Jump to content


Recommended Posts

Posted
7 hours ago, Jesus Hoganshaw said:

nat-fyfe-2015-brownlow-628.jpg

Two years to go on his contract. Will come out of contract as a restricted free agent. Freo have bigger fish to fry.

 

lol he's not leaving WA.

Posted
4 minutes ago, praha said:

 

lol he's not leaving WA.

He may not have to. I'm sure WC would pay whatever it takes to get him and there is avery strong argument to say WC are much closer to a flag than Freo playing in a winning GF team is one of Fyfe's key motivations.

Posted
8 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

I think he will sign the extension before the start of next season after bagging 60 goals this year and the team on the cusp of finals.......

 

Ain't delusions grand

Posted
21 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Ain't delusions grand

 

Dont think anything he said is too far fetched at all, CHook

  • Like 1

Posted
10 hours ago, ProDee said:

You have the ability to compartmentalise.

So many supporters here not reading the tea leaves...

He doesn't want to live in Perth (yet), so dismiss the "go home factor"

He's "loyal" - a point his manager is keen to point out 

He only extended his last contract 18 months ago

He's only got one season under his belt

With two years still to run he and his advisers think another year to show his wares (and confirm that the Dees are on the right track) makes perfect sense

There are many players on the list (Harmes, Kent, JKH, Tom Mc, Petracca, etc.) that he is very close to and player relationships is one of the major reasons players don't go

He's well aware of his importance to the team and would feel a real responsibility to help make a difference - it might be different if he was 26 and had already given plenty of service 

I'm very relaxed about the situation. 

I'm not as relaxed as you and you know my reasons.

I point to other players who were chased by opposition clubs - apart from Cloke, there was no hesitation to go elsewhere.

Cripps - signs again

Sidebottom - ready to commit

Pavlich - has resisted huge offers from both Port and the Crows for many years

Many, many more I've missed....

Why can't Hogan (who has an ability to speak, I hope) come out and say he's going to sign, but not until after a season of footy behind him?

Why create knots in the underpants?

 

Posted
7 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

I'm not as relaxed as you and you know my reasons.

I point to other players who were chased by opposition clubs - apart from Cloke, there was no hesitation to go elsewhere.

Cripps - signs again

Sidebottom - ready to commit

Pavlich - has resisted huge offers from both Port and the Crows for many years

Many, many more I've missed....

Why can't Hogan (who has an ability to speak, I hope) come out and say he's going to sign, but not until after a season of footy behind him?

Why create knots in the underpants?

 

Pretty important decision, i reckon he is well within his rights to not be certain.


Posted

I personally would not sign two years out, I think he is doing the right thing.

Sure, I'd be happier if he did, but the fact his manager has stayed he won't break contract either is a sign that he isn't thinking of going right now.

I think he will re-sign with us early next year for three years, after that he may go back home. 

  • Like 3
Posted
19 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

I'm not as relaxed as you and you know my reasons.

I point to other players who were chased by opposition clubs - apart from Cloke, there was no hesitation to go elsewhere.

Cripps - signs again

Sidebottom - ready to commit

Pavlich - has resisted huge offers from both Port and the Crows for many years

Many, many more I've missed....

Why can't Hogan (who has an ability to speak, I hope) come out and say he's going to sign, but not until after a season of footy behind him?

Why create knots in the underpants?

 

scully said as much the year he left. words mean nothing

Hogan cant predict the future so doesnt want to say something he might regret even if he is 99% sure.  fair enough i reckon

Posted (edited)

I have been reading this thread throughout without contributing, but I feel the need to add my two-bobs-worth (apologies to young folk who have NFI what that expression means).

Hogan has already extended his contract. He will be an MFC player for at least two more seasons in that time we will be inside the top eight.... IF we continue to improve at the rate we improved in 2015. I keep hearing that Hogan will stay if the team shows that sort of improvement (Finalists!)... that is where I would like to make an important observation/modification... Its not just about the team improving/imposing itself/increasing output ... the upward trend is very dependent on Hogan improving/imposing himself/increasing output. If Hogan kicks 65 goals this season we are going to be in the fight for the top eight at the business end. If he kicks 80 goals in 2017 we will be close to top four. If that happens Hogan will be saying "Where do I sign?". So the future for Hogan at the MFC is very much in Hogan's capable hands. If he doesn't rise to those levels the Team won't rise to those levels. To summarise... If Hogan is as good as we all think the future takes care of itself! Relax fellow Demons, sit back, belt up and enjoy the ride.

Edited by waynewussell
  • Like 6
Posted
46 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

I'm not as relaxed as you and you know my reasons.

I point to other players who were chased by opposition clubs - apart from Cloke, there was no hesitation to go elsewhere.

Cripps - signs again

Sidebottom - ready to commit

Pavlich - has resisted huge offers from both Port and the Crows for many years

Many, many more I've missed....

Why can't Hogan (who has an ability to speak, I hope) come out and say he's going to sign, but not until after a season of footy behind him?

Why create knots in the underpants?

 

??????

 

Who says Hogan won't be our Pav?

