Dockers want Jake Spencer

[MadAsHell 4,209]

Apologize if there is already a thread for this, but couldn't see it. Anyone else notice the article on the AFL website stating despite him being contract, Freo and trying to lure Jake the snake?

Given he's contracted and our lack of ruck depth i can't see it happening, but if the offer were to good to refuse i guess we'd have to consider it.

Article is big men set for big moves. Sorry i couldn't get a link working.

 

Edited September 3, 2016 by AngryAtCasey
Title for nuffies like me who don't know people's nicknames

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-03/big-men-set-for-big-moves-in-trade-period

I couldn't see where it says Freo are interested in Jake

[Biffen 12,937]

4 hours ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Apologize if there is already a thread for this, but couldn't see it. Anyone else notice the article on the AFL website stating despite him being contract, Freo and trying to lure Jake the snake?

Given he's contracted and our lack of ruck depth i can't see it happening, but if the offer were to good to refuse i guess we'd have to consider it.

Article is big men set for big moves. Sorry i couldn't get a lonk working.

 

My lonk is broken too.

[Mach5 4,756]

Looks like it has been changed.

Probably a typical article consisting of rumours fabricated by the author, and they didn't know at first that Jake was contracted, so tweaked things once realised.

Standard rubbish not worth the Internet paper it's not printed on.

Edited September 3, 2016 by Mach5

[MadAsHell 4,209]

8 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Looks like it has been changed.

Probably a typical article consisting of fabricated by the author, and they didn't know at first that Jake was contracted, so tweaked things once realised.

Standard rubbish not worth the Internet paper it's not printed on.

Yep, has certainly been changed.

Nothing to see here i guess.

[Whispering_Jack 29,379]

It certainly does sound like premature speculation on the part of the author.

Nevertheless, nothing would surprise during the trade period and with some clubs desperate to build on their ruck stocks, it's not inconceivable that someone might make a play for Jake over the next month.

[Satyriconhome 10,436]

7 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

It certainly does sound like premature speculation on the part of the author.

Nevertheless, nothing would surprise during the trade period and with some clubs desperate to build on their ruck stocks, it's not inconceivable that someone might make a play for Jake over the next month.

Other articles state we are looking at acquiring another young developing ruckman, so get rid of one and bring in another who will take a couple of years?

[Whispering_Jack 29,379]

21 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Other articles state we are looking at acquiring another young developing ruckman, so get rid of one and bring in another who will take a couple of years?

They do take a while to develop but we would be on the look out for young ruckmen to develop in the shadow of Max who is going to be around for a while. Perhaps Jake who will be 27 by the start of next year, is not quite right for our needs going forward in comparison to a 22/3 year old ruck?

That might allow us to get involved in trading for another midfielder to bolster our stocks which, despite our promising young brigade, were exposed in the last couple of rounds.

[picket fence 16,818]

5 hours ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Apologize if there is already a thread for this, but couldn't see it. Anyone else notice the article on the AFL website stating despite him being contract, Freo and trying to lure Jake the snake?

Given he's contracted and our lack of ruck depth i can't see it happening, but if the offer were to good to refuse i guess we'd have to consider it.

Article is big men set for big moves. Sorry i couldn't get a link working.

 

"Jake the Snake Roberts" sensational wrestler now departed would have been a great pick up! Ah Sorry, do you mean Jake Spencer?? For real??

[Bitter but optimistic 22,136]

We are in the fortunate position of having an able back up if Max were to suffer some misfortune. If Spencer went we would be horribly exposed.

[mo64 5,657]

Damn, I was hoping it was true. I thought we could do a straight swap Fyfe for Spencer.

If Spencer has trade currency, it would make perfect sense to offload him. Offers little at AFL level.

[Satyriconhome 10,436]

3 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Damn, I was hoping it was true. I thought we could do a straight swap Fyfe for Spencer.

If Spencer has trade currency, it would make perfect sense to offload him. Offers little at AFL level.

And who do we have as backup for Gawn next year, Mitch King coming back from an ACL?, Max King who seems to be on the delisting list, or do we trade one in?

[mo64 5,657]

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

And who do we have as backup for Gawn next year, Mitch King coming back from an ACL?, Max King who seems to be on the delisting list, or do we trade one in?

As WJ said, draft or trade in someone in their early 20's who has some upside to potentially play as a Forward/Ruckman. Spencer's ceiling is very low, and I doubt that he'll improve.

[Nasher 33,607]

36 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

They do take a while to develop but we would be on the look out for young ruckmen to develop in the shadow of Max who is going to be around for a while. Perhaps Jake who will be 27 by the start of next year, is not quite right for our needs going forward in comparison to a 22/3 year old ruck?

That might allow us to get involved in trading for another midfielder to bolster our stocks which, despite our promising young brigade, were exposed in the last couple of rounds.

