The West Coast allegations deserve consideration but not in a way that detracts from the Essendon saga

Edited March 22, 20178 yr by Diamond_Jim
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9 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I wonder how many clubs have won games, finals or premierships with players under the influence of illicit drugs?  Maybe even won premierships with players on one or two strikes.

 

2 hours ago, binman said:

The Wet Coke 20006 flag tainted? not in my book. In fact i reckon they deserve more kudos. After all still being able to win a flag after a decade long tear is quite some feat. 

I would think their earlier flags are a bit dubious...

The early 90's was an interesting time in football and a player had to be counted very unlucky to be caught out with PE drugs in the system.

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The West Coast allegations deserve consideration but not in a way that detracts from the Essendon saga

i wonder which essendope supporter leaked this report to the hun after 9 long years.......of course they want it to distract

3 hours ago, binman said:

The Wet Coke 20006 flag tainted? not in my book. In fact i reckon they deserve more kudos. After all still being able to win a flag after a decade long tear is quite some feat. 

I was at that game, they could have played another 4 quarters they were that juiced..

35 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i wonder which essendope supporter leaked this report to the hun after 9 long years.......of course they want it to distract

Maybe Hun scribe James Hird will finally start telling the truth?  About what happened at other clubs of course. 

39 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i wonder which essendope supporter leaked this report to the hun after 9 long years.......of course they want it to distract

Slobbo

31 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Slobbo

huh? he leaked it to himself?

the question is, who leaked it to the hun/slobbo? there have been known essendon supporters in the afl commission in recent years. there is a good story here and so far no-one seems to be pursuing it

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I was at that game, they could have played another 4 quarters they were that juiced..

 

2 hours ago, rjay said:

 

I would think their earlier flags are a bit dubious...

The early 90's was an interesting time in football and a player had to be counted very unlucky to be caught out with PE drugs in the system.

The 90's were a blur for me also.

The drugs were plentiful .

I remember that much.

15 minutes ago, Biffen said:

 

The 90's were a blur for me also.

The drugs were plentiful .

I remember that much.

You probably could've taken those words from the AFL commish during the 90s Biff. There was plenty to go around then.

Ive noticed on the h/sun site they are detailing a story about Armstrong and misleading police about the details. Wasnt he going at with Robbo's sister at one stage? I remember at a b&f one night he told the story about letting Armer live with him and had no clue what was going on. 

Also noticed Turd has written an article about r1 and how it feels as a coach. Yay cant wait to read that. 

9 hours ago, Biffen said:

 

The 90's were a blur for me also.

The drugs were plentiful .

I remember that much.

The Lindentree was right across the road...

Gil comes out and says that the Gillard report cleared the club and recommended no action.

On 3AW... the Sun to report tomorrow that this was not the whole story.

Gillard was asked to report in 2007 whether the pre 2007 unbecoming conduct by the Eagles had been cleaned up. He was not asked to report on the pre 2007 conduct.

Gillard reported that yes what had happened pre 2007 was no longer happening.

Summary.... the Eagles were never reprimanded in any way for their pre 2007 misconduct.

Another cover up in 2007 but what is worse a spin on the real story..... When is the AFL going to get it that it needs to admit the faults of the past and only then can it move on.

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Gil comes out and says that the Gillard report cleared the club and recommended no action.

On 3AW... the Sun to report tomorrow that this was not the whole story.

Gillard was asked to report in 2007 whether the pre 2007 unbecoming conduct by the Eagles had been cleaned up. He was not asked to report on the pre 2007 conduct.

Gillard reported that yes what had happened pre 2007 was no longer happening.

Summary.... the Eagles were never reprimanded in any way for their pre 2007 misconduct.

Another cover up in 2007 but what is worse a spin on the real story..... When is the AFL going to get it that it needs to admit the faults of the past and only then can it move on.

As long as fans still watch the game The AFL doesn't have to do anything, and they know it. 

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Gil comes out and says that the Gillard report cleared the club and recommended no action.

On 3AW... the Sun to report tomorrow that this was not the whole story.

Gillard was asked to report in 2007 whether the pre 2007 unbecoming conduct by the Eagles had been cleaned up. He was not asked to report on the pre 2007 conduct.

Gillard reported that yes what had happened pre 2007 was no longer happening.

Summary.... the Eagles were never reprimanded in any way for their pre 2007 misconduct.

Another cover up in 2007 but what is worse a spin on the real story..... When is the AFL going to get it that it needs to admit the faults of the past and only then can it move on.

Embarrassing. If it happened, own it and clean it up. It was 10 years ago and it appears no other club is like that.

But it happened.

The EFC win just proves how badly they tanked last year.  Their 2016 season and the #1 pick were a complete farce.

