16 minutes ago, Je Roos Salem said:

He's been a consistent defender for 2+ years. Just because he's been dropped now doesn't mean he doesn't have any attributes. He's been commended after plenty of games under Roos. I would've only taken Garland over Dunn 3 years ago

How many games has he been commended on this year? Look at the defensive set up and attacking style we are playing now. Does he have the attributes to play it? The times they are a changin'

Not bagging Dunn (as he has been a fantastic servant of the club) nor saying Garland is the answer (as neither are) but you need to look at where he fits with what we are trying to do now.

Edited May 20, 20169 yr by big_red_fire_engine

I really hope NB transposes his VFL form into  the AFL. 

If he does then happy days. 

Garland v Dunn is the latest circular debate assuming the mantle previously occupied by Dawes v Pedo.

Neither are stars but if Roos is true to his word on one poor game being enough to see you out of the side and form in the seconds being rewarded, Garland is pretty lucky to escape the chop this week, and conversely, Dunn could consider himself unlucky.

i don't abide by a theory that Dunn can't play in a zone setup. I think sometimes we pay players too little credit. There must be more to it that we don't necessarily know.

 

Edited May 20, 20169 yr by P-man

Pederson is out for illness,that surely means he will out for 6-8 weeks won't it !!! . Matt Jones soreness has lasted a long time,perhaps a record for this injury. Based on the round 6 injury report he is available but still not available for any games,why is that so?The club loves to bull sh.t a lot. This is one ara ROOS hasn't changed.

Breakout game for the Petraccattack,  feel it in my bones! 

Not sure why so much pessimism. I like the changes. In fact I believe not enough changes have been made in past games. ANB gives us another ball getter/winner. Kent gives us more speed/pressure/goal scoring. OMac is the future and has to be given game time at the highest level and is less raw than his first AFL experience.

We are still learning and developing. That is what this year is about. Next year we demand finals. Tomorrow I trust our structures will deliver a comfortable win. Go Dees!

Not sure if it has been said but I was impressed by Michie at half back last week with his ability to get back and take a few good intercept marks. This is something I have not seen Salem do very well previously and could be the reason why he was dropped. 

Surely one of the McDonald boys is going to help Max in the ruck. We are stuffed if Max has a bad game or worse gets injured. 

I don't mind the selections but can't see any player on the list capable of giving Maxy a chop out. Will be interesting.

2 hours ago, ENYAW said:

Pederson is out for illness,that surely means he will out for 6-8 weeks won't it !!! . Matt Jones soreness has lasted a long time,perhaps a record for this injury. Based on the round 6 injury report he is available but still not available for any games,why is that so?The club loves to bull sh.t a lot. This is one ara ROOS hasn't changed.

I might be wrong, but I think you'll find that Matt Jones was out for a rib injury.

Pedersen going out of the side worries me more than it should, especially given we haven't brought in anyone who plays his role.

Tom McDonald at CHF might be the solution the FD is going with but I don't like it. The more so given Brisbane's playing two ruckmen.

We should have more than enough talent across the park but I can't shake a nagging feeling that we've picked a weaker side than we could have.

3 hours ago, Choko said:

Very unbalanced team. I can't understand what they think they are doing. Brisbane is that bad it shouldn't matter, but ffs a lot of bad ball users off the backline and potentially a lot of players in the forward line who will get in each other's way. 

Vince will play back along with Wagner and Hunt who can all use the ball

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Final changes.

Kent Anb Omac for Salem Jetta Pedersen..

Emergency Newton Grimes Dunn

Another baffling selection..

No second / back up ruck.  Whilst many bag Pedersen he does the job. 

Does anyone have any info re his "illness"?

Do not under any circumstances like going in with Just Max as Ruck.

Too many variables 

1 If he goes down we haven't got a replacement( and don't give me Tommy Mac, O mac OR gasp Jack Watts

2 Read the above, fraught with danger!! Who lends a chop out.??

Crap selection could have blooded Hullet or even Spencil! 

Don't like just going in with Max at all!

Edited May 20, 20169 yr by picket fence

On 19/05/2016 at 9:24 PM, Wiseblood said:

That's great.  So why isn't he playing?

And just in case Steve or Curry or whoever fly in from the night, I'm not defending Garland, merely arguing that Dunn in for Garland makes no difference.

Dunn competes, Garland doesn't.  That's the difference.

19 minutes ago, monoccular said:

No second / back up ruck.  Whilst many bag Pedersen he does the job. 

Does anyone have any info re his "illness"?

Pedersen has been pretty good, I don't get the bagging.  He's not a superstar but I think he gets the best out of himself.  He won't drag us over the line but if we're playing well he plays his role.

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

Dunn competes, Garland doesn't.  That's the difference.

No disrespect to you, Doc, but a post like this is utter rubbish.  If Garland didn't actually compete then he wouldn't play.  It's plain and simple, and it's ridiculous to suggest that he doesn't.  You can knock him for other stuff, but to suggest he doesn't compete in games is pretty poor and incorrect.

20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Dunn competes, Garland doesn't.  That's the difference.

Dunn competes well when he is in the contest. With a zone defence he does not get to the contest. Thats the difference.

Seven's promo for the game: "In Queensland, the Lions play the Demons at 1"

Made to sound extra stupid being read out by Basil Zemplas.

Who checks these things before they go to air? A monkey? A monkey on the sauce? How do you get where the game is being [censored] played wrong?

5 hours ago, Generation dee said:

Either selection committee have a cunning plan or have made another genuinely horrible mistake. Or there is to be another late change.

Who would you bring in?

22 minutes ago, P-man said:

Seven's promo for the game: "In Queensland, the Lions play the Demons at 1"

Made to sound extra stupid being read out by Basil Zemplas.

Who checks these things before they go to air? A monkey? A monkey on the sauce? How do you get where the game is being [censored] played wrong?

I think they mean for viewers in Queensland, they will see the Mel v BL game.

3 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I think they mean for viewers in Queensland, they will see the Mel v BL game.

Oh.

 

Mm.

 

Yeah well, I still hate them.

11 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

If a kick is not to the advantage of a fisrward and the defender is able to make a basic 'spoil', who is given the plauditsit 

The defender? If you believe so, I think you're completely overrating a basic skill that all defenders are expected to execute under those circumstances. All defenders are expected to 'spoil' a ball in that situation at the very least.

I didn't go the game last week. But I did watch the replay and after reading comments about Garland on demonland, I was expecting the worst. Surprisingly however, I didn't think it was a horrible game from him. But it was very much a 'Garland' game. The same story which I've been preaching for a long time. He just floats. Hangs off his opponent. Literally. (Which is evidenced by free kicks against). And provides little to any offensive play. (As evidenced by his 35 metre vertical kicks into the air as well as his blaze away kicking when under any sort of pressure).

We will get better when we find upgrades to these kinds of players.

 

The modern game demands a fairly neutral outcome from defenders when we dont have the ball and then creating run/carry/space and accurate execution when we get It.

If you could marry Dunn/Garland with the likes of H (or a more dangerous HB offensively like a Burgoyne) then we are talking seriously potent backs a la Gibson. The trouble Is we dont and finding/developing such well polished but damaging (offensively) defenders Isn't so easy.

I suspect this Is why our "one sided" (Ie; quite good at defending or attacking/disposal but not solid with both) defenders are constantly being dropped/selected and will no doubt continue unless others eventually step up and provide the right balance. 

 

P.S. Jetta is probably our only consistent example of at least one defender who is solid on both sides much of the time (and slowly improving)

That Brisbane team is one of the worst AFL sides ive seen on paper,  looks about as good as some of the Neeld era MFC teams.