7 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Not sure I see where the "mess" is. It's supposedly not on any banned list and looks like it's being tested by actual scientist/medicos.

It seems to fit more into the pain relief category than the performance boost category.

If it's suss the AFL can ban it.

Whateley's nose for this kind of news is way off anyway. He tried to wave away the EFC drug scandal, and don't try to talk to him about Damien Oliver. You'll hear a whooshing sound from how quickly he changes the subject.

 

11 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The thing I found odd from the article is that while they have the ok to use it, the product is still to be fully tested and is not on the market ye,t so the 40 to 50 AFL players are being used as guinea pigs. 

Clearly, the product is not illegal but hopefully club doctors have told those 40 to 50 players any potential side affects etc.

NOT a banned substance

Being used under special permit meaning that it will be carefully monitored, and unlike EssUndone records will be kept 

So, very different from Hird and Danks’ secret human experimentation 

7 minutes ago, monoccular said:

 

NOT a banned substance

Being used under special permit meaning that it will be carefully monitored, and unlike EssUndone records will be kept 

So, very different from Hird and Danks’ secret human experimentation 

I didn't connect it to anything at EFC and know it is not banned from an ASADA view.  Nor is it illegal in a medical sense.

But the players are still guinea pigs, as is anyone who participates in a trial for new pharmaceuticals.  My point was that hopefully players know what potential risks the product holds as it as not yet been fully tested on humans.  That is what their Phase 2 testing will be.

Edited April 5, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The thing I found odd from the article is that while they have the ok to use it, the product is still to be fully tested and is not on the market ye,t so the 40 to 50 AFL players are being used as guinea pigs. 

Clearly, the product is not illegal but hopefully club doctors have told those 40 to 50 players any potential side affects etc.

 

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I didn't connect it to anything at EFC and know it is not banned from an ASADA view.  Nor is it illegal in a medical sense.

But the players are still guinea pigs, as is anyone who participates in a trial for new pharmaceuticals.  My point was that hopefully players know what potential risks the product holds as it as not yet been fully tested on humans.  That is what their Phase 2 testing will be.

According to the CEO of the distributing company the product has been on the market for 70 years so it's been more than fully tested on humans. Just not used in this way until recently.

13 hours ago, rjay said:

According to the CEO of the distributing company the product has been on the market for 70 years so it's been more than fully tested on humans. Just not used in this way until recently.

Is that an update or did I miss something - the article referred to Phase 2 testing before' it' being released to the general market in a few years ie not needing special permission to use. 

Nonetheless, I'm in full agreement with your original post that you/I hope MFC are not into it and that everyone especially the AFL, has there eyes wide open.

 

Edit:  there seems to be some inaccuracy in what has been reported.  I just came across this https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-legend-malcolm-blight-concerned-footballers-are-being-used-as-lab-rats-for-trial-drugs/news-story/58aad17fbaa46917f7b60148e3e313d8

Quotes:

• Malcolm Blight has voiced his concern that footballers are being used as ‘lab rats’ for trial drugs following reports players are using a new ‘wonder drug’ to cure knee, hip and groin pain. 
• [The CEO], Rennie told the Herald Sun that it was approved by the AFL’s chief medical officer Dr Peter Harcourt, with the report saying that the drug was being accessed by AFL players under the Therapeutic Goods Administration’s ‘special access scheme’.
• However, the AFL has since provided a statement saying “Dr Peter Harcourt did not approve this medication”.
• It has left the players allegedly using this drug in the lurch..

It wouldn't be the first time a company has made claims to keep their share price up.

Anyway, very confusing.  Suspect there is more to come.

Edited April 5, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Is that an update or did I miss something - the article referred to Phase 2 testing before' it' being released to the general market in a few years ie not needing special permission to use. 

Nonetheless, I'm in full agreement with your original post that you/I hope MFC are not into it and that everyone especially the AFL, has there eyes wide open.

 

Edit:  there seems to be some inaccuracy in what has been reported.  I just came across this https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-legend-malcolm-blight-concerned-footballers-are-being-used-as-lab-rats-for-trial-drugs/news-story/58aad17fbaa46917f7b60148e3e313d8

Quotes:

• Malcolm Blight has voiced his concern that footballers are being used as ‘lab rats’ for trial drugs following reports players are using a new ‘wonder drug’ to cure knee, hip and groin pain. 
• [The CEO], Rennie told the Herald Sun that it was approved by the AFL’s chief medical officer Dr Peter Harcourt, with the report saying that the drug was being accessed by AFL players under the Therapeutic Goods Administration’s ‘special access scheme’.
• However, the AFL has since provided a statement saying “Dr Peter Harcourt did not approve this medication”.
• It has left the players allegedly using this drug in the lurch..

It wouldn't be the first time a company has made claims to keep their share price up.

Anyway, very confusing.  Suspect there is more to come.

think there is a game of semantics being played out here, lucy

all about what "approved" means

afl are saying not approved as in recommended but approved as in allowed or nothing to stop it

company is trying to treat approved as meaning afl sanctioned

16 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The thing I found odd from the article is that while they have the ok to use it, the product is still to be fully tested and is not on the market ye,t so the 40 to 50 AFL players are being used as guinea pigs. 

