Post Match Discussion - Round 21

[DemonWA 3,888]

*I enjoyed watching the second half

*enjoyment is all relative, I’ll be at Subiaco this weekend watching goals rain over our backlines heads all day long

[Bossdog 2,002]

I'm as disappointed with the last two weeks as I could have been, like every other supporter, but I can't believe the reaction of supporters. Bloody hell the answer is not sack Nathan Jones (3 time B&F winner)has had 2 really bad games but has given a hell of a lot to the club and will again.

When will people learn that players are human and have ups and downs in their lives.

Are we becoming like Richmond supporters and burning our memberships in the microwave? or dumping chicken [censored] at the club?

Are we better than last year?....Yes

Are we in the bottom four?.....No

Have we beaten Collingwood, Richmond, Geelong, Bulldogs(most heading for finals)?.....Yes

Have we had some very disappointing losses?.....Yes

Did the sun come up this morning?.........Yes it did.

I understand that this is the place to vent your anger but really some of the comments are like 4 year olds tossing out the toys from the cot and temper tantrums.

See you all next year (Memberships in hand)

[jumbo returns 6,703]

There will be a different bunch in the sheds all season next year, the same as there is every single other year, at this club where nothing works

Of course, we're all upset.

But.....some AFL quality players will help.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

They are not unskilled.

They are uncommitted.

Got to agree with that. Ive seen these players do amazing things this year.

[old dee 23,505]

Got to agree with that. Ive seen these players do amazing things this year.

Flukes happen to the worst of us

[jnrmac 19,905]

Every team could say that about every game, it's a cop out.

And we were supposed to be playing like 'maniacs' according to Roos after the Dogs game......

[old dee 23,505]

And we were supposed to be playing like 'maniacs' according to Roos after the Dogs game......

As you well know Jnr talk is cheap actions are what counts.

As the saying goes it is hard to pull up yours socks when you don't have any on.

[Gator 17,261]

I'm as disappointed with the last two weeks as I could have been, like every other supporter, but I can't believe the reaction of supporters. Bloody hell the answer is not sack Nathan Jones (3 time B&F winner)has had 2 really bad games but has given a hell of a lot to the club and will again.

When will people learn that players are human and have ups and downs in their lives.

Are we becoming like Richmond supporters and burning our memberships in the microwave? or dumping chicken [censored] at the club?

Are we better than last year?....Yes

Are we in the bottom four?.....No

Have we beaten Collingwood, Richmond, Geelong, Bulldogs(most heading for finals)?.....Yes

Have we had some very disappointing losses?.....Yes

Did the sun come up this morning?.........Yes it did.

I understand that this is the place to vent your anger but really some of the comments are like 4 year olds tossing out the toys from the cot and temper tantrums.

See you all next year (Memberships in hand)

To a large degree footy is effort based. Obviously experience and talent is hugely important, but much of it has to do with effort and resilience.

Collingwood was a 10 goal better team that the Saints in the 2010 GF replay just 7 days after a draw.

Unfortunately, footy changes on a weekly basis and we never know which Melbourne side will turn up on the day.

[old dee 23,505]

To a large degree footy is effort based. Obviously experience and talent is hugely important, but much of it has to do with effort and resilience.

Collingwood was a 10 goal better team that the Saints in the 2010 GF replay just 7 days after a draw.

Unfortunately, footy changes on a weekly basis and we never know which Melbourne side will turn up on the day.

Sadly we do most weeks ProDee and it ain't pretty.

[jumbo returns 6,703]

Sadly we do most weeks ProDee and it ain't pretty.

It'll get prettier when blokes that are not even VFL level will be given their marching orders.

EDFL awaits for them.

[old dee 23,505]

It'll get prettier when blokes that are not even VFL level will be given their marching orders.

EDFL awaits for them.

Your generous today jr

[jumbo returns 6,703]

Your generous today jr

Gracious in defeat, od.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

It'll get prettier when blokes that are not even VFL level will be given their marching orders.

EDFL awaits for them.

The problem is the chances are the players who come in won't be all that much better.

[jumbo returns 6,703]

The problem is the chances are the players who come in won't be all that much better.

I think the drafting's been okay over the last couple of years, notwithstanding one massive howler....

[angrydee 842]

The problem is the chances are the players who come in won't be all that much better.

And if they are to start with, it won't take long for them to learn to play 'demon footy' and become hacks

[Coq au vin 755]

They certainly did mate

How true is it though? How far back do you have to go to find a season where we didn't have a bunch of our best 22 miss massive parts of the season. It is just par for the course every year.

