We're locked out of trading a future 1st next year (can't trade future picks in consecutive trade periods). GCS have a gun academy player coming through next year, a combination of picks may be just as valuable as a singular first rounder, so Prestia could still be traded for.

The Suns have a few gun Academy players coming through next year, so they might want picks that have high point value

Am enjoying the banter / debate. We all see it a tad different and thats fine.

Kudos to all for not allowing it to descend into bickering and name calling.

I've no real idea who we will take but its sure to be interesting if not for who we take alone but who we don't. This might offer up clues as to where the club sees us taking steps and strides.

In past years up until recent ones I have been quite concerned. Im almost ambivalent yet still curious.

Other than horsetrading for them these might well be our last use of early picks for some time. I don't mind that at all.

Go you good Dees

We're locked out of trading a future 1st next year (can't trade future picks in consecutive trade periods). GCS have a gun academy player coming through next year, a combination of picks may be just as valuable as a singular first rounder, so Prestia could still be traded for.

You sure that's how it works?

I thought it worked something like you had to use your 1st round pick two years out of 4 or something similar. That doesn't preclude you from trading 2017's 1st pick.

My reading...i might be wrong...it hapoens

I'm on the Parish and McKay wagon, assuming Weideman is gone by 7.

Curnow seems too similar to Petracca in size and style, and given Mckay is 17 and raw, he'd be an ideal candidate for second tall with ruck time potential in 2017.

It's rare to find a KPP prospect that will have the impact that Hogan did for us this year, but we really do need to prepare our list with an eye to the future.

Which is what we've been doing in regards to talls/KPP's: King, Oscar Mac, Frost.

As everyone keeps saying, KPP's take time. Let's give them time.

I think Frost's impact was intended to be a little more immediate than the other two.

A 10 year player perhaps, but definitely not a project player as such.

Not only are the best talls at the pointy end of the draft - the best players invariably are - unfortunately that doesn't mean that the pointy end ensures a good player but that is another painful story...

Take the best available.

Good players and winning games will get him to stick around (along with a healthy wage)...

Can't see us getting Prestia without trading out a Salem or Tyson. It's what they would ask for.

Which is what we've been doing in regards to talls/KPP's: King, Oscar Mac, Frost.

As everyone keeps saying, KPP's take time. Let's give them time.

The reason I want Curnow or Weideman isn't so much for a tall forward but for a goal kicker.

I like those guys you've named but they seem suited to either key back or 2nd ruck.

We can't rely on Hogan and Garlett to kick all our goals and the best goal kickers are usually talls.

It's going to be hard to develop a more attacking team if we still only have 2 options to goal.

I don't have enough knowledge of the kids, but I hope that when we moved up to 3 it was because we really had a player in mind.

As to requirements, pick 3 should be the best available and sounds like it gets down to Parish or Curnow and you would hope that whoever they choose will play at some stage in 2016.

Given that there are at least two talls around the pick 7-10 mark, you would hope that we take one as a project player - I don't know which of Weidemann or McKay, I just hope we don't just keep getting midfielders - eg: Oliver.

The reason for this is that if we improve next year, then you would like to think that a gun midfielder such as Prestia will want to jump ship - assumes GC's problems remain however.

My hypothetical team for Rd 1, 2017

B: White Frost O.Mac

HB: Salem T.Mac Brayshaw

C: Vandenburg N.Jones Stretch

HF: Petracca Weidemann/McKay Prestia

F: Garlett Hogan Harmes/Curnow

Ru: Gawn Vince Viney

Int: Tyson, Neal-Bullen, Garland, Kennedy/Kent

Can't see us getting Prestia without trading out a Salem or Tyson. It's what they would ask for.

Like Geelong traded Duncan for Danger...

Answer me this. Which has more depth right now as we speak. Our forward line or our midfield?

There is no point having a great fwd line if you only get the ball in there 20 times a game......

Like Geelong traded Duncan for Danger...

they had 1st rounders to deal

There is no point having a great fwd line if you only get the ball in there 20 times a game......

