i don't see yesterdays performance as a disaster, we were outclassed by a better team

the next in line for me is clearly ANB, i'd also like to see us get some games into Oscar 

so Out: Vince, Garland

In: ANB and Mcdonald

( I think Vince might get a week due to his poor record.)

My guess  is their will be 3 maybe more depending on the tribunal. The obvious ones are Garland for Dunn and Lumumba for either Hunt or Wagner. ANB in for Harmes or Bernie if he gets rubbed out. Grimes to replace Nev if he cops a week. Still not sold on Salem, has been average so far this season.

Surely Jetta doesn't get rubbed out for that?  it wasn't intentional, more of a reflex

with out backline in bits he would be a big out.  he is turning into one of our most important players

Vince Replaced by ANB (suspension)
Michie replaced by OMac (need a tall, Viv unlucky)
If jetta suspended (i doubt but could happen) Leave Michie in

Harmes replaced by Kent (Only if fit. Harmes needs consistancy but he will be best 22 this time next year)
 

I am not sure that either will get rubbed out.

On the Vince - can't tell if it was head or shoulder - it certainly was more glancing than full on and sufficient impact ? Wouldn't have thought so..

Jetta was a push away that got high - a slapping motion.

Who knows how the MRP will adjudicate...

Speaking of slapping - who was it that slapped Jeffy Gartlett when he was on the mark  and then the umpire gave a 50 metres against us ? mystifying to say the least 

52 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

10 kicks 9 marks 17 disposals 4 shots at goal.

you are dreaming if you think that he will be dropped 

Agreed, ridiculous to suggest dropping Hogan. To add to your stats, 5 of his marks were contested, the whole team had 8 in total He also had a team high 4 score assists!

Yes his shots at goal were poor, but dropping him is laughable actually!

3 minutes ago, nutbean said:

I am not sure that either will get rubbed out.

On the Vince - can't tell if it was head or shoulder - it certainly was more glancing than full on and sufficient impact ? Wouldn't have thought so..

Jetta was a push away that got high - a slapping motion.

Who knows how the MRP will adjudicate...

Speaking of slapping - who was it that slapped Jeffy Gartlett when he was on the mark  and then the umpire gave a 50 metres against us ? mystifying to say the least 

Vince will go because of how it looked it think, any glance of the head and your gone (would be happily wrong though)

I agree jetta should get off, there wasnt much in it but we all know the MRP likes to kick a team when they are down.

Nothing in that slap on jeffy was a little love tap really. The mystifying thing was the kick before our guy marked it (stretch i think) then got tackled by a bloke not in the contest, no 50, then 3 seconds later they pay one the other way. While i dont think the bulldogs got any incorrect frees its the missed ones in 1 direction then the quick whistle in the other that bothers me. Little word what is it? Consistancy! maybe we should stick that in the umpire's change rooms for every game 

10 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Vince will go because of how it looked it think, any glance of the head and your gone (would be happily wrong though)

I agree jetta should get off, there wasnt much in it but we all know the MRP likes to kick a team when they are down.

Nothing in that slap on jeffy was a little love tap really. The mystifying thing was the kick before our guy marked it (stretch i think) then got tackled by a bloke not in the contest, no 50, then 3 seconds later they pay one the other way. While i dont think the bulldogs got any incorrect frees its the missed ones in 1 direction then the quick whistle in the other that bothers me. Little word what is it? Consistancy! maybe we should stick that in the umpire's change rooms for every game 

There was nothing in the slap to Jeffy's but did you figure out what the 50m against was for ?

Edited May 16, 20169 yr by nutbean

1 hour ago, AzzKikA said:

Googling now.

Are you saying this is what he feels or what he needs?

Cause i think either way its a TERRIFYING thought!

 

Defence link. Vague memory it was no 1 in the defence forces going into battle faves.Foonote: at my age all memories are vague.

8 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

IN: Lumumba, Kent, Neal-Bullen, Dunn, Dawes
OUT: Garland, Wagner, Hunt, Michie, Pederson

B. Jetta, Dunn, Lumumba
HB. Salem, T.McDonald, Vince
C. Oliver, Tyson, Kennedy
HF. Kent, Dawes, Petracca
F. Garlett, Hogan, Watts
RU. Gawn, Jones, Viney
IC. Neal-Bullen, Stretch, Harmes, Bugg

 

8 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

 

5 changes wont happen and who will relief ruck?  

 

8 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Dawes ? Couldnt be any worse than Pedo was yesterday. I dont think 5 changes will happen either unfortunately. Garland is finished, i didnt like the 3 year contract at the end of last season and i like it even less now, Poorest decision the list management team has made for a while.

Dawes has had only 2 games and is far from match fit, and he won't ruck so please give me a genuine relief ruck option.

4 minutes ago, nutbean said:

There was nothing in the slap to Jeffy's but did you figure out what the 50m against was for ?

After he got hit he stepped forward into the "protected area" was always 50 not a wrong decision, just a hot one given they had just let one go. 

26 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

... we all know the MRP likes to kick a team when they are down.

Playing the victim again. A common problem here.

So the MRP is going to make a decision based on who we are and whether we lost, are they?

Just now, mauriesy said:

Playing the victim again. A common problem here.

So the MRP is going to make a decision based on who we are and whether we lost, are they?

sorry that comment was made in jest but fair call. 

We still lack leadership when we get into situations like yesterday...St Kilda, Essendon games for example.

Trengove is a leader and has far superior footy skills and nous than most on the list...he's fit, he's in form, he must come in this week.

16 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Dunno....need a tall for a tall.

