I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about managing a first year player's workload. It's obvious Oliver is best 22 on ability, but clearly his tank is inadequate at this stage. It doesn't do anyone any good to burn him out.

And surely most posters recognise that from the outside, we are in no position to judge what is an appropriate work load for him. I too am disappointed he's not in, but I just have to trust the judgement of those in charge. It would be silly to think that I know better. 

Wish Brayshaw and Oli were playing with the truck. 

Maybe next week. 

I wanted Oliver in, he's not in, and I couldn't give a [censored]. 

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

So Nutbean what would you have done starting from his Rested situation?? Eh?

He was rested and as the team performed well last week with Brayshaw the only obviously underdone player, Oliver goes to Casey... or would you prefer he comes in at the expense of Petracca who is untried at the top level?

We won't see all of Brayshaw Oliver and Petracca in the team at the same time this year I would say. None of them can run out games and the team can't carry 3 players only doing 65% game time.

29 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about managing a first year player's workload. It's obvious Oliver is best 22 on ability, but clearly his tank is inadequate at this stage. It doesn't do anyone any good to burn him out.

And surely most posters recognise that from the outside, we are in no position to judge what is an appropriate work load for him. I too am disappointed he's not in, but I just have to trust the judgement of those in charge. It would be silly to think that I know better. 

Well you are clearly claiming to know better when you censor much of my brilliant writing Gnasher.

Damn! still two more sleeps to go.

Dees are making a big push to get fans to Etihad 

Demons by 42 points

51 minutes ago, olisik said:

We won't see all of Brayshaw Oliver and Petracca in the team at the same time this year I would say. None of them can run out games and the team can't carry 3 players only doing 65% game time.

olisik - maybe you are being a little too negative.   As the year progresses, and maybe others may miss with a niggle or (hopefully only minor) injury, and they develop stamina I would be a bit surprised if we did not see them all together once or twice at least.

Heard from a very good source that Gus Brayshaw was not impressed with being dropped.  He is just not match fit for the next level.  A couple of weeks in the magoos should get him right.

from what I saw in pre season, Gus had a limited buildup and is a bit behind.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Well if we were to lose because we lack mids and clearances then You might have valid reasons for lamenting Oliver not playing! This might be exacaberated if we go in too top heavy! Agree with your last sentence!!

 I just would have thought forward line talls Hogan , Jack, Petracca plays tall and you have Pederson also in the mix. 

Oliver gives you another mid option and HFF 

IMV better at Etihad Vs Saints going in small! 

But what do I know according to you blokes?? SFA!

If you're alluding to Frost's inclusion here, I don't think he contributes in the same way as a classic tall. He's not terrible below his knees, is very quick and can run all day.

It's hard to argue that any team that has Pederson as a second ruck is going in top heavy.

I think we have the balance right, however, I do worry about the short break and expected a few more changes.

1 hour ago, olisik said:

We won't see all of Brayshaw Oliver and Petracca in the team at the same time this year I would say. None of them can run out games and the team can't carry 3 players only doing 65% game time.

Again, I ask the question - how on earth would you know.

We can debate and have different opinions on Frost or Pedersen as to best for the team as they are both fit and therefore we can argue on frosts athleticism, Pedersens marking, whether we think there is room for both or not.

As to when players are fit to run out a game, need to be managed is something we can only guess at - it is something only the fitness guru's at the club can best answer. 

So if we won't see all 3 of them in the team all year then you were right - if we do you were wrong.....

3 minutes ago, WAClark said:

If you're alluding to Frost's inclusion here, I don't think he contributes in the same way as a classic tall. He's not terrible below his knees, is very quick and can run all day.

It's hard to argue that any team that has Pederson as a second ruck is going in top heavy.

I think we have the balance right, however, I do worry about the short break and expected a few more changes.

i am of the opposite opinion - I think we only need one or the other and I lean to Pedersen until Frost shows me he can impact games more. 

