Surely Hunt Deserves a Rising Star Nomination

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1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

The Rising Star winner has already been nominated.....

 

You can't win if you get nominated this late. It's what makes the award a joke.

I disagree. Very open year and if Mills keeps playing as he has the last few weeks then I think he could jump ahead of the favourite in Caleb Daniel to win it. 

Petracca, Parish and Weitering are next in line and the clear top 5 winning chances. 

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Hunt along with a couple of others in Menadue, Fantasia, Maynard and Hewett are guys who have been performing well for a while and just need to time a good game with a win and an absence of a standout performer and they'll get the nod.

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44 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Round 9 last year Jesse Hogan, no it's not too late. 2014 round 9 Lewis Taylor. 2013 Jaegar O'Meara round 5. 2012 round 12 Daniel Talia

errr,,,, its round 16. No one has won it this late as per my original post

I think ony 3 have won after round 9, Kozitske (14), Cousins (12) and Talia (12). 

Edited July 11, 2016 by jnrmac

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Did he get it?

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18 minutes ago, Abe said:

Did he get it?

I think it is announced Tuesday....

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2 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Will be as important to us in his position as Jesse Hogan.

Just needs to learn to slip back from 5th the 3rd before he kicks...and he will.

 

wow...just wow !

I really like Hunt but wow.

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12 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I think it is announced Tuesday....

Monday nights, 99.9% sure. Usually by about 8.30pm.

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47 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

errr,,,, its round 16. No one has won it this late as per my original post

I think ony 3 have won after round 9, Kozitske (14), Cousins (12) and Talia (12). 

No one has won it this late so it is impossible, is that your argument?

 

 

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34 minutes ago, ManDee said:

No one has won it this late so it is impossible, is that your argument?

 

 

Well at least it is very less likely. If someone bobs up in the final 7 matches (or even less) and kicks 10 goals in every match, presumably they'd win it.  But unless in every week thus far, the player had just missed out on the weekly award, you'd have to say he hasn't been noticed much compared to earlier nominees who have continued to perform.

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On 7/11/2016 at 4:10 PM, nutbean said:

wow...just wow !

I really like Hunt but wow.

Sounds hyperbolic but I am not joking, I think he will be the most exciting of our young players bar Hogan and we have some very good young players.  He is the package.

Has a rare combination of exceptional speed, courage and smarts.  He lacks composure but most sub 20 gamers do.  He is a game breaker and will cause our opposition a lot of headaches,

Draft position and what players did pre AFL has little relevance.  This kid has got it.

Edited July 11, 2016 by Guest

[jnrmac 19,949]

Pretty much.

The award started as the first year player that was likely to be a star. It has morphed into the best first year player award akin to the Brownlow. Players that are nominated in the first few rounds are overwhelmingly represented in the winners list. No one has won it after round 14. Could it happen? Possibly. Will it happen?

Highly unlikely.

There are really good players that never get nominated and can never win it. Sometimes the AFL conjurs up a weekly win so that certain players can win the overall award. 

The award is a joke IMO and should go back to its original intention so that all players nominated have a reasonable chance to win.They should have a weekly award and then an overall award that can be won by anyone fitting the age/games criteria.

Edited July 11, 2016 by jnrmac

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2012 is worthy of mention as it was won by Daniel Talia - the only stat for the year that he won was games played, in many of the top indicators he was not in the top 50. From round 16 onwards there were some handy players, most with season stats better than Talia, Josh Caddy, Brandon Ellis, Adam Treloar, Devon Smith, Sam Blease, Sam Shaw and Chad Wingard. This may reinforce the argument that the winner has already been nominated but it does not make it right. Talia was 79th for disposals averaging 8.09 per game (23 games), Toby Green was nominated round 14 averaging 28.37 disposals per game (18 games) 

Edit: Last year Hogan managed 13.05 disposals per game (20 games) plus lots of goals - Patrick Cripps 23.55disp per game (20 games) - How did Talia win it? Must be the no D1CKHEADS policy.

