POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 23

[Soidee 1,496]

Well well well! What a great send off by our playing group to Paul Roos!  As good as Nathan Jones has been for this club, I think his leadership is done.  Not singling him out, but we as a club continue to have a pea hearted under belly and mental fragility like no other club in the AFL.

Jonesy and the leadership group just tossed in the towel, and that cannot be tolerated anymore.  This club still cannot shake it's pea hearted tag and won't until a leadership group is put together who have no fragile baggage.  Jonesy has baggage and sadly shows it too many times.

Goodwins reputation will depend on who he decides leads this team over the next 3 years.  What a total inept Knobber of a performance to finish the season.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,510]

Probably sounds like a load of [censored] but I spoke with a father of a current player during the week who said the club and players were happy with ten wins and didn't care about making finals this year and were all about preparing for next season. Not sure if I buy into this but apparently it's what the player told his old man. I think the cue has been in the rack for the last couple of weeks.

Edited August 27, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, deestar said:

Just a reminder of what we are capable of.... Our leadership really is lacking and it will be a few years before the young ones can stop these run on's

putrid way to end and I feel for roosy ... Not a Yelp or even a whimper .... Disgusting and it shows how far off a finals side we actually are. Pains me to say the saints are ahead of us in that regard.

 

Oh please. We deserve criticism after today but the saints have been beaten by 60+ three times this year.

[John Crow Batty 8,832]

1 minute ago, schmuttt said:

Oh please. We deserve criticism after today but the saints have been beaten by 60+ three times this year.

And beat us twice this season as well as everytime for the past ten years.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

Probably sounds like a load of [censored] but I spoke with a father of a current player during the week who said the club was happy with ten wins and didn't care about making finals this year and were all about preparing for next season. Not sure if I buy into this but apparently it's what the player told his old man. I think the cue has been in the rack for the last couple of weeks.

You could clearly see that today. Thanks for that info Ethan - I am disappointed how the farewell game went for Roosy but it was the worst game I've seen from a couple of lads. Viney being one of them (I feel I can point him out as it will echo my point)

We played an experienced finals team today - that is no excuse but our young blokes and the team had the que in the rack today. Just not fit or old enough to comete today

I am putting the emotion aside on this one... lets just move on to 2017..... Lets hope we can move on from this lack of experience and conditiong

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,226]

Because we are playing so many inexperienced players today's loss was to be expected. 

Mills 

Heeney

Hewett

Aliir

Papley

Marsh

Naismith

X Richards

 

 

Edited August 27, 2016 by Bombay Airconditioning

[deestar 159]

1 minute ago, america de cali said:

And beat us twice this season as well as everytime for the past ten years.

Exactly .... 

[Sir Why You Little 36,774]

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Probably sounds like a load of [censored] but I spoke with a father of a current player during the week who said the club and players were happy with ten wins and didn't care about making finals this year and were all about preparing for next season. Not sure if I buy into this but apparently it's what the player told his old man. I think the cue has been in the rack for the last couple of weeks.

What a shocking attitude. It still exists. Pick and choose at The MFC

No concern that supporters and Members have forked out good money to watch the last 2 insipid performances....

[Adam The God 29,717]

One of the other things I want our midfield and coaching team to implement regularly next year, is doing what they did against Port with the third man up. They made sure someone like Bugg, who was never going to win the clearance, sacrificed himself to man the opposition player, who would otherwise go up third man against Max. We just let Geelong do it time and again today and Carlton did it last week too. It kills us.

Edited August 27, 2016 by A F

[praha 11,225]

7 minutes ago, america de cali said:

And beat us twice this season as well as everytime for the past ten years.

I think today says less about how far we need to come than do our losses to Essendon, Carlton and Saints x2. Win those games and we're in the finals. We were favourites in all 4 of those games.

As bad as today was, and as worried I am that next year will be another 2011, the next corner this club needs to turn is winning games it's supposed to, every time. Once we turn that corner we'll be a finals side.

Compare that to the start of Roos' tenure, even the start of this year. We hadn't won two in a row, three in a row, couldnt beat top 8 teams, couldnt get close in WA, couldnt win in NT.

We've made massive inroads this year. But we did in 2010 as well.

2017 could either be awesome, or a colossal failure. I'm betting on the former.

Edited August 27, 2016 by praha

[John Crow Batty 8,832]

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What a shocking attitude. It still exists. Pick and choose at The MFC

No concern that supporters and Members have forked out good money to watch the last 2 insipid performances....

Not to mention memberships, prime draw and TV spots and  trade leverage.

Edited August 27, 2016 by america de cali

[Ethan Tremblay 30,510]

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What a shocking attitude. It still exists. Pick and choose at The MFC

No concern that supporters and Members have forked out good money to watch the last 2 insipid performances....

This was my argument, I think it does more harm than good, particularly with supporters.

Edited August 27, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[Chris 2,892]

A few things. 

