We need another outside runner and to me it is a three way contest between Lumumba, M Jones and Stretch.

Using yesterday's game as a form guide, surely Stretch is stating a case for selection. Lumumba reportedly had little impact and needs to earn back his spot in the side. M Jones has looked decent during the NAB but we know what his ceiling is. I'd have no issue with him being selected but I'd be seriously looking at Billy the kid for Round 1. I'm quite disappointed he didn't get more of a run during the NAB.

3 hours ago, ProDee said:

They're both young and not yet best 22. 

Matt Jones is ahead of Stretch.  He may not be next year or even later in the year, but he's had a great pre-season, is making fewer errors and has the more mature body

The other two have plenty of time.  I like Stretch, but ANB needs to be cleaner.  He's a bit of a fumbler.

I actually think they're different types. Jones to me is purely an outside player, whereas Stretch is good in close, but is used outside because of his lack of physical maturity. 

For round 1, it may come down to Jones or Harmes on the wing, and I think they'll go with Harmes.

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

This is my perfect 2016 Dees team - not Round 1.  

Jetta I Dunn I Garland

Vince I T. McDonald I Salem

Oliver I Viney I Brayshaw

vandenBerg I Hogan I Kent

Garlett I Petracca I Watts

R: Gawn I Tyson I Jones

IC: Trengove I Harmes I Frost I Bugg

E: Pedersen I Lumumba I Kennedy
 

Trac at full forward is an interesting call. Surely in an ideal world he'd be used further up the ground to take full advantage of his physical attributes. I'd be switching him and Hogan around at least.

For the purposes of 2016 alone, I have no issue with Pedersen being a fixture of the front 6. He's become quite reliable. If it's a choice between Frost and Pedo, I choose Pedo.

Ideally, Stretch will be best 22 by season's end. I'd like to see him nudging ahead of Harmes.

4 minutes ago, P-man said:

Trac at full forward is an interesting call. Surely in an ideal world he'd be used further up the ground to take full advantage of his physical attributes. I'd be switching him and Hogan around at least.

For the purposes of 2016 alone, I have no issue with Pedersen being a fixture of the front 6. He's become quite reliable. If it's a choice between Frost and Pedo, I choose Pedo.

Ideally, Stretch will be best 22 by season's end. I'd like to see him nudging ahead of Harmes.

I was waiting to see who would comment on Petracca at FF.  Set positions are largely anachronistic, however, I see the role as ideal. 

Petracca has a great leap, is a fantastic contested mark and leads well.  Eddie Betts plays a pseudo FF role, because he's smart and leads and marks well.

But forget the set positions and just consider him part of a forward rotation.

28 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I actually think they're different types. Jones to me is purely an outside player, whereas Stretch is good in close, but is used outside because of his lack of physical maturity. 

For round 1, it may come down to Jones or Harmes on the wing, and I think they'll go with Harmes.

It makes no difference whether you consider them different types (and you're splitting hairs) they're competing for the same position. 

1 hour ago, P-man said:

We need another outside runner and to me it is a three way contest between Lumumba, M Jones and Stretch.

Using yesterday's game as a form guide, surely Stretch is stating a case for selection. Lumumba reportedly had little impact and needs to earn back his spot in the side. M Jones has looked decent during the NAB but we know what his ceiling is. I'd have no issue with him being selected but I'd be seriously looking at Billy the kid for Round 1. I'm quite disappointed he didn't get more of a run during the NAB.

And there's the problem P man. Not enough hardening up for a youngster whereas experienced players can get away with less match practice.

My Round 1 Team

B: Jetta - Dunn - Garland
HB: Lumumba- T. McDonald - Salem
C: Brayshaw - Tyson - Vince
HF: Kent - Watts - VandenBerg
F: Garlett - Hogan - Harmes
Foll: Gawn - N.Jones - Viney
I/C: Bugg - Kennedy - Oliver - Frost
E: Pederson - Grimes - M.Jones

9 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

My Round 1 Team

B: Jetta - Dunn - Garland
HB: Lumumba- T. McDonald - Salem
C: Brayshaw - Tyson - Vince
HF: Kent - Watts - VandenBerg
F: Garlett - Hogan - Harmes
Foll: Gawn - N.Jones - Viney
I/C: Bugg - Kennedy - Oliver - Frost
E: Pederson - Grimes - M.Jones

How good is it having a selection headache where you're trying to work out who misses? I could very much see this team for round 1, but I also feel that M.Jones will be given first up chance over Harmes. He's had a very good pre-season and his outside run would come in handy v GWS. 