Edited July 11, 2016 by ManDee

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1 hour ago, ManDee said:

2012 is worthy of mention as it was won by Daniel Talia - the only stat for the year that he won was games played, in many of the top indicators he was not in the top 50. From round 16 onwards there were some handy players, most with season stats better than Talia, Josh Caddy, Brandon Ellis, Adam Treloar, Devon Smith, Sam Blease, Sam Shaw and Chad Wingard. This may reinforce the argument that the winner has already been nominated but it does not make it right. Talia was 79th for disposals averaging 8.09 per game (23 games), Toby Green was nominated round 14 averaging 28.37 disposals per game (18 games) 

Edit: Last year Hogan managed 13.05 disposals per game (20 games) plus lots of goals - Patrick Cripps 23.55disp per game (20 games) - How did Talia win it? Must be the no D1CKHEADS policy.

You do know who Talia is right? And what type of player?

He won the award because he was a super key defender who was probably the best shut down defender in a good side. Disposals mean nothing to his game. I'm sure Rivers had similar stats when he played CHB in a good dees side in 2004 and won the award.

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1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Pretty much.

The award started as the first year player that was likely to be a star. It has morphed into the best first year player award akin to the Brownlow. Players that are nominated in the first few rounds are overwhelmingly represented in the winners list. No one has won it after round 14. Could it happen? Possibly. Will it happen?

Highly unlikely.

There are really good players that never get nominated and can never win it. Sometimes the AFL conjurs up a weekly win so that certain players can win the overall award. 

The award is a joke IMO and should go back to its original intention so that all players nominated have a reasonable chance to win.They should have a weekly award and then an overall award that can be won by anyone fitting the age/games criteria.

Aside from picking Lewis Taylor over Bont when do you think they've got it wrong? I certainly can't think of a player who wasn't nominated and missed out that way.

I'm not sure on the exact description of the award - ie. is it best player on output or best player on future, but they do seem to get the balance right most of the time. 

It's highly unlikely anyone would've been the best player all year if they weren't able to play a great game early in the year, that's why a late nominee doesn't win it. It's not that they are overlooked. Mills will go very close to winning it this year after his nomination tonight.

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7 hours ago, Ricky P said:

I thought he was too old for  Rising Star Nom?

Nope. Did not turn 21 until April 3rd this year. RS nominees must be under 21 by Jan 1st and have played less than 10 games.

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4 minutes ago, M_9 said:

Nope. Did not turn 21 until April 3rd this year. RS nominees must be under 21 by Jan 1st and have played less than 10 games.

Mills got it 

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Mills this week.

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On 10 July 2016 at 11:29 AM, bingers said:

Hunt is great. He provides the run that the Prince tried to (unsuccessfully).

I forgot all about Prince.

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Mills won it - officially.

Hopefully Jayden still gets a go before the end of the season 

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Not this week unfortunately but would have been a well deserved nomination. Was great again on the weekend. 

If he has another good game this weekend would have to go close to getting the nod seeing as though the selectors tend to look at patches of form. 

Which brings about my question. If he gets the nod sometime this season that will give us 4 in one season. Since the rising star began has any club had 4 nominations in the one season ?

 

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6 minutes ago, Standing Room Only said:

Not this week unfortunately but would have been a well deserved nomination. Was great again on the weekend. 

If he has another good game this weekend would have to go close to getting the nod seeing as though the selectors tend to look at patches of form. 

Which brings about my question. If he gets the nod sometime this season that will give us 4 in one season. Since the rising star began has any club had 4 nominations in the one season ?

 

Yes GWS had about 8 one season

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I watched the cats v swans game and Mills was bloody good. 

Simple fact is if Hunt keeps his form up he'll definitely get a nod 

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How exciting is this kid? One of my favourites already. Keep going, Jayden. I'm happy to cop the occasional turn over or holding the ball if you give us 5 or 6 dashes a game.