  • Like 2
Posted
20 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I thought it was me. We should form a club lol

We could call it demonland 

Posted
1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

i heard the club was looking for a horse's head. you must have a spare one biffo.

When I do deals I usually resort to Chinese negotiating tactics and make them an offer they can't understand.

Posted
1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

I'm not as relaxed as you and you know my reasons.

I point to other players who were chased by opposition clubs - apart from Cloke, there was no hesitation to go elsewhere.

Cripps - signs again

Sidebottom - ready to commit

Pavlich - has resisted huge offers from both Port and the Crows for many years

Many, many more I've missed....

Why can't Hogan (who has an ability to speak, I hope) come out and say he's going to sign, but not until after a season of footy behind him?

Why create knots in the underpants?

 

He's not responsible for "the knots in your underpants".  You are. 

As a sign of good faith Hogan extended 18 months ago, but seemingly that's not good enough for you.

FFS, the guy has 2 seasons left on his contract and he's saying I'll negotiate at the end of this year.  Bloody reasonable if you ask me.

  • Like 4
Posted

Not sure if this link has been posted before.

Roos confirming the club also thought it best to postpone talks until end of season.

Interesting that apparently 'others' out of contract are awaiting Hogan extending before resigning... McDonald and...?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/paul-roos-says-melbourne-agreed-to-put-jesse-hogan-contract-talks-off-until-seasons-end/news-story/cf578526fceee79b8767436ac126642e?from=herald%20sun_rss

Posted
1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

I'm not as relaxed as you and you know my reasons.

I point to other players who were chased by opposition clubs - apart from Cloke, there was no hesitation to go elsewhere.

Cripps - signs again

Sidebottom - ready to commit

Pavlich - has resisted huge offers from both Port and the Crows for many years

Many, many more I've missed....

Why can't Hogan (who has an ability to speak, I hope) come out and say he's going to sign, but not until after a season of footy behind him?

Why create knots in the underpants?

 

Because if Hogan said this his negotiating power is reduced to zero.  By saying 'I'm gonna sign on no matter what' he goes from potentially 1 million a year to a small fraction of that.  

To negotiate a suitable long term contract, threre has to be an element of danger there- in this case, pay me what I'm worth on the market or I'll leave.


Posted

Disappointed to hear The Ox say that Hogan probably wont be as good as Jonathan Brown or Nick Riewoldt.

He's about the only person I've ever heard say that Hoges cant get to those heights. Most people would say hes a certainty to get to that level or better barring major injury.

  • Like 1
Posted
26 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Because if Hogan said this his negotiating power is reduced to zero.  By saying 'I'm gonna sign on no matter what' he goes from potentially 1 million a year to a small fraction of that.  

To negotiate a suitable long term contract, threre has to be an element of danger there- in this case, pay me what I'm worth on the market or I'll leave.

That's beyond absurd. You really think that any sporting club would willingly screw a star player who shows good faith? Hogan will always have the negotiating power, even if he verbally commits.

And anyone who believes the Roos line of " the club also thought it best to postpone talks until end of season " are either gullible or stupid. The club would be doing cartwheels if Hogan re-signed this week or even mid year.

  • Like 6

Posted
10 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Disappointed to hear The Ox say that Hogan probably wont be as good as Jonathan Brown or Nick Riewoldt..

Hes about the only person Ive ever heard say that Hoges cant get to those heights. Most people would say hes a certainty to get to that level or better barring major injury.

Yeah, it's a bizarre claim from Schwarz. Hogan is frankly stellar and while i share the notion that 1.5m a year starts to look unbalancing on the list, if there's any player worth it it is Hogan.

But Hogan is also taking a risk... what if by halfway through this season Weidemann has cleared his injury legacy, developed the fitness and is out and about providing a credible alternative? Would knock 250k off Hogan's maximum value. :)

Of course, I think really Hogan would just be delighted to have a strong partner up forward and the two of them could settle into becoming the game's best combo.

Remember the quotes pre-draft; "When Weideman went under the knife he was rated a top-three prospect on the rise — and little has changed."

  • Like 3
Posted
45 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Disappointed to hear The Ox say that Hogan probably wont be as good as Jonathan Brown or Nick Riewoldt.

He's about the only person I've ever heard say that Hoges cant get to those heights. Most people would say hes a certainty to get to that level or better barring major injury.

Well JB and NR are bona fide one club champions. Maybe there is something cryptic in the Ox's comment?

Posted
1 hour ago, ProDee said:

He's not responsible for "the knots in your underpants".  You are. 

As a sign of good faith Hogan extended 18 months ago, but seemingly that's not good enough for you.

FFS, the guy has 2 seasons left on his contract and he's saying I'll negotiate at the end of this year.  Bloody reasonable if you ask me.

No, it's not good enough for me for him to negotiate at the end of the year - start talks now.

Anyhoo, I'm done.

Here's to a successful 2016.

 

Posted
31 minutes ago, mo64 said:

That's beyond absurd. You really think that any sporting club would willingly screw a star player who shows good faith? Hogan will always have the negotiating power, even if he verbally commits.

