raw talent into the club, throw them onto the field and say " please thrive" is such blatant nonsense.

To me this culture of teaching and educating will be Roos biggest legacy. He brought in a teaching team and made it clear to all at that club that drafting well is only half the equation - you also need to teach and develop the talent once it gets to your club. 

[AzzKikA 2,371]

10 minutes ago, nutbean said:

Firstly  - a great report.

 

I am going open up this old chestnut  - drafting vs development. We have drafted some poor choices in the past but the idea that you can  take young raw talent into the club, throw them onto the field and say " please thrive" is such blatant nonsense.

To me this culture of teaching and educating will be Roos biggest legacy. He brought in a teaching team and made it clear to all at that club that drafting well is only half the equation - you also need to teach and develop the talent once it gets to your club. 

Well said nutty.