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15 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

You do know who Talia is right? And what type of player?

He won the award because he was a super key defender who was probably the best shut down defender in a good side. Disposals mean nothing to his game. I'm sure Rivers had similar stats when he played CHB in a good dees side in 2004 and won the award.

No, you are wrong. Rivers stats in his Rising star year are better than Talias, but don't let facts stop you. In 2004 Rivers was 11th overall for disposal averages among Rising star nominees, Talia was 79th.  Edit:- NOTE:- 11th & 79th among eligible players for rising star - thanks billy2803

 

Jared Rivers	Name	Daniel Talia
Geelong Cats	Team	Adelaide Crows
Defender	Position	Defender
194	Career Games	113
North Adelaide	Origin	Calder Cannons
October 18, 1984	Date of Birth	October 2, 1991
Turned 20 in 2004	Age	Turned 21 in 2012
194cm	Height	196cm
94kg	Weight	98kg
2002 National Draft	Last Drafted In	2009 National Draft
Round 2, Pick #26	Last Draft Position	Round 1, Pick #13
Melbourne Demons	Last Drafted By	Adelaide Crows
2004	Stats for Season	2012
22	Games	23
5.9	Kicks Per Game	4.6
5.9	Handballs Per Game	3.4
11.8	Disposals Per Game	8.1
5.0	Marks Per Game	2.6
0	Goals Per Game	0
0	Behinds Per Game	0.1
2.2	Tackles Per Game	1.8
0	Hitouts Per Game	0
1.0	Frees For Per Game	0.6
0.4	Frees Against Per Game	0.7

 

2004 AFL Rising Stars Disposals Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)

Rank Player Team Games Average 1 Beau Waters West Coast 10 13.80 2 Sam Butler West Coast 12 13.67 3 Richard Hadley Brisbane 23 13.48 4 Brent Reilly Adelaide 14 13.36 5 Daniel Cross Western Bulldogs 14 13.29 6 Dane Swan Collingwood 13 13.15 7 Brent Moloney Geelong 15 12.67 8 Daniel Gilmore Fremantle 8 12.50 9 Steven Salopek Port Adelaide 11 11.82 10 Adam Cooney Western Bulldogs 19 11.79 11 Jared Rivers Melbourne 22 11.77

2012

79

Daniel Talia

Adelaide

23

8.09

Edit:- I had wrong stats listed-now fixed.

Edited July 12, 2016 by ManDee

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Just for fun and my last post on Talia (I hope) I compare Tommy Mac and Talia in 2012.

 

Player Statistics Comparison

Tom McDonald Name Daniel Talia Melbourne Demons Team Adelaide Crows Defender Position Defender 97 Career Games 113 North Ballarat Origin Calder Cannons September 18, 1992 Date of Birth October 2, 1991 Turned 20 in 2012 Age Turned 21 in 2012 194cm Height 196cm 92kg Weight 98kg 2010 National Draft Last Drafted In 2009 National Draft Round 3, Pick #53 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #13 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Adelaide Crows 2012 Stats for Season 2012 20 Games 23 8.0 Kicks Per Game 4.6 8.6 Handballs Per Game 3.4 16.6 Disposals Per Game 8.1 4.7 Marks Per Game 2.6 0 Goals Per Game 0 0 Behinds Per Game 0.1 2.0 Tackles Per Game 1.8

 

NAB AFL RISING STAR VOTES 2012
Daniel Talia (Adelaide) 43
Jeremy Cameron (GWS) 35 
Mitch Wallis (Western Bulldogs) 19
Adam Treloar (GWS) 15
Steven Motlop (Geelong) 11 
Tom McDonald (Melbourne) 7             !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh Caddy (Gold Coast) 3 
Stephen Coniglio (GWS) 2

 

Edit:- Talia is a great defender but not  the best young player in 2012 in my opinion.

Edited July 11, 2016 by ManDee