And anyone who believes the Roos line of " the club also thought it best to postpone talks until end of season " are either gullible or stupid. The club would be doing cartwheels if Hogan re-signed this week or even mid year.

Players don't undertake the negotiation, managers do; if it was simply a matter of clubs giving out fantastic contracts, then threre'd be no need for managers or negotiation.

And yes, if a club can sign a player for under market value, then it's a huge win for the club. A manager has to maximise their clients earning potential.  That doesn't mean threatening to leave, it simply means leaving it un-said.

Posted
56 minutes ago, mo64 said:

That's beyond absurd. You really think that any sporting club would willingly screw a star player who shows good faith? Hogan will always have the negotiating power, even if he verbally commits.

And anyone who believes the Roos line of " the club also thought it best to postpone talks until end of season " are either gullible or stupid. The club would be doing cartwheels if Hogan re-signed this week or even mid year.

I reckon the club would have been relieved when Hogans manager postponed talks to avoid the season long conjecture.

It's the next best thing to re-signing.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Wednesday 22nd January 2025

    Demonland Trackwatchers were out in force for training at Gosch's Paddock on Wednesday morning for the MFC's School Holidays Open Training Session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS REHAB: TMac, Chandler, McVee, Tholstrup, Brown, Spargo Brown might have passed his fitness test as he’s back out with the main group.  Sparrow not present. Kozzy not present either.  Mini Rehab group has broken off from the match sim (contact) group: Max, Trac, Lever, Fullarton

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 20th January 2025

    Demonland Trackwatcher Gator attended training out at Casey Fields to bring you the following observations from Preseason Training. GATOR'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS There were 5 in the main rehab group, namely Gawn, Petracca, Fullarton, Woewodin and Lever.  Laurie was running laps by himself, as was Jefferson.  Chandler, as has been reported, had his arm in a sling.  Lindsay did a bit of lap running later on. Some of the ''rehab 5'' participated in non contact drills and b

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Wednesday 15th January 2025

    There were a number of Demonland Trackwatchers at Gosch's Paddock this morning to bring you their observations from Preseason Training. KEV MARTIN'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS They were going hard at each other. The sims were in two 15 minute blocks. The second block finished a few minutes early, they gathered and had another 7 minutes at it. I think they were asked to compete, as they would play against an opposition. There was plenty of niggle, between some of them. At the end o

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 13th January 2025

    Better late than never … and quite frankly, there’s very little to report other than that training took place at Casey Fields this morning, that Tracc was there nursing his rib injury and that some photographs are on the club’s social media including this one of Clarrie in Raging Bull stance that gives rise for confidence. The other news is that the club has a new train on player in 185cm Dandenong Stingrays midfielder Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves (love the hyphenated name which is just so fitti

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Thursday 9th January 2025

    Welcome back to Demonland for those like me who have been on vacation. I’m posting this with some trepidation because of a certain amount of uncertainty surrounding the return of preseason training in 2025 after a flurry of weddings including those of our coach, one of our superstar players and a former premiership champion player and bloke, not to mention the recent mysterious incident that occurred on the Mornington Peninsula.  I believe that the team reassembles this morning at Casey Fie

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Wednesday 18th December 2024

    It was the final session of 2024 before the Christmas/New Years break and the Demonland Trackwatchers were out in force to bring you the following preseason training observations from Wednesday's session at Gosch's Paddock. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS TRAINING: Petracca, Oliver, Melksham, Woewodin, Langdon, Rivers, Billings, Sestan, Viney, Fullarton, Adams, Langford, Lever, Petty, Spargo, Fritsch, Bowey, Laurie, Kozzy, Mentha, George, May, Gawn, Turner Tholstrup, Kentfi

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 16th December 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers braved the sweltering heat to bring you their Preseason Training observations from Gosch's Paddock on Monday morning. SCOOP JUNIOR'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I went down today in what were pretty ordinary conditions - hot and windy. When I got there, they were doing repeat simulations of a stoppage on the wing and then moving the ball inside 50. There seemed to be an emphasis on handballing out of the stoppage, usually there were 3 or 4 handballs to

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 1

    TRAINING: Friday 13th December 2024

    With only a few sessions left before the Christmas break a number of Demonlander Trackwatchers headed down to Gosch's Paddock to bring you their observations from this morning's preseason training session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS PLAYERS IN ATTENDANCE: JVR, Salem, McVee, Petracca, Windsor, Viney, Lever, Spargo, Turner, Gawn, Tholstrup, Oliver, Billings, Langdon, Laurie, Bowey, Melksham, Langford, Lindsay, Jefferson, Howes, McAdam, Rivers, TMac, Adams, Hore, Verrall,

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Wednesday 11th December 2024

    A few new faces joined our veteran Demonland Trackwatchers on a beautiful morning out at Gosch's Paddock for another Preseason Training Session. BLWNBA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I arrived at around 1015 and the squad was already out on the track. The rehab group consisted of XL, McAdam, Melksham, Spargo and Sestan. Lever was also on restricted duties and appeared to be in runners.  The main group was doing end-to-end transition work in a simulated match situation. Ball mov

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...