2016 Player Review - # 8 Heritier Lumumba

[Mickey 4,684]

4 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Lumumba ready to return for Melbourne in 2017 after concussion ruined 2016

welcome back your highness  

Interesting that he now needs to play nearly every game to trigger the fourth year of his contract. It really is make or break this year

[Lucifers Hero 39,801]

5 hours ago, Mickey said:

Interesting that he now needs to play nearly every game to trigger the fourth year of his contract. It really is make or break this year

With Lumumba's concussion history and competition for spots he has his work cut out for him.  He is a proud guy and it may just be enough of a challenge for him for us to see his very best work. 

But if this comment from Ralph is correct: "Ultimately he chose not to return to football in the last months of the year despite medicos clearing him to return to the game if he felt he was ready" Lumumba may need to work extra hard on his motivation.  And I wonder if that has cost him respect among his teammates or make them wonder whether they can rely on him 'in the trenches'. 

The ball is in his court.

Edited November 6, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[Biffen 12,943]

Big competition for half back spots.

Lets hope the Prince reeks vengeance on those who ever doubted his royal supremacy.

And then they will truly know  ,whatever  and such ,that he is the true heir etc.

[jnrmac 20,065]

On 10/6/2016 at 10:16 AM, ArtificialWisdom said:

Cant get over this. I love Hunt becasue he is young exciting and brave but what he does is exactly what H does... He runs hard and uses his speed to disrupt the opponent zone. Even if his disposal is dodgy it is the run and carry that they are after. If H draws 1 or 2 defenders out of the zone then he has done his job and its then up to the forwards to win the ball wherever he kicks it. Look at JJ in the grand final, his disposal was atrocious and he still won the Norm Smith because of his disruptive run.

This is so misguided. No coach wants to see the ball run out of defence and turned straight over.

And LJ winning the Norm Smith is irrelevant yet you are saying it doesn't matter if a player turns the ball over, so long as he runs and creates some disruption? All because he might win a subjective award? OMG 

[Milesh 26]

Oh good.  So he's no longer mourning Muhammad Ali then ?!

First player cut after next year.  Take it to the bank.

[poita 3,902]

What a joke. The doctors clear him to play, but he decides he'd rather not. Then when he figures out he needs to play every game next year to trigger a contract extension, he expects the club to put him straight back in.

If the guy is serious about playing senior football again, he should front up with the kids for training this week. The extra month of holidays is for the guys who busted their guts last year, not for guys who couldn't be bothered playing. Plus, I'm pretty sure he still owes us for taking a trip to Africa when he was recovering from injury last pre season.

I've never seen a guy less interested in doing the work required to be an AFL player. I hope he is prepared to spend plenty of time at Casey next year, because hopefully we have moved well past gifting games to experienced players who are happy to coast along.

[old dee 23,791]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The contract was 3 years + 1 option based on particular criteria which until now we didn't know what that was.  Jon Ralph may be guessing a little as he doesn't say how many games Lumumba needs to play to trigger the option year.  One would guess approx 18. 

With Lumumba's concussion history and competition for spots he has his work cut out for him.  He is a proud guy and it may just be enough of a challenge for him for us to see his very best work. 

But if this comment from Ralph is correct: "Ultimately he chose not to return to football in the last months of the year despite medicos clearing him to return to the game if he felt he was ready" Lumumba may need to work extra hard on his motivation.  And I wonder if that has cost him respect among his teammates or make them wonder whether they can rely on him 'in the trenches'. 

The ball is in his court.

Agree with your comments LH.

I actually think the ball has moved on and whatever chance he had of playing regularly this coming season disappeared last year when he would not return for the last few weeks of the season. IMO the FD has moved on from HL.

He may have some use at Casey but IMO without substantial injuries I find it difficult to see him getting enough games up this year to see him at the MFC in 2018.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

38 minutes ago, poita said:

What a joke. The doctors clear him to play, but he decides he'd rather not. Then when he figures out he needs to play every game next year to trigger a contract extension, he expects the club to put him straight back in.

