Those others either completely dropped off or were riddled with injuries. Toumpas was healthier, fitter and had his best season with us.

Or we could've just said we're keeping Toumpas and directly dealt with the Pies.

He did not want to stay at the Dees it is that simple.

People need to look at it this way.

We have Hogan. Therefore we win everything.

Yeah, lets get out of this trade period before they give him away for a bag of chips as well.

Mahoney said that the trades " gives us the picks needed to facilitate further trades before Thursday’s trade deadline.” I assume that pick 50 is for Bugg. Maybe there will be something else in there? Don't know who else we are linked to though.

If so she's delusional (and/or doing the clubs PR work) and so are you for swallowing the tripe.

Prove her otherwise then. Quayle is generally spot on and doesn't just put out tripe like guys like Clark or Ralph. She is always on the money during these times of the year, so forgive me for doing so, but I'll take her word over yours.

Yeah, lets get out of this trade period before they give him away for a bag of chips as well.

All we were trading was salt and vinegar.

From today's AFL trade wrap:

GWS' Tomas Bugg remains on track to join the Demons, with the club expected to use a third round pick for the 22-year-old, who has performed well in 65 games with the Giants.

I'd be happy with pick 50 for Bugg.

Those others either completely dropped off or were riddled with injuries. Toumpas was healthier, fitter and had his best season with us.

Or we could've just said we're keeping Toumpas and directly dealt with the Pies.

That's the point. Kennedy + pick 32 is pretty fair for Howe. Unless pick 50 brings us something better than Bugg, why the need to involve Port?

With Toump moving back home it wouldn't suprise me if he became a better player now that he is going to be in his own environment.

Time will tell.

He did not want to stay at the Dees it is that simple.

I don't think it's that simple. I'm sure he'd prefer playing in SA but I think Howe was less committed to the club and yet he played all 22 games in 2015. We should play hard ball with a pick 4 at such an early stage of his career no matter what his intentions are anyway

Happy this is done and unlike many i think we got overs considering the year both Howe and Toumpas had. One couldnt get a game the other a kick so to get a player and 2 picks we smile and say thanks

That's the point. Kennedy + pick 32 is pretty fair for Howe. Unless pick 50 brings us something better than Bugg, why the need to involve Port?

We involve Port to do the right thing by a player on our list we don't rate, who wants to go.

I have no gripes with Toump, he wasn't a lazy pr!ck demanding way too much cash then turning around and screwing us over with the GC deal. Howe on the other hand....................i wouldn't bat an eye-lid if he fell off the face of the Earth.

Pick 50 for Bugg is a good trade if that is how it goes. Somehow, I just get the feeling 29 will be involved in the Bugg deal.

#50 for Bugg and then #29, #46 & #64 for #17 from Brisbane.

We might even look to package next year's second round pick with #6 for #3.

He's in talks with Carlton & St Kilda so not that entrenched.

That's good then. Apparently good mates with Dom Tyson too.

Not really, as of early last week we weren't even talking with him. Maybe something has changed since then.

Prove her otherwise then. Quayle is generally spot on and doesn't just put out tripe like guys like Clark or Ralph. She is always on the money during these times of the year, so forgive me for doing so, but I'll take her word over yours.

i rate quayle but no one is always right. Tons of anecdotal backstory to suggest it was Wines not Kennedy. We know the rest

Bugg for 50 sounds good to me. 29 I wouldn't be happy. As for the terliches and joneses of the world. Seems the club was happy to pay out Evans with a year left on contact so you never know. Spencer is required as ruck back up.

Pick 50 for Bugg is a good trade if that is how it goes. Somehow, I just get the feeling 29 will be involved in the Bugg deal.

We have 46 which sounds a little better and hopefully gets it done.

Not sure what the source of this tweet was, but it's interesting nonetheless if Port were offering us that a week ago and we demanded more yet we seemingly settled for less

"AFL 24/7 ‏@AFLTrade Oct 12

Melbourne want more than Andrew Moore or Aaron Young or a second round pick from Port Adelaide for Jimmy Toumpas. #AFL #AFLTrade"

Edited October 19, 201510 yr by Je Roos Salem

Saints set to give pies second round pick for freeman. Bloke hasn't got a game yet and has buggered hammies

Not sure what the source of this tweet was, but it's interesting nonetheless if Port were offering us that a week ago and we demanded more yet we seemingly settled for less

"AFL 24/7 ‏@AFLTrade Oct 12

Melbourne want more than Andrew Moore or Aaron Young or a second round pick from Port Adelaide for Jimmy Toumpas. #AFL #AFLTrade"

Well 50 is more than 29, is it not?

Can I make a suggestion to those that are livid, morose, suicidal, despondent or just a tad miffed.

It's not over. The whole trade/draft period must be seen as a whole.

Theres a start...and a finish...when draft picks used.

This years are only worth what you can get for your needs. They have no other value and each team will have a different value...just like currencies.

If Mahoney and co have a clear idea of what/who they want and can get it or near then THATS the yatdstick .

Its way too early to chuck hissies etc.

All things are relevant .

Its trash and treasure time

Chill...breathe...wait.

Just wait

Jimmy just tweeted.....

@JToumpas: I am so excited though to start fresh at the @PAFC! A club that is based around hard work. It's a journey I can't wait to begin!

The hard work comment?

Are we not based around it?

Concerning?

Well 50 is more than 29, is it not?

That could be the club's line of thinking. Toumpas was the 4th worst in that draft.

Anyone know what pick 6 & 29 equate to points wise?

6 = 1751 and 29 = 653 so 2404. 3 = 2234 and added to 49 which is worth 287 would be a fairly even trade.