A satisfactory ruck list would look something like this:

1 x Senior ruckman
1-2 x 21-22 year old ruckmen half developed, can fill in for the senior ruckman in case of injury
1 x junior ruckman

If you exclude Spencer, ours looks like this:

1 x Senior ruckman
1 x Junior ruckman who injured an ACL in round one of the VFL, so is back to square one next season
1 x Project who fell away badly and will probably be delisted

The problem is that that we've got no "nearly ready" ruckmen in that middle class, and they're going to be hard to find - who's going to let go a young ruckman they've invested a lot of time in, and what's their incentive to come here?  

Spencer's replacement needed to come from the draft 3 years ago.  Now we're stuck with him until Mitch King can complete a few years of his apprenticeship, because otherwise the risk is too great.  We should really be looking at a ruckman in the draft.  

[Nasher 33,607]

4 minutes ago, mo64 said:

As WJ said, draft or trade in someone in their early 20's who has some upside to potentially play as a Forward/Ruckman. Spencer's ceiling is very low, and I doubt that he'll improve.

You say that is if it's easy.

[mo64 5,657]

9 minutes ago, Nasher said:

You say that is if it's easy.

I'm not looking for a potential star, just someone who could offer more than Spencer going forward. Blokes like Nankervis (Swans) and Archie Smith (Brisbane) fit the bill. 

[Nasher 33,607]

Just now, mo64 said:

I'm not looking for a potential star, just someone who could offer more than Spencer going forward. Blokes like Nankervis (Swans) and Archie Smith (Brisbane) fit the bill. 

What would their incentive be to come?  

[Whispering_Jack 29,379]

26 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Spencer's replacement needed to come from the draft 3 years ago.  Now we're stuck with him until Mitch King can complete a few years of his apprenticeship, because otherwise the risk is too great.  We should really be looking at a ruckman in the draft.  

Ironically, it was at around that time when we tried to draft Jack Hannath in the PSD but were gazumped by the Dockers.

My thoughts are that since there are clubs out there who through retirements and/or injuries have a pressing need for a mature ruckman, there might be a chance that we could benefit by a trade of Spencer while at the same time sourcing a young big man in that 22/23 age group who might be close to ready and can act as Gawn's understudy and also possibly add something to our forward line. In addition, I would be thinking in terms of drafting Oscar McInerney who is also around that age and is clearly preferred at Casey over Max King ATM.

In any event, the laws of demand and supply operate and if Spencer's trade value has gone up as a result of those injuries to Nic Nat and Ceglar and the imminent end to Sandlilands' career at Freo, then we could decide to take advantage.

 

[Gator 17,261]

7 minutes ago, Nasher said:

What would their incentive be to come?  

Agree.

Only a forward/ruck would come if they were promised every opportunity to get game-time.

A genuine ruckman with aspirations would have grave misgivings about coming to a team loaded with the reigning AA.

 

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,224]

24 minutes ago, Nasher said:

You say that is if it's easy.

Would Toby Naverkis be worth a look?

Now behind Tippet, Naismith and Sinclair. 

I live in Sydney and honestly don't know a lot about him.

[Satyriconhome 10,436]

14 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I'm not looking for a potential star, just someone who could offer more than Spencer going forward. Blokes like Nankervis (Swans) and Archie Smith (Brisbane) fit the bill. 

I think you are forgetting that Watts has been taking turns in the ruck, he actually enjoys it, I asked him, with a bit more work during the pre season on the craft, he could provide a handy backup to either Gawn or Spencer

[Nasher 33,607]

3 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

In addition, I would also be thinking in terms of drafting Oscar McInerney who is also around that age and is clearly preferred at Casey over Max King ATM.

I have to admit I'd never heard of him until following the Casey feed yesterday.  Pretty interesting selection in a final with an already pretty tall Casey side - must have shown something.  Listed as 203cm and 100kg so he's probably physically ready.  Any idea why he'd been playing in the dev league for the bulk of the season?

[Moonshadow 17,610]

Trading Spencer could give us a useful draft pick, given we have no first rounder and our second is likely to be used on Hibberd. Does leave us exposed though if Gawn goes down.

[mo64 5,657]

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I think you are forgetting that Watts has been taking turns in the ruck, he actually enjoys it, I asked him, with a bit more work during the pre season on the craft, he could provide a handy backup to either Gawn or Spencer

I don't care if Watts enjoys playing in the ruck, because he's not a long term solution.

 

18 minutes ago, Nasher said:

What would their incentive be to come?  

I brought up the names of Nankervis and Smith as being examples of players who have come off rookie lists in their early 20's. Naismith is another. Not necessarily saying that they would want to come to us, but there are young ruckmen out there with more upside than Spencer. Mitch King is probably another example.

[Moonshadow 17,610]

The less time Watts spends in the ruck the better.