If the guy is serious about playing senior football again, he should front up with the kids for training this week. The extra month of holidays is for the guys who busted their guts last year, not for guys who couldn't be bothered playing. Plus, I'm pretty sure he still owes us for taking a trip to Africa when he was recovering from injury last pre season.

I've never seen a guy less interested in doing the work required to be an AFL player. I hope he is prepared to spend plenty of time at Casey next year, because hopefully we have moved well past gifting games to experienced players who are happy to coast along.

I don't know about that. Remember the story about 6 yrs ago of players deciding they didn't want to do the time trial so cancelling it on behalf of the coaches? Was that Gys?

[Lucifers Hero 39,801]

8 hours ago, old dee said:

Agree with your comments LH.

I actually think the ball has moved on and whatever chance he had of playing regularly this coming season disappeared last year when he would not return for the last few weeks of the season. IMO the FD has moved on from HL.

He may have some use at Casey but IMO without substantial injuries I find it difficult to see him getting enough games up this year to see him at the MFC in 2018.

And I agree with yours od

Given the little amount of football he played last year and as a sign of commitment it would have been good for him to have started his preseason today rather than in 4 weeks time.  His situation is not unlike Hibberd and Melksham ie a year out and they fronted up today...maybe he has also moved on...

Edited November 7, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[stuie 7,374]

11 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

With Lumumba's concussion history and competition for spots he has his work cut out for him.  He is a proud guy and it may just be enough of a challenge for him for us to see his very best work. 

But if this comment from Ralph is correct: "Ultimately he chose not to return to football in the last months of the year despite medicos clearing him to return to the game if he felt he was ready" Lumumba may need to work extra hard on his motivation.  And I wonder if that has cost him respect among his teammates or make them wonder whether they can rely on him 'in the trenches'. 

The ball is in his court.

Seriously?

Did you miss the "return to the game if he felt he was ready" part of what you quoted? Clearly he didn't feel ready, he knows his body better than the medicos who can only go by external factors. There's also the fact that knowing he needs to show his best he may have wanted to wait til after preseason given he would have been on light (if any) duties for a lot of his time out. I would say having a bloke who wants to be sure he can perform before coming back in is someone you would want "in the trenches", rather than a guy who would be pushing his luck to perform at the time.

Did you see Angus when he first came back from concussion? Why would you want to risk being rusty and not able to perform when your career is on the line? Especially as he's just watched his premiership team mate get the boot after coming back too soon time after time and never performing to his own standards.

 

[old dee 23,791]

34 minutes ago, stuie said:

Seriously?

Did you miss the "return to the game if he felt he was ready" part of what you quoted? Clearly he didn't feel ready, he knows his body better than the medicos who can only go by external factors. There's also the fact that knowing he needs to show his best he may have wanted to wait til after preseason given he would have been on light (if any) duties for a lot of his time out. I would say having a bloke who wants to be sure he can perform before coming back in is someone you would want "in the trenches", rather than a guy who would be pushing his luck to perform at the time.

Did you see Angus when he first came back from concussion? Why would you want to risk being rusty and not able to perform when your career is on the line? Especially as he's just watched his premiership team mate get the boot after coming back too soon time after time and never performing to his own standards.

 

Nice to see you up and about stuie nice to see you up and about defending the the Prince.

i fear he will go the same route as old iron hands.

time has passed him by.

The twilight of his career I feel is going to be very dim.

[stuie 7,374]

8 minutes ago, old dee said:

Nice to see you up and about stuie nice to see you up and about defending the the Prince.

i fear he will go the same route as old iron hands.

time has passed him by.

The twilight of his career I feel is going to be very dim.

He's absolutely at the tail end of his career and he has things to prove next year, but I find the assertion that he doesn't have the respect of the other players a bit far fetched and just another thinly veiled dig at a standard Demonland target.

 

[old dee 23,791]

9 minutes ago, stuie said:

He's absolutely at the tail end of his career and he has things to prove next year, but I find the assertion that he doesn't have the respect of the other players a bit far fetched and just another thinly veiled dig at a standard Demonland target.

 

I have no idea what the playing group thinks of him.

However I know a lot of Demons supporters and none of them have any time for him.

Now we are not always the best at picking a players value however I see him in the same light as a number of other players at the MFC over the 2014/5 period. We were desperate for any reasonable ability player with experience.