F the effort put in by the players. Right now you can get [censored]. 

F Geelong

F the umpires (as usual)

F Tim Watson the drug taker apologist disrespectful maggot

Anyone who doesn't think we have improved knows very little or can't remeber 3 years ago

F the players again, we were set to finish the season for the first time in a long time without losing by more than 10 goals for a whole year and they serve up this [censored] and we lose by 100+.

F I am [censored]!

Edited August 27, 2016 by Chris

[Chris 2,892]

Oh, forgot, thanks Roos for turning this club around. You have us on the right track and it now up to others to keep us on the right track. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,774]

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

This was my argument, I think it does more damage than good.

Of course it does. 

Essendrug will only remember one game this year. Round 23

The members will sign up. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,510]

Uh well, like we always say, there's always next season. 

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Positives today were Brayshaw and Salem. Shame Petracca can't string a full game together though

[faultydet 7,594]

9 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Because we are playing so many inexperienced players today's loss was to be expected. 

Mills 

Heeney

Hewett

Aliir

Papley

Marsh

Naismith

X Richards

 

 

yeah but but but but.............

[P-man 13,366]

13 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Probably sounds like a load of [censored] but I spoke with a father of a current player during the week who said the club and players were happy with ten wins and didn't care about making finals this year and were all about preparing for next season. Not sure if I buy into this but apparently it's what the player told his old man. I think the cue has been in the rack for the last couple of weeks.

lol

That is truly disgraceful if true. But I realise you have to take these things with a grain of salt.

We saw today what happens when Gawn, Viney, Jones and Vince are down. We get bent over.

A very sad way to end Roos' tenure. Goodwin still has alot of work ahead of him.

Edited August 27, 2016 by P-man

[JV7 2,349]

12 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Because we are playing so many inexperienced players today's loss was to be expected. 

Mills 

Heeney

Hewett

Aliir

Papley

Marsh

Naismith

X Richards

 

 

The fact you've even bought this up shows you know nothing... Ever heard of: 

Kennedy

Jack

Parker

Hannebery

Franklin 

Mcveigh 

Grundy

Pretty solid line up to add some youth too

Rather than us.... Jones & ??? Edit: Vince

Edited August 27, 2016 by JV7

[bing181 9,159]

2 minutes ago, JV7 said:

Rather than us.... Jones & ??? 

Jones isn't in the class of any of those you mentioned.

[Chris 2,892]

Just now, bing181 said:

Jones isn't in the class of any of those you mentioned.

Exactly

[JV7 2,349]

1 minute ago, bing181 said:

Jones isn't in the class of any of those you mentioned.

Yeah obviously, just talking in terms of experience 

[Adam The God 29,717]

30 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

As I said in the gameday thread, it is possible for this season to be a success and for today to be disgraceful on all levels.

There is unfortunately a lot more to these performances than the players seem to think. We may well have done ourselves out of a Friday night game next year (you can easily imagine the fixturing team at the AFL just saying to themselves "but Melbourne just lost by 100" whilst they pencil the 12-10 Saints and the "resurgent" Bombers in for Friday night games instead). Then there's the whole "destination club" effect - again, you can imagine players wondering how far we have come (I dispute any suggestion we haven't improved this year but not everyone watches Melbourne as closely as we do).

Finally, there's the fact that we can't even get ourselves going for the final game for a coach we actually like. First coach we haven't been forced to fire since...who? I don't even remember. And that is how we respond?

2016 was a success. We are streets ahead as a club of where we were at in 2013 and, IMO, better placed than 2010. We have a promising list and a bright future. But we've inexcusably let ourselves down today and we as supporters have every right to be disgusted.

Great post.

[von 1,511]

I can't see us finishing above 16th next year based on this performance. Seeing guys like hogan, petracca, brayshaw, hunt, stretch, frost, o Mac, Salem, weideman coming out and dishing up this after a good season or two experience against a bunch of experienced premiership winning has beens just makes me wonder. I refuse to acknowledge that it takes seasons to be fully ready physically and mentally to compete consistently at this level. I refuse to acknowledge that looking at other teams trajectories they have been through similar situations. I refuse to acknowledge that hogan is quite possibly well and truly on track to fulfill his potential when also compared to similar types. I just refuse to have any perspective at all because then who would I take out all my own pain and angst out on. My wife! I refuse to acknowledge where we've come from and that the large majority of those who have carried us at times could not in any reasonable way be asked to do it consistently. Perspective is for hippies and meditating monks. I refuse to notice where we are and where Geelong are in context of the season and how today needed to go. Roos is not welcome at any Melbourne function for the next 50 years. Jackson can go eat a bag of manure then regurgitate it into goodwins useless mouth. The consistent improvement in all aspects of our club. Literally every aspect of our club has been washed away today and never to be seen again until round one when we have a win and we are premiership favourites. I'm going to go and head butt a monk now.