I think this is our last shot at building a forward line 'jnrmac', the midfield is on the improve and will take a big leap next season with Brayshaw, Petracca, Viney and Tyson all likely to step up a notch or 2

...we can then look at trading in or picking up another gun mid when we are looking a good prospect which we will.

KPF's are not so easy to get.

Edited November 17, 20159 yr by rjay

they had 1st rounders to deal

Yep, my point really is that a deal will get done if the player wants to get to a club and you don't have to sell the farm to get him.

A club can ask all they like but 'olisik' putting up Salem or Tyson, well it's not going to happen. I think these guys will be better anyway and we will start to see that next season.

Remember, this is the guy that says it will be a disaster if we don't take Oliver. It won't be, even if Oliver turns out to be a gun I think we will get a couple of good players with our 2 first round picks.

Anyway, don't sweat Prestia, he's good but not the only game in town. We're on the right track.

D Day for Weideman tomorrow.. Personally i am not a fan of using pick 3 on him to be honest.. we'd be silly to pass on Parish. Curnow Mckay or Weid one of 3 will be there at 7.

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Any chance that one of the Clubs with academy players fails to match a bid at 2, 3, 4, or whichever pick they are bid at? Any of these clubs not have the points to match really high bids? Could we realistically end up with Kennedy or Mills?

If I am showing a lack of understanding of the system, please kick me in the rrrse and tell me to shut the f up.

Any chance that one of the Clubs with academy players fails to match a bid at 2, 3, 4, or whichever pick they are bid at? Any of these clubs not have the points to match really high bids? Could we realistically end up with Kennedy or Mills?

If I am showing a lack of understanding of the system, please kick me in the rrrse and tell me to shut the f up.

I'm not sure if they can use future picks to match bids, but if not then Sydney can't match pick 1. I haven't looked into the other clubs with academy and FS picks.

You want an instant fix. The club is building a list that will compete for a flag in 2020.

Having a quality key forward to partner Hogan is part of that puzzle.

I'll back the recruiters if they use P3 or P7 on one. Quality key forwards are nearly always drafted at the pointy end.

2020? What happened to 2014???

Which is what we've been doing in regards to talls/KPP's: King, Oscar Mac, Frost.

As everyone keeps saying, KPP's take time. Let's give them time.

I agree with you in that King and O Mac need time, but I think Frost is ready (provided he's fit). The issue that I see is that two of these players seem to be better backs, while the jury is still out on whether King will make it, and if he does, what he'll be. I don't think that our KPP stocks are deep enough at the moment, and picking a high-quality tall in this draft is a surefire way to fix them.

If we do pick a KPP early on...

Worst case scenario: None of our KPP prospects come good and we have to rely on Hogan going solo or trade in a partner for him.

Likely scenario: A couple of these players make it, we find a solid partner to work in tandem with Hogan, everyone's happy.

Best case scenario: All of our KPP prospects come good and set the world on fire. We trade the excess out, and as we all know, KPPs have an inflated value in the trade market.

Edited November 17, 20159 yr by Good Times Grimes

Any chance that one of the Clubs with academy players fails to match a bid at 2, 3, 4, or whichever pick they are bid at? Any of these clubs not have the points to match really high bids? Could we realistically end up with Kennedy or Mills?

If I am showing a lack of understanding of the system, please kick me in the rrrse and tell me to shut the f up.

They've traded down so much they know they now have to match. Even if they go in deficit (which they realistically won't), we won't get Mills, Kennedy or Hopper.

Can't see us getting Prestia without trading out a Salem or Tyson. It's what they would ask for.

wont happen . In a years time Salem will be almost on par . Tyson wont be traded either. Most likely be trading picks. At years end we probably will want to keep a lot of the list. How novel.

wont happen . In a years time Salem will be almost on par . Tyson wont be traded either. Most likely be trading picks. At years end we probably will want to keep a lot of the list. How novel.

Reading things like this excites me. I have really high hopes for Salem. Do others agree he could potentially be one of our best?

Reading things like this excites me. I have really high hopes for Salem. Do others agree he could potentially be one of our best?

Is it me or does he remind you a bit of Luke Hodge once he fully develops.