HL is almost the last of those players left. 

IMO he will be like Grimes was last year play well at Casey but unless there are a lot of injuries the FD have a number of others they would rather play for the medium to long term.

[stuie 7,374]

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

I have no idea what the playing group thinks of him.

However I know a lot of Demons supporters and none of them have any time for him.

We're basing team selection for 6 months time on the opinion of a few Demon supporters you know and how much time they have for him?

Righto then...

 

[Pipefitter 2,159]

I like H, but I was pretty disappointed he didn't make the effort to get to training today.

[old dee 23,791]

12 minutes ago, stuie said:

We're basing team selection for 6 months time on the opinion of a few Demon supporters you know and how much time they have for him?

Righto then...

 

Ignored the next qualifying line stuie?

 

Edited November 7, 2016 by old dee

[Milesh 26]

They wanted to delist him this year but feared the ramifications would be costly from a PR standpoint.  Instead they'll let it happen naturally.  Every chance he just walks out mid season - hopefully without fuss.

This guy is simply deranged.  The extreme opposite of Mitch Clark.  I hope we have better psych screening of players from here on.

[monoccular 17,428]

The game, and the team, has moved on a fair way since H played senior footy regularly.

It is up to him to show if he is still up to it - can't expect any favours.  IF he pushes himself with strong performances then yes he may have something to offer, but IMVHO he will be depth for 2017.

[Lucifers Hero 39,801]

13 hours ago, stuie said:

He's absolutely at the tail end of his career and he has things to prove next year, but I find the assertion that he doesn't have the respect of the other players a bit far fetched and just another thinly veiled dig at a standard Demonland target.

Stuie, I asked a question: If...

I did not assert anything.  Last time I looked 'assertion' meant a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.  I can see whose coment is closer to an assertion.

Edited November 7, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[stuie 7,374]

13 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Stuie, I asked a question: If...

I did not assert anything.  Last time I looked 'assertion' meant a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.  I know whose comment is closer to an assertion.

Fair enough, assertion was probably the wrong word. Just found that comment you made about the players not respecting him or doubting him "in the trenches" a bit of an overreaction and the type of Lumumba-bashing post I usually expect from others, not yourself.

 

[stuie 7,374]

11 hours ago, Milesh said:

They wanted to delist him this year but feared the ramifications would be costly from a PR standpoint.  Instead they'll let it happen naturally.  Every chance he just walks out mid season - hopefully without fuss.

This guy is simply deranged.  The extreme opposite of Mitch Clark.  I hope we have better psych screening of players from here on.

Shame we don't have more screening for Demonland posters sometimes....

 

[old dee 23,791]

I have seen it all now!

[hemingway 7,627]

At his best and our worst he would get a game. But as others have mentioned, he appears past his best and our list now has depth and has strengthened over the past 12 months.  We have some dash and depth. Some of his brain fades and turnovers can be as bad as you get. A high skill level with a reduced count on hand and foot turnovers is all important.  We need more than dash. I truly hope he can prove me wrong and he can have a great 2018 and not an unproductive season playing at Casey. However, Lumumba has been around long enough for me to think that 2018 will be his final season. As shown by Chris Dawes, Jack Grimes and others time waits for no man. 

[old dee 23,791]

59 minutes ago, hemingway said:

At his best and our worst he would get a game. But as others have mentioned, he appears past his best and our list now has depth and has strengthened over the past 12 months.  We have some dash and depth. Some of his brain fades and turnovers can be as bad as you get. A high skill level with a reduced count on hand and foot turnovers is all important.  We need more than dash. I truly hope he can prove me wrong and he can have a great 2018 and not an unproductive season playing at Casey. However, Lumumba has been around long enough for me to think that 2018 will be his final season. As shown by Chris Dawes, Jack Grimes and others time waits for no man. 

Hi Ernest do you mean 2018 or as I think 2017?

[hemingway 7,627]

55 minutes ago, old dee said:

Hi Ernest do you mean 2018 or as I think 2017?

Thanks for that, yes 2017, must be wishing away my life, in any event I can't see Lumumba lasting to 2018.