Worsfold had form!  In 2010 he tanked WCE to the bottom of the ladder collected the top draft pick then played the prelim final the next year!  Only difference is last year he had the AFL's blessing.

Didn't see much in the media after the game about Roughy's comeback!  Nauseating media coverage of last nights game!

47 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The EFC win just proves how badly they tanked last year.  Their 2016 season and the #1 pick were a complete farce.

Worsfold had form!  In 2010 he tanked WCE to the bottom of the ladder collected the top draft pick then played the prelim final the next year!  Only difference is last year he had the AFL's blessing.

Didn't see much in the media after the game about Roughy's comeback!  Nauseating media coverage of last nights game!

Probably just like the Chinese swimming team is reported in China. But I wonder if they pretend to have the moral high ground when others cheat like we do.

I think  last nights win says more a about the hawk's then the drug users, the bummers are on a high at the moment, a bit like when they beat us last year, they will have a good half year but like always they will have  a bad second half seasons.

After Essendon beat Hawthown you can definetely say cheats do prosper.                                                      

today's h-efc-un had acres of column space on the druggies. you'd think there was no other afl games on yesterday. 

32 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

After Essendon beat Hawthown you can definetely say cheats do prosper.                                                      

I think they have not prospered, u cant punish them forever, the only thing is their first pick should of been the last pick in the first round 

Just heard Brent Stanton on the ABC radio talking about last night and their comeback. He used the term "supplement saga". WTF? As usual no comment from the media.

1 hour ago, don't make me angry said:

I think they have not prospered, u cant punish them forever, the only thing is their first pick should of been the last pick in the first round 

With the club refusing to provide documentation on what was injected it's impossible to know what long term benefits these players have gained. I find it completely unnaceptable they've been allowed to remain at the instigating club, and rather they should have been farmed out across the league via some kind of mini draft mechanism or the like. The so called 'top-ups' from last year should've been the new list and they rebuild from there. It's simply not good enough to allow that club to reap any potential benefits from blatant cheating. Let's hope The Verve got it right and the drugs don't work! With their track record, I'd also guarantee their little compensation payouts have tainted the salary cap, so yet another leg up for the poor victim club.

As for the commentary on last nights game, I don't think I've ever heard anything so sickening. The poor players who've been put through so much because of the drugs saga. It wasn't a [censored] saga, it was blatant cheating by means of an illegal PE drug injection program. They are not the victims, they are not heros, they are officially the cheats. The only reason it went on so long is because they tried to slow everything down and worm their way out one way or anoher. By contrast, have a look at the other club involved - the Cronulla Sharks. Cheated, take your medicine (pardon the pun) and move on.

 

28 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

With the club refusing to provide documentation on what was injected it's impossible to know what long term benefits these players have gained. I find it completely unnaceptable they've been allowed to remain at the instigating club, and rather they should have been farmed out across the league via some kind of mini draft mechanism or the like. The so called 'top-ups' from last year should've been the new list and they rebuild from there. It's simply not good enough to allow that club to reap any potential benefits from blatant cheating. Let's hope The Verve got it right and the drugs don't work! With their track record, I'd also guarantee their little compensation payouts have tainted the salary cap, so yet another leg up for the poor victim club.

As for the commentary on last nights game, I don't think I've ever heard anything so sickening. The poor players who've been put through so much because of the drugs saga. It wasn't a [censored] saga, it was blatant cheating by means of an illegal PE drug injection program. They are not the victims, they are not heros, they are officially the cheats. The only reason it went on so long is because they tried to slow everything down and worm their way out one way or anoher. By contrast, have a look at the other club involved - the Cronulla Sharks. Cheated, take your medicine (pardon the pun) and move on.

 

i'm still waiting for any reporter to ask a hawthorn player "what did it feel like to play against former drug cheats?"

a question that would never be asked in this context but a question that was asked of aussie swimmers with respect to chinese swimmers

7 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i'm still waiting for any reporter to ask a hawthorn player "what did it feel like to play against former drug cheats?"

a question that would never be asked in this context but a question that was asked of aussie swimmers with respect to chinese swimmers

Everything is so disgustingly one-sided, it really is a disgrace to the league management and media. I'd go as far as to say it's the best thing that's ever happened to the EFC. They'll end up dominating the competition out of this. They know they're untouchable, they can lie, cheat, steal, do whatever it takes (cough cough) and they know it will all be positive.

[censored] off. If I didn't love my club I'd walk away. I don't know if it will happen but the other clubs should really get together and let Gil know all this [censored] needs to be toned down. He's obviously pulling the strings, with Ruperts help (or vice versa) and I'm sure other clubs supporters will have already walked away from their sport over this.

It makes me feel sick seeing all this "comeback" garbage in the media after Essendon's win...