No doubt it has something to do with the fact that our footy department has less budget than everyone else and therefore we pay the lowest for all the industry dregs that are our staff 'professionals' and the equipment etc and as such we have a bottom rung fitness/medical equation. If you are one of the better sports physios in the city why would you take a job with the Dees when the Hawks will pay you more. Very simple.

have a look at other clubs' injury lists. Most of them are pretty long.

[Coq au vin 755]

As I said, I am as annoyed with the result (and thus the players, coaching staff... etc) as anyone else

If we are going to lose though I would much rather lose knowing that if a couple of small things went our way we would have won, than get belted off the park.

Carlton are a hopeless team. We should have absolutely thrashed them.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

I'm as disappointed with the last two weeks as I could have been, like every other supporter, but I can't believe the reaction of supporters. Bloody hell the answer is not sack Nathan Jones (3 time B&F winner)has had 2 really bad games but has given a hell of a lot to the club and will again.

When will people learn that players are human and have ups and downs in their lives.

Are we becoming like Richmond supporters and burning our memberships in the microwave? or dumping chicken [censored] at the club?

Are we better than last year?....Yes

Are we in the bottom four?.....No

Have we beaten Collingwood, Richmond, Geelong, Bulldogs(most heading for finals)?.....Yes

Have we had some very disappointing losses?.....Yes

Did the sun come up this morning?.........Yes it did.

I understand that this is the place to vent your anger but really some of the comments are like 4 year olds tossing out the toys from the cot and temper tantrums.

See you all next year (Memberships in hand)

Yes I agree with a lot of what you said....but......is it really that bad to microwave memberships and send dung to the club?....Since Richmond did that they have become one of the better sides. I dont think there is anything wrong with supporters demanding high standards from their club.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Wadda We Sing

[jumbo returns 6,703]

Yes I agree with a lot of what you said....but......is it really that bad to microwave memberships and send dung to the club?....Since Richmond did that they have become one of the better sides. I dont think there is anything wrong with supporters demanding high standards from their club.

Better list.

Excellent backline with Rance (Brownlow top 5 for mine)...forwards are well led by Jack R and they have several leaders.

Their 'bottom' half play with fire and intensity. Ours don't.

Their coach and leaders demand standards. We reward poor performances. They don't.

[Demonland 70,326]

NO MORE PROMISES ... JUST SEND THE APOLOGY by George on The Outer

During the week, the Melbourne supporters were regaled with the near weekly promises of “improved performances more focus, tougher and harder”. It all means nothing because we have been promised this for at least the past seven or eight years and at the end of it we can barely muster half a dozen wins in a season.

We all remember Cameron Bruce trotting out the same mantra, over 5 years ago, and we can be sure that Jack Watts or Max Gawn or Tom McDonald will be called out this week to perform a similar task. Honestly the club must think we supporters are sheep, deserving of nothing better.

Worse is now this week, the Coaches have taken up the mantle of spin-doctors. Jade Rawlings promised us that:

“We’ve certainly amped the players up this week for what we expect and with the chats they’ve had among themselves – they certainly know what to expect from each other.”

Paul Roos promised us this week:

“From our point of view, we’ve got to reset for the three [remaining] games,”

And the players response to being reset and amped up … another five goal first quarter deficit, two lousy goals to half-time and a seven goal match total ….again!

And this, against the bottom side on the ladder who had only managed three wins this season.

It was a good thing they came into the game so fired up, or the result would have been a lot worse!

What we the Fans want now is an apology. Demonland has rightly demanded this after yet another wasted season of miserable performances and downright disgraceful efforts.

Do these same players think that we cannot see you running at half-pace while your opponents run away freely? Do you think we cannot see when you prefer to avoid a marking contest? Do you think we cannot see how slow you are to move the ball? Do you think we cannot see when you don’t honour the hard work of others to get to space?

If there was ANY sort of positive from today it is with the likes of Brayshaw, Viney, Hogan, Jones and Vince. They are the only true footballers in the side today. Sadly three of them are mere kids who should have been rested long ago in this hard season, but we have no-one to replace them.

NO-ONE!

When Casey has the likes of Fitzpatrick, Jamar, Riley, McKenzie, Bail, M Jones and Terlich running around, unable to get into a side like ours at the moment, you start to appreciate the extent of the problem.

When we have to play Stretch, Harmes, ANB, and Newton in our starting 18 then the problem is of even greater magnitude, as these kids should be undergoing an apprenticeship not being destroyed at senior level.

Sadly, Daniel Cross has reached the end of the road, despite his big heart and efforts. Another hole that we should be filling for next year. Garlett despite a good haul of goals for the year, simply goes missing for most of the games he plays in. Chris Dawes cannot take a mark and is useful only as a big body.

