Jump to content


Recommended Posts

Posted

I really wonder if it does matter when they get nominated. I would have thought that in the final judging, they will look back on each nominees whole season and draw a conclusion from the consistency of their performances.

Quite right hardtack. Date of nomination has no significance.

The process is: At the end of the season, nine AFL personalities (typically administrators and All-Australian team selectors) vote for five of the twenty-two nominees, with their top selections earning five votes, their second selection earning four votes, etc. The player who receives the most votes is the winner.

If Hogan gets nominated his consistency will put him right up there to win it.

If he doesn't win, it may bug some people on DL but I doubt it will phase him.

I reckon being in the AFL Team of The Week and votes from both coaches in the AFLCA will put a smile on his dial!

  • Like 1

Posted (edited)

Gary Ablett Jnr, Dane Swan, Jonathan Brown = never nominated for the Rising Star

Jordon Gysberts x 2, Cale Morton, Sam Blease =nominated for the Rising Star

Yes, that's all well and good, but a certain N. Jones also picked up 2 nominations for the Rising Star.

Edited by Dr. Mubutu

Posted

Yes, that's all well and good, but a certain N. Jones also picked up 2 nominations for the Rising Star.

Further re-iterating his point, which was that getting it or not getting it has little bearing on one's career

  • Like 1
Posted

Further re-iterating his point, which was that getting it or not getting it has little bearing on one's career

I'm just saying, just because a player gets a RS nomination, doesn't mean they will turn out to be a spud (which is how the post read).

For the record, I place absolutely no currency (other than whatever financial reward the actual winner gets) on the whole Rising Star hoo-ha. The actual WINNER usually goes on to have a good career, but as we all know, one nomination does not a career make.

Posted

Quite right hardtack. Date of nomination has no significance.

The process is: At the end of the season, nine AFL personalities (typically administrators and All-Australian team selectors) vote for five of the twenty-two nominees, with their top selections earning five votes, their second selection earning four votes, etc. The player who receives the most votes is the winner.

If Hogan gets nominated his consistency will put him right up there to win it.

If he doesn't win, it may bug some people on DL but I doubt it will phase him.

I reckon being in the AFL Team of The Week and votes from both coaches in the AFLCA will put a smile on his dial!

I really wonder if it does matter when they get nominated. I would have thought that in the final judging, they will look back on each nominees whole season and draw a conclusion from the consistency of their performances.

Its not supposed to but how do you explain 3 winners past round 8 in the history of the award?

And the consistency argument is an aberation from when the award was first established. It should have nothing to do with consistency. Its about a future star, not who has had the best first year.

Posted

Its not supposed to but how do you explain 3 winners past round 8 in the history of the award?

And the consistency argument is an aberation from when the award was first established. It should have nothing to do with consistency. Its about a future star, not who has had the best first year.

surely a consistent performer is more promising than an inconsistent one

  • Like 1
Posted

According to the bookies Hogan is 2nd favourite at $3.25 behind McCarthy at $3.00. 3rd Patrick Cribbs $5.50 and then Matt Crouch $13.

Its my belief Hogan's consistency (if continued) will get him over the line. Best they hurry up and nominate him.

Spot on GNF, was going to post the same thing. I'm spewing i didn't take the $8 at the start of the season. He'll win and $3.25 is still overs. Its only that rprice becasue he is yet to be nominated but barring injury (heaven forbid) there's no way they won't nominate him, no way.

Get on this week peeps.

Posted

He is giving good backman headaches. There are some teams we are yet to play with some holes in their backline that will struggle to contain hulk. He should take out the rising star award if he continues his current form. Contested marking machine.


Posted

surely a consistent performer is more promising than an inconsistent one

So as a hypothetical Hogan plays say 5 great games at the end of the year and JKH plays 20 games averaging 14 possessions, you'd pick JKH?

I get why the panel are seduced by the best first year player theme but its not what the award was established for. And from what you are saying if a player play1 game, a blinder in roudn 23, and is nominated he can't win the award. That is a joke. A player that is nominated in any round should be able to win. And a player who is not nominated (say Gary Ablett Jnr, Dane Swan etc) should also be able to win.

The award needs a total revamp.

Posted

McCarthy has been excellent and was excellent again on the weekend against the crows who are a good team.

Quite amusing listening to the conspiracy theories on here.

When does McCarthy cop the opposition's best key defender ? Answer, never. Not once. The opposition put the most work into Cameron. Hogan isn't a foil for anyone. He's the man.

I like McCarthy and don't begrudge him the nod, but Hogan beats McCarthy in just about every relevant stat except goals per game. Hogan has more disposals, more marks, more contested marks, and the same average marks inside 50. All while copping the best defender and playing for the team with the least inside 50's in the league.
Even on the weekend it was 21 disposals to 12, 9 marks to 6 and 3 goals to 4.
Not to mention he splits packs and creates goals for teammates. One is a power forward, the other isn't.
It's no major issue, but there's a flaw in the award when the best 20 year old and under in the competition hasn't been recognised.
  • Like 6

Posted

So as a hypothetical Hogan plays say 5 great games at the end of the year and JKH plays 20 games averaging 14 possessions, you'd pick JKH?