Pederson v Frost is also a question mark, for me Pedo's ahead. I feel he had a more productive pre-season and is a better second ruck. 

Will be very interesting to see the team put up by the match committee. 

My selection headache is that the one player Id have in, instead of Frost or Pederson is Spencer.

I think this is a game where we really need to help Gawn out. No point saying we fought the hard fight and poor Gawny was overwhelmed by the Mummy.

The difference between Frost or Peterson and a resting Spencer in the forward line is not large. The hardness he will bring to the contest when Max takes a break is.

No use crying over someone who cant play but I can imagine Mummy dominating by mid 3rd quarter.

 

 

Problem is Spencer is no close to returning anytime soon.

 

2 hours ago, Franky_31 said:

My selection headache is that the one player Id have in, instead of Frost or Pederson is Spencer.

I think this is a game where we really need to help Gawn out. No point saying we fought the hard fight and poor Gawny was overwhelmed by the Mummy.

The difference between Frost or Peterson and a resting Spencer in the forward line is not large. The hardness he will bring to the contest when Max takes a break is.

No use crying over someone who cant play but I can imagine Mummy dominating by mid 3rd quarter.

 

 

Mumford won't be rucking for 120 minutes, so I'd say they'll be looking to match his time on ground with Maxy's. The rest shared between Pederson, Frost or whoever. 

3 hours ago, Franky_31 said:

My selection headache is that the one player Id have in, instead of Frost or Pederson is Spencer.

I think this is a game where we really need to help Gawn out. No point saying we fought the hard fight and poor Gawny was overwhelmed by the Mummy.

The difference between Frost or Peterson and a resting Spencer in the forward line is not large. The hardness he will bring to the contest when Max takes a break is.

No use crying over someone who cant play but I can imagine Mummy dominating by mid 3rd quarter.

 

 

Surely Mumford is underdone?

FB: Jetta  Dunn Garland
HB: Salem  McDonald Vince
C: Bugg    Jones    ????
HF: Kent   Watts   Kennedy
FF: Garlett  Hogan  ?????
Foll: Gawn  Tyson  Viney
Int: Vanders  Brayshaw  Oliver  ????

Still can't decide the last 3 spots. Has to be either Frost OR Pedersen. Then pick 2 out of 3 from Lumumba, Harmes and Matt Jones. 

Brayshaw to half back is the wildcard move I think. If he can play 50% of game time there it frees up Bugg to stay on a wing and removes the need for Lumumba. Then take your pick of the talls and can probably fit both of Harmes and Matt Jones in. Big question will be if they feel comfortable with Brayshaw at half back without him doing any preseason game time there. 

The other option is Bugg rotates to half back and Harmes plays time on the wing. Again, have they seen enough of him in that spot? Does he have the endurance to go up against Scully, Whitfield etc? 

FF:  Garlett     Hogan     Watts

HF:   Kent     Frost     Vanders

C:    Vince     Jones    Brayshaw

RR:  Viney   Gawn      Tyson 

HB:  Salem  McDonald  Lumumba

FB: Jetta         Dunn     Garland

Int:  Bugg   Kennedy  M.Jones  XXXX

Listening to Roos's presser and training reports this is my expectation.

Lumumba comes in if he says he's right (didn't this happen last year at some stage?). Vanders and Gus good to go. Frost before Pedo for forward defensive pressure to help nullify the GWS half-back run. Bugg and Kennedy to play.

Roos said there were 25 in the mix. Last spot between Harmes, Oliver, Pedersen and Grimes. Interesting question. Not so sure we'll be seeing Clayton just yet.

Edited March 21, 20169 yr by Skuit

26 minutes ago, loges said:

Surely Mumford is underdone?

Agreed. Assuming Mumford does play you would think Gawn should be cherry ripe to run out the whole game on 3 full practice games whilst Mumford had what half? a game. Has he actually been confirmed to play?

GWS says he is right to go. I hope Im overestimating Mumfords fitness. I think he is a champ.

My final guess before teams are announced on Thursday

FB: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Salem McDonald Vince

C: Lumumba Tyson Brayshaw

HF Kent Hogan Watts

F Garlett Pederson Kennedy

R Gawn N.Jones Viney

INT Bugg Harmes vandenBurg Oliver

EMG Stretch Frost Grimes

44 minutes ago, Skuit said:

FF:  Garlett     Hogan     Watts

HF:   Kent     Frost     Vanders

C:    Vince     Jones    Brayshaw

RR:  Viney   Gawn      Tyson 

HB:  Salem  McDonald  Lumumba

FB: Jetta         Dunn     Garland

Int:  Bugg   Kennedy  M.Jones  XXXX

Listening to Roos's presser and training reports this is my expectation.