The holes in the playing list are monumental and potentially getting worse. Where is the hope for the future that a Club needs to sell to supporters?

Nathan Jones is obviously carrying an injury and has been for a good part of the season. However, it doesn’t stop him trying his guts out every week. It must break his heart to see the efforts of others in his side that are simply not up to AFL standard.

Jack Watts put in a more than serviceable game with 9 marks, 3 tackles and 19 disposals. Viv Michie probably saved his career with a 21 disposal effort. Tom McDonald was simply fantastic as once again he was thrown into the ruck to relieve Gawn, and finished up playing a ruck-rover type of role for the greater part of the game. How long has it been since a Melbourne player took 10 marks in a game?

Max Gawn has cemented his ruck role in the side as number 1 with another 39 hit outs against the much vaunted Matthew Kruezer. When he builds a bigger engine, he will be a really potent force, but without decent support around him, it will all be for nothing.

With next weeks game against Fremantle in Subiaco potentially being another shellacking, the only real hope is that Fremantle rest a dozen or more of their side as they have done in the past, in the lead up to finals. They cannot lose their top 2 spot, but even with half a side they should still easily defeat the Melbourne side that has been turning up for the past couple of months.

No more promises, just apologise.

*Apologise to those on the bus who travelled from south Gippsland to watch the day's performance.

* Apologise to the young Chinese family decked out in Demon colours who want to be part of our Australian culture.

* Apologise to the tired old blokes in faded Demon outfits who have been watching the game since Ron was running around the field.

* Apologise to those kids who will be laughed at and taunted tomorrow at school, again.

AND DON’T MAKE ANY MORE PROMISES … BECAUSE YOU DON’T DELIVER!

Melbourne 1.2.8 2.3.15 6.9.45 7.13.55

Carlton 6.2.38 10.2.62 11.3.69 12.6.78

Goals

Melbourne Dawes Garlett Gawn Grimes Jones Newton Watts

Carlton Kreuzer 4 Walker 3 Cripps Everitt 2 Watson

Best

Melbourne McDonald Michie Watts Newton Viney

Carlton Cripps Kreuzer Tutt Curnow Murphy Docherty

Changes

Melbourne Nil

Carlton Casboult (knee) replaced in selected side by Watson

Injuries

Melbourne Heritier Lumumba (ankle)

Carlton Menzel (shoulder) Murphy (shoulder) Jamison (concussion) Kreuzer (back)

Substitutes

Melbourne Heritier Lumumba (ankle) replaced by Alex Neal-Bullen in the second quarter

Carlton Marc Murphy (shoulder) replaced by David Ellard in the third quarter

Reports

Melbourne Nil

Carlton Nil

Umpires Foot Ryan Hay Armstrong

Official crowd 33,962 at the MCG

[What 18,810]

Our goal kicking accuracy has been a disgrace the last couple of months

[old dee 23,505]

Carlton are a hopeless team. We should have absolutely thrashed them.

So where does that leave us?

[old dee 23,505]

Our goal kicking accuracy has been a disgrace the last couple of months

You can drop "goal" h_h

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,217]

How many A graders now??

Take out 1-2 year players we have mainly c grade players.

We are a mess.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

I'm as disappointed with the last two weeks as I could have been, like every other supporter, but I can't believe the reaction of supporters. Bloody hell the answer is not sack Nathan Jones (3 time B&F winner)has had 2 really bad games but has given a hell of a lot to the club and will again.When will people learn that players are human and have ups and downs in their lives.Are we becoming like Richmond supporters and burning our memberships in the microwave? or dumping chicken [censored] at the club?Are we better than last year?....YesAre we in the bottom four?.....NoHave we beaten Collingwood, Richmond, Geelong, Bulldogs(most heading for finals)?.....YesHave we had some very disappointing losses?.....YesDid the sun come up this morning?.........Yes it did.I understand that this is the place to vent your anger but really some of the comments are like 4 year olds tossing out the toys from the cot and temper tantrums.See you all next year (Memberships in hand)

I don't like to be doom and gloom Boosdog and I readily admit we are missing some players but the effort level yesterday was so poor I can't describe. We virtually got zero input from our key mids. Jones, vince, Viney etc....

I don't understand how and why so many players can be off in one game. I haven't even brought up the [censored] weak games from Howe garland, watts, grimes and Dawes are perennial turnover kings. It was the worst game I've ever seen cross play for the club

I seriously don't understand how we go from beating the pies to that in 2-3 weeks

It was disgusting on so many levels.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Unleash Hell