If Brayshaw or Oliver were completely match fit I would have either in the side and have Petracca take Frosts place in the forward line. To me that looks to be a better balance - an extra mid and a forward whom I believe will impact more than Frost. If Frost was clunking marks ( as Pedersen sometimes does) then I would probably agree with keeping him but he is a tall that doesn't play all that tall.

11 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Heard from a very good source that Gus Brayshaw was not impressed with being dropped.  He is just not match fit for the next level.  A couple of weeks in the magoos should get him right.

from what I saw in pre season, Gus had a limited buildup and is a bit behind.

The term "not impressed" tends to suggest that he thinks he's being hard done by. I could understand if he's disappointed, because most players are when they're dropped. But his form to date doesn't warrant being "not impressed".

Any predictions on whether the roof will be closed or not?

3 hours ago, picket fence said:

DEFINATELY!!! POOR SELECTION IMV

so just to be clear PF: you are not happy that Clarry is not in?

1 hour ago, olisik said:

We won't see all of Brayshaw Oliver and Petracca in the team at the same time this year I would say. None of them can run out games and the team can't carry 3 players only doing 65% game time.

We will see them all in the same team in the back half of the year for sure Oli.  Tracca can play deep forward, Brayshaw will be well up to speed in a month from now.  

And Oliver will be in the team cos hes too good not to be.

Edited April 28, 20169 yr by Petraccattack

5 minutes ago, pinkshark said:

so just to be clear PF: you are not happy that Clarry is not in?

That is correct, but I don't want to go over the top with this !!!

17 minutes ago, demon9 said:

Any predictions on whether the roof will be closed or not?

most likely, they shut it last week and it was a perfect sunny day. They expect rain Saturday, so you would assume 99% chance closed.

Just now, picket fence said:

That is correct, but I don't want to go over the top with this !!!

I was only joking PF!   Just jumped on this thread and am smiling at the tussles you are having with everyone.  You are going off!!  I can see your view of course and the other views as well.  We all can.  But this is the way it is at the moment.  I love Oliver.  In fact I don't recall him doing a single wrong thing as yet, not once.  I reckon he would be a bit dark, but as someone pointed out he is only 18.  Just have faith in the combined experience of Roos, McCartney, Goodwin, Rawlings etc etc.  They do not wish to [censored] it up.  They are not being cute.  They wanna win and they wanna play finals footy.  If we are relying on Oliver to get us over the line in in Round 6 then we are in strife in the long run.  

3 minutes ago, pinkshark said:

I was only joking PF!   Just jumped on this thread and am smiling at the tussles you are having with everyone.  You are going off!!  I can see your view of course and the other views as well.  We all can.  But this is the way it is at the moment.  I love Oliver.  In fact I don't recall him doing a single wrong thing as yet, not once.  I reckon he would be a bit dark, but as someone pointed out he is only 18.  Just have faith in the combined experience of Roos, McCartney, Goodwin, Rawlings etc etc.  They do not wish to [censored] it up.  They are not being cute.  They wanna win and they wanna play finals footy.  If we are relying on Oliver to get us over the line in in Round 6 then we are in strife in the long run.  

 Can see the reality of reason!

Edited April 28, 20169 yr by picket fence

I think they'd be tracking the young boys' GPS info pretty closely to ensure they aren't fudging their wellbeing surveys by saying they feel great when really they're probably a bit fatigued and sore.

Maybe the club has fallen for it in the past and they're being extra cautious nowadays? 

35 minutes ago, demon9 said:

Any predictions on whether the roof will be closed or not?

If its sunny closed, if its raining probably open.

51 minutes ago, nutbean said:

i am of the opposite opinion - I think we only need one or the other and I lean to Pedersen until Frost shows me he can impact games more. 

If Brayshaw or Oliver were completely match fit I would have either in the side and have Petracca take Frosts place in the forward line. To me that looks to be a better balance - an extra mid and a forward whom I believe will impact more than Frost. If Frost was clunking marks ( as Pedersen sometimes does) then I would probably agree with keeping him but he is a tall that doesn't play all that tall.

Our balance has looked pretty spot on over the last couple of weeks.

And Frost clunked a few on the weekend as well.  He may not have a huge impact but he is certainly doing his part.