Lumumba comes in if he says he's right (didn't this happen last year at some stage?). Vanders and Gus good to go. Frost before Pedo for forward defensive pressure to help nullify the GWS half-back run. Bugg and Kennedy to play.

Roos said there were 25 in the mix. Last spot between Harmes, Oliver, Pedersen and Grimes. Interesting question. Not so sure we'll be seeing Clayton just yet.

Agree with your side with one hopeful exception - the last two spots to come down to M.Jones, Harmes, Oliver, Pedersen and Grimes.

I know it's only semantics, but I can't imagine Bugg starting on the bench against his old side and would imagine that they would want to reduce Angus' playing time by starting him on the pine.  Vince will play hbf also, so three-way swap with Lumumba (to bench - gametime safety issue as well) and Kennedy or whoever the lucky one that gets in with Pedo.  

No time like the present...

 

FB:     JETTA                 DUNN                    GARLAND

HB:     LUMUMBA          MCDONALD          SALEM

C:       VINCE                JONES                    HARMES

HF:     WATTS               FROST                   VDB

FF:     GARLETT           HOGAN                  KENT

Fol:     GAWN                 VINEY                   TYSON

Int:     BRAYSHAW          OLIVER                  BUGG               KENNEDY

 

Had Pederson in there, but opted for Harmes instead as, in the past, GWS have run us off our feet.  With them missing some talls, we need to ensure we have the foot-speed to match them. 

Edited March 21, 20169 yr by TeamPlayedFine39
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24 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

Agree with your side with one hopeful exception - the last two spots to come down to M.Jones, Harmes, Oliver, Pedersen and Grimes.

I know it's only semantics, but I can't imagine Bugg starting on the bench against his old side and would imagine that they would want to reduce Angus' playing time by starting him on the pine.  Vince will play hbf also, so three-way swap with Lumumba (to bench - gametime safety issue as well) and Kennedy or whoever the lucky one that gets in with Pedo.  

Yeah - I didn't pay much attention to positions or starters for the bench. I think if Roos is running M. Jones on the wing in a positional sim at training combined with his previous roles as a defensive forward he'll get a gig -  probably at the expense of Grimes. Then it depends if we want another tall in Pedo or some extra coverage in the middle. For all Oliver has done to deserve inclusion, Harmes also had a great NAB and you'd have to expect he is still ahead.

30 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

No time like the present...

 

FB:     JETTA                 DUNN                    GARLAND

HB:     LUMUMBA          MCDONALD          SALEM

C:       VINCE                JONES                    HARMES

HF:     WATTS               FROST                   VDB

FF:     GARLETT           HOGAN                  KENT

Fol:     GAWN                 VINEY                   TYSON

Int:     BRAYSHAW          OLIVER                  BUGG               KENNEDY

 

Had Pederson in there, but opted for Harmes instead as, in the past, GWS have run us off our feet.  With them missing some talls, we need to ensure we have the foot-speed to match them. 

Yup, I think this is the team. Lumumba needs another week at Casey I think. Even then I'm not sure who he would replace in the backline with Bugg playing so well.

I think they won't go with the three talls (Pederson/Frost/Hogan) just because with the cap they will need players to play multiple positions and a good tanks. Harme's seems the fitter forward. I think Frost and Watt's collectively fill Pederson's role as a lead up forward playing up the ground. Harmes can roll through the middle and tag on a wing or across half back too. Will need his tackling skills.

Will be interesting to see if Kennedy can hold a position in the side. It is hard for someone who has limited touches to show a lot but hopefully he follows in Kent's footsteps by showing aggression and pressure when the opposition have the footy.

Edited March 21, 20169 yr by mongrel

Have seen a few teams with Kennedy, Harmes, Kent and Garlett all in the same team. Too many forward pockets for mine. Ditch one of them (Not Garlett) and add another midfielder. For the people that say they can rotate through the midfield...You don't honestly believe that do you? None of them have the fitness base for it.

The footy is back this week! Man that feels good to say

Roos has indicated that Oscar MacDonald is in the mix for GWS. Maybe Garland or Dunn are under a cloud for GWS?

Just now, Optimus D said:

Roos has indicated that Oscar MacDonald is in the mix for GWS. Maybe Garland or Dunn are under a cloud for GWS?

I feel like it may be a matchup thing. Considering the Giants have a pretty tall forward line. Even without Jezza - Patton (50/50), Tomlinson, Lobb, Hoskin-Elliott