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I don't pretend to know anything about Hogan staying or going. (I hope he stays. He is valuable.)

But I wouldn't read anything into the comments from WCE.

The trade period business is very cloak and dagger for some clubs. It could in fact be a message to current WCE players that they are trade bait if they don't pull up their socks. Or he might be trying to force Freo into offering a higher price because they both have their eye on another player elsewhere, and want to stuff it up for Freo.

Or Hogan's manager might be mates and told him to say it just to stir up MFC.

Lots of strange and underhand goings on over the years ... as they say, lying is the second language of the AFL.

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55 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Goodwins comments here are exactly what I was told from another senior person at MFC.  This is all true.  All that is missing is the reason for Hogan's current stay in WA.  His critically ill father has the potential of stuffing this up for us, but the truth is that it is extremely unlikely Hogan will not re-sign with the Dees.  

Breathtakingly insensitive.

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10 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

I don't pretend to know anything about Hogan staying or going. (I hope he stays. He is valuable.)

But I wouldn't read anything into the comments from WCE.

The trade period business is very cloak and dagger for some clubs. It could in fact be a message to current WCE players that they are trade bait if they don't pull up their socks. Or he might be trying to force Freo into offering a higher price because they both have their eye on another player elsewhere, and want to stuff it up for Freo.

Or Hogan's manager might be mates and told him to say it just to stir up MFC.

Lots of strange and underhand goings on over the years ... as they say, lying is the second language of the AFL.

That's why I said that this could be the Manager getting a bit more for Jesse from us. It is his job after all as a Manager

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1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Breathtakingly insensitive.

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I think he was being facetious. As were you.

I don't think GNF was being insensitive or facetious.  He omitted the word inadvertently ie the timing of the resolution of Jesse's personal situation is not dovetailed to the trade period, nor the AFL season nor his contract expiry and that potentially could cause a suboptimal outcome for the MFC notwithstanding the best intentions of Jesse (and even other parties in this saga).  If you look at my post from several weeks ago you'll see the same assessment, albeit written in more subtle language as the matter of Jesse's father's illness was not being discussed in detail at that point.

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36 minutes ago, Copuchas said:

I don't think GNF was being insensitive or facetious.  He omitted the word inadvertently ie the timing of the resolution of Jesse's personal situation is not dovetailed to the trade period, nor the AFL season nor his contract expiry and that potentially could cause a suboptimal outcome for the MFC notwithstanding the best intentions of Jesse (and even other parties in this saga).  If you look at my post from several weeks ago you'll see the same assessment, albeit written in more subtle language as the matter of Jesse's father's illness was not being discussed in detail at that point.

Thumbs up.

We live in an age where people go searching to find offence. 

Btw, I'm not suggesting LH was, but the grievance industry is alive and well.

According to our latest Australian of the year the word "guys" is now sexist.

But I digress ...

Edit: I hasten to add that I acknowledge you may not endorse my post, or that it adds to yours.

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47 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Breathtakingly insensitive.

Are you serious???

If you are not prepared to be offended or you are over sensitive for God sake never go onto social media.......... especially Demonland.

The truth is the truth. Who and why are we protecting people from the truth?

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2 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Are you serious???

If you are not prepared to be offended or you are over sensitive for God sake never go onto social media.......... especially Demonland.

The truth is the truth. Who and why are we protecting people from the truth?

I usually disagree or question you but in this case I got your back

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7 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Are you serious???

If you are not prepared to be offended or you are over sensitive for God sake never go onto social media.......... especially Demonland.

The truth is the truth. Who and why are we protecting people from the truth?

lol - if i was seeking the truth then social media would be the last place i would look

of course truth depends on whether it's your truth, his truth or the real truth 

just joshing,  gnf

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3 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Are you serious???

If you are not prepared to be offended or you are over sensitive for God sake never go onto social media.......... especially Demonland.

The truth is the truth. Who and why are we protecting people from the truth?

Yes I was serious.  I wasn't doubting the truth of it and it was not the reference to Jesse's father being ill, that I found insensitive...

...It was the reference to 'stuffing it up for us'.  In the circumstances I felt it was a poor choice of words.

If Jesse goes back to play in WA to be with his family so be it.  I will applaud him.  I will not think his father's illness 'stuffed it up for us'. 

You have a different view, that's just fine.

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7 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

See, this is what annoys me.  He's not a 'Prima Donna' forward.  He's a kid.  It's up to the club as a whole to make sure we get the very best out of him - if the transition is slow and the disposal is sub par then of course you aren't going to kick many goals, nor are you going to get a whole lot of the footy.

And the list of players in general without a flag is very long.  It doesn't just go with forwards with stacks of goals.  

74 shots on goal from 21 games (round 13 v Sydney, played in heavy rain, team kicked 4 goals for the entire match) for a return of 41 goals 33, he got his fair share of the footy. A lot of his misses were no more than 35 metres out and a less than 45 degree angle so no, your not going to kick too many when you continue to miss sodas. Yes the midfield has areas it needs to work but so does Hogan.

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Yes I was serious.  I wasn't doubting the truth of it and it was not the reference to Jesse's father being ill, that I found insensitive...

...It was the reference to 'stuffing it up for us'.  In the circumstances I felt it was a poor choice of words.

If Jesse goes back to play in WA to be with his family so be it.  I will applaud him.  I will not think his father's illness 'stuffed it up for us'. 

You have a different view, that's just fine.

I'm with you. Totally inappropriate comment. "If someone tells you you have offended them, you don't get to decide whether you have or not" Louis CK

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On 17/09/2016 at 11:46 PM, Moneider96 said:

Bigfooty: '' Apparently Jesse was at the Wa amateurs grand final with a few Freo players . Don't know who the Freo players were but a mate said it was apparently mentioned on abc radio in Wa who covered the game.''

Well , it's fair to say he's got plenty of mates over there , in footy and outside the game. 

I personally think he's going home to play , I hope I'm wrong.. 

Certainly will miss his fast hands and close in play 

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3 hours ago, Grand New Flag said:

Goodwins comments here are exactly what I was told from another senior person at MFC.  This is all true.  All that is missing is the reason for Hogan's current stay in WA.  His critically ill father has the potential of stuffing this up for us, but the truth is that it is extremely unlikely Hogan will not re-sign with the Dees.  

While I liked the post because it said something positive about him staying, even I am not insensitive enough to word something like that, when his family and mates probably read this site.

Poor form GNF.

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2 hours ago, ProDee said:

Thumbs up.

We live in an age where people go searching to find offence. 

Btw, I'm not suggesting LH was, but the grievance industry is alive and well.

According to our latest Australian of the year the word "guys" is now sexist.

But I digress ...

Edit: I hasten to add that I acknowledge you may not endorse my post, or that it adds to yours.

You're [censored] me?

Really?

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