Clearly, the product is not illegal but hopefully club doctors have told those 40 to 50 players any potential side affects etc.

This drug has been in use for years. I can't recall exactly but it was something like women's issues in the uterus. This is simply a use they have discovered like - oh, it takes away hip and knee pain as well? Great let's try it on athletes. Hardly dangerous stuff.

It would be like saying Aspirin is great for headaches but we just discovered it increases blood flow to the achilles tendon. 

Nothing to see here.

The drug stuff will haunt them for years.  You cant just put something like that behind you so easily as a club or as a player.  Any player who stayed at Essendon after all that made a huge mistake.

Theres every chance it has ruined their culture for good

 

8 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

The drug stuff will haunt them for years.  You cant just put something like that behind you so easily as a club or as a player.  Any player who stayed at Essendon after all that made a huge mistake.

Theres every chance it has ruined their culture for good

 

Please explain how it’s ruined their culture for good?

Anyone having a small dejavu with the crows run of soft tissue injuries? It was the first sign all those years ago that the bombers were in fact drug cheats and that that was the cause of it. Surely no club could ever repeat that mistake?? But it IS interesting. I'll keep watching that space.

34 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

The drug stuff will haunt them for years.  You cant just put something like that behind you so easily as a club or as a player.  Any player who stayed at Essendon after all that made a huge mistake.

Theres every chance it has ruined their culture for good

 

Hyperbole

 

5 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Hyperbole

 

possibly, but also justice (until the club stops playing the victim and confesses and apologises)

Edited April 30, 20186 yr by sue

7 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Hyperbole

 

Possibly...but one can hope

It will linger like a bad smell for years, but they will eventually snap out of it.

28 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Hyperbowl

 

Is that the next big stadium being built?

55 minutes ago, Danelska said:

Please explain how it’s ruined their culture for good?

It dragged on for years, the club are now known as Essendrug (at least thats what I call them).

Their favorite son Hird left in disgrace and may never return. Half their team was suspended by WADA.   This stuff will linger for a long time. They are shambles right now.

 Drug and culture stuff aside I don't rate their list either, their midfield is putrid and they have wasted their top picks on small mids who don't get their hands dirty.  Reminds me of Melbournes drafting circa 2008-2013.

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

The drug stuff will haunt them for years.  You cant just put something like that behind you so easily as a club or as a player.  Any player who stayed at Essendon after all that made a huge mistake.

Theres every chance it has ruined their culture for good

 

The problem with this theory is that Essendon played finals last year. It's hard to see how that fits your narrative. It's just possible that they're struggling this year for other reasons, not the least being that three of their losses have been against potentially good teams (Freo, Collingwood and Melbourne). Add to that, their two wins are, somewhat ironically, probably against teams better than the ones they've lost to. 

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/crime-court/court-hears-ecstasy-tablets-found-in-mark-bomber-thompsons-bedroom-during-raid-at-port-melbourne-home/news-story/129f286fa59de9f3705b92167bc8d00a

 

ECSTASY tablets and ice pipes were found in Mark ‘Bomber’ Thompson’s locked bedroom during a drug raid on his home, a court has heard.

Police also allege the AFL premiership-winning coach’s DNA was found on packaging containing more than 33g of ice, 4.2g of amphetamines and an LSD tablet.

 

*yawn*

I could never understand the hype about the players they traded in, they traded just more of the same they already had on their list. Stringer will never work hard enough only runs one way, adam sadd is quick but is no good one on one he can't defend, Devon smith goes alright, parish will never be a great inside mid he has the body of a outside player, they don't have any tough players, their captain is a little boy who can't stand up to Goddard. With Goddard in their team they will go nowhere, he is past his best and demands from players what he won't do himself, no one listens to a hypocrite just makes him look like a big mouth.

9 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

*yawn*

Moony fcs...if you reap no interest nor enjoyment from the thread or more the point Essendons demise (and by extension any of it's cronies ) look away ...look away.

Yawning not your gig

Edited April 30, 20186 yr by beelzebub

2 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

I could never understand the hype about the players they traded in, they traded just more of the same they already had on their list. Stringer will never work hard enough only runs one way, adam sadd is quick but is no good one on one he can't defend, Devon smith goes alright, parish will never be a great inside mid he has the body of a outside player, they don't have any tough players, their captain is a little boy who can't stand up to Goddard. With Goddard in their team they will go nowhere, he is past his best and demands from players what he won't do himself, no one listens to a hypocrite just makes him look like a big mouth.

Merret goes OK though

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Merret goes OK though

Would be there perfect addition to our list...

Wow hasn't bomber lost his way. Now charged with a range of things. Should have stayed at geelong instead of trusting turd

Just now, dees189227 said:

Wow hasn't bomber lost his way. Now charged with a range of things. Should have stayed at geelong instead of trusting turd

Some might say the Karma bus simply picked up a passenger.

I'll just leave this here. Personally, I don't think there should be any further comment given the seriousness of the matter. 

 

Edited May 1, 20186 yr by La Dee-vina Comedia
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