Time to blood The Weed?

Wouldn't it be Water The Weed???

15 minutes ago, rjay said:

We still lack leadership when we get into situations like yesterday...St Kilda, Essendon games for example.

Trengove is a leader and has far superior footy skills and nous than most on the list...he's fit, he's in form, he must come in this week.

He won't come in because we are happy to wait for him to ask to play....which it doesn't seem like he has.

 

he will continue in the seconds until he decides he feels like playing in the firsts.

10 minutes ago, olisik said:

He won't come in because we are happy to wait for him to ask to play....which it doesn't seem like he has.

 

he will continue in the seconds until he decides he feels like playing in the firsts.

If you watched his interview with Robbo you would know he wants to play now....the asking to play is more Roos smoke & mirrors, in other words BS...

Trengove is ready to go now.

Trengove is a smart player. We could use some smarter players out there at present. . Put him on the half back flank at ease him back into things. Could use someone in that part of the park that knows what theyre doing 

11 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Trengove is a smart player. We could use some smarter players out there at present. . Put him on the half back flank at ease him back into things. Could use someone in that part of the park that knows what theyre doing 

 

Trenners off half back sounds good to me. We need someone like Easton Wood who can read the play, take a contested grab and repel attacks.  Trenners has a great footy brain, great skills and is a brilliant overhead mark...  assuming he has the confidence back in his foot and has been going for marks in the VFL

Perhaps this week is the return of #9.

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I would like to see Harmes go back. He has the leap and athleticism required and would provide some dash off half back.

I doubt there will be that many changes.  I very much doubt that Hunt, Wagner or Harmes will be dropped unless they are "managed".  We are trying to build a defence that understands the new game plan and understands each other.  Yesterday we played a better team that found us out and this week we come up against a team that allows us to continue the education in a less difficult environment.

If players are going to be dropped I think it will be the experienced players who are fringe.  Garland, Michie, Bugg and Pedersen perhaps.  I think that given Gawn looks exhaused it's quite possible Spencer comes in. For all Roos said Oscar McDonald was underdone I've seen him from Essendon on and he's looking good to me.

I'm also not sold on Bugg.  He's a bit of a flat track bully for mine and he struggles to produce good performances against good teams.  He is hard but he rarely hurts the opposition and often mucks it up. And being hard shouldn't get you in the team, it should be mandatory for his type of player.  I think he'll let you down (skill wise) when it matters and the last 20 seconds of the game against NM is an example.  The kick to Stretch wasn't difficult.

To some degree the FD need to decide what the footy team looks like going forward and keep to that team primarily.  Next year when we play I want Harmes, Hunt, Wagner, Petracca, Oliver, Gawn, Stretch, Hogan, Brayshaw, AVB and Salem to have as much experience as possible so they get some slack.  ANB and Trengove also need to be given a good run at it to see where they fit.

I've also seen Weideman and Hulett.  Neither are ready IMO but Hulett would be in front of the Weed for mine.

Also I'm a big fan of Jack Grimes but I just can't see the point of giving him games when his papers are so obviously marked. Dunn and Garland seem to be in the same boat and Garland's contract extension now looks wrong.

For all I want to win this year is really about next year.

27 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I'm also not sold on Bugg.  He's a bit of a flat track bully for mine and he struggles to produce good performances against good teams.  He is hard but he rarely hurts the opposition and often mucks it up. And being hard shouldn't get you in the team, it should be mandatory for his type of player.  I think he'll let you down (skill wise) when it matters and the last 20 seconds of the game against NM is an example.  The kick to Stretch wasn't difficult.

 

Totally agree on Bugg. Hardness is putting your head over the ball and taking clean possession, not acts of provocation which Bugg is gaining a reputation. His disposal skills are the worst of any in the team, including T. Mac. ANB or Newton deserve a spot ahead of him.

 

 

 

I'd like to see one or both of Wagner and Hunt make way. Wags looks a bit fatigued and whilst Hunt's line breaking speed is a weapon, when he is getting 5 kicks in a match it only serves you so far. Honestly I'm not as sold on Hunt at this stage as others. He could be handy but far from a future best 22 lock.

The problem we currently have is the most replaceable players are mainly in the backline - Garland, Michie, Wagner - and the players running hot in the seconds are the likes of ANB and Newton. If Jetta is also suspended then the headache increases. 

ANB will come in regardless, and the temptation to bring in Trengove when he seems ready is becoming stronger. His skills and decisonmaking would have an immediate impact on minimising costly turnovers. Sewing Machine Legs Lumumba if fit should come in. He's always a risk, but when he plays well he can be influential. 

9 minutes ago, P-man said:

I'd like to see one or both of Wagner and Hunt make way. Wags looks a bit fatigued and whilst Hunt's line breaking speed is a weapon, when he is getting 5 kicks in a match it only serves you so far. Honestly I'm not as sold on Hunt at this stage as others. He could be handy but far from a future best 22 lock.

The problem we currently have is the most replaceable players are mainly in the backline - Garland, Michie, Wagner - and the players running hot in the seconds are the likes of ANB and Newton. If Jetta is also suspended then the headache increases. 

ANB will come in regardless, and the temptation to bring in Trengove when he seems ready is becoming stronger. His skills and decisonmaking would have an immediate impact on minimising costly turnovers. Sewing Machine Legs Lumumba if fit should come in. He's always a risk, but when he plays well he can be influential. 

agree about the mismatch between probable outs and ins, which makes me think jack grimes might get a look in.

Bugg has been ok without setting the world on fire but would struggle to get a game if Melksham was available