I get why the panel are seduced by the best first year player theme but its not what the award was established for. And from what you are saying if a player play1 game, a blinder in roudn 23, and is nominated he can't win the award. That is a joke. A player that is nominated in any round should be able to win. And a player who is not nominated (say Gary Ablett Jnr, Dane Swan etc) should also be able to win.

The award needs a total revamp.

Yes, you may well be right... but we are not talking about what it should be. My comments were based on what it is now...it should be who has had the best season out of all those nominated regardless of which round they were nominated in.

Posted

Yes, you may well be right... but we are not talking about what it should be. My comments were based on what it is now...it should be who has had the best season out of all those nominated regardless of which round they were nominated in.

Yes but that's not what it was when it was established. Its what it has morphed in to. And in effect there are only 8 players that can win it. Those nominated in the first 8 rounds.

Posted

Spot on GNF, was going to post the same thing. I'm spewing i didn't take the $8 at the start of the season. He'll win and $3.25 is still overs. Its only that rprice becasue he is yet to be nominated but barring injury (heaven forbid) there's no way they won't nominate him, no way.

Get on this week peeps.

I would still take Brayshaw from here.

It is only early days yet.

Posted

I was tossing up between hogan and petracca at start of year(before petracca did his knee) I ended up placing $50 on hogan at $12 still early days but looking good, will jump on petracca for next years award

  • Like 2
Posted

Duggan - 23 possessions (8 contested, 56% DE), 4 tackles, 8 inside 50s, one behind, 2 goal assists

McCarthy - 12 disposals (5 contested, 75% DE), 6 marks (1 contested), 1 tackle, 2 inside 50s, 4 goals 1, 1 goal assist (on Cheney)

Hogan - 21 disposals (9 contested, 57% DE), 9 marks (2 contested), 1 tackle, 1 inside 50, 3 goals, 2 goal assists (on Roughead)

It has to be Hogan this week. McCarthy is unlucky he hasn't had one yet though, but it's only a matter of time

Boyd - 1 handball

  • Like 2

Posted

Boyd - 1 handball

Yes and for this performance Fitzy didn't even get in team of the week. At least Hogan's efforts were recognised to this extent!

Posted

The system is flawed.

The nominations don't allow for a good player to be awarded if he is not nominated.

History shows that if you are not nominated before round 8 you have buckley's of winning (only 3 have won outside that). Getting nominated in rd 22 is almost impossible to win.

It USED (original concept) to be an award that awarded a player who was going to be a bona fide star. Now it is simply a 'best first year player' award with number of games and consistency etc being the major factors.

Its a crap award and I am happy if no melbourne player get nominated. Our history of it isn't great (Gysberts nominated twice, Morton etc etc) It simply means their contract value goes up, they think they have made it as a football player potentially and other clubs start sniffing around to get them. No benefit whatsoever to the club.

Its never been who's going to be a start award. Its always been who had the best year. The voters don't take into account what the player may become its all about that one year.

Posted

Its never been who's going to be a start award. Its always been who had the best year. The voters don't take into account what the player may become its all about that one year.

I disagree. It was never a best first year player award but a future star award.

  • Like 1

Posted

Is Gus a chance this week?

21 touches, 8 tackles..

Posted

Is Gus a chance this week?

21 touches, 8 tackles..

doesnt often go to a participant in a losing team though...just saying

  • Like 1

Posted

very very very confident that Rising Star will be a Demon today. Very.

  • Like 2

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    UP IN LIGHTS by Whispering Jack

    Those who watched the 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships closely this year would not be particularly surprised that Melbourne selected Victoria Country pair Harvey Langford and Xavier Lindsay on the first night of the AFL National Draft. The two left-footed midfielders are as different as chalk and cheese but they had similar impacts in their Coates Talent League teams and in the National Championships in 2024. Their interstate side was edged out at the very end of the tournament for tea

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    TRAINING: Wednesday 20th November 2024

    It’s a beautiful cool morning down at Gosch’s Paddock and I’ve arrived early to bring you my observations from today’s session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Reigning Keith Bluey Truscott champion Jack Viney is the first one out on the track.  Jack’s wearing the red version of the new training guernsey which is the only version available for sale at the Demon Shop. TRAINING: Viney, Clarry, Lever, TMac, Rivers, Petty, McVee, Bowey, JVR, Hore, Tom Campbell (in tr

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 18th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers ventured down to Gosch's Paddock for the final week of training for the 1st to 4th Years until they are joined by the rest of the senior squad for Preseason Training Camp in Mansfield next week. WAYNE RUSSELL'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS No Ollie, Chin, Riv today, but Rick & Spargs turned up and McDonald was there in casual attire. Seston, and Howes did a lot of boundary running, and Tom Campbell continued his work with individual trainer in non-MFC

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #11 Max Gawn

    Champion ruckman and brilliant leader, Max Gawn earned his seventh All-Australian team blazer and constantly held the team up on his shoulders in what was truly a difficult season for the Demons. Date of Birth: 30 December 1991 Height: 209cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 224 Goals MFC 2024: 11 Career Total: 109 Brownlow Medal Votes: 13 Melbourne Football Club: 2nd Best & Fairest: 405 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    2024 Player Reviews: #36 Kysaiah Pickett

    The Demons’ aggressive small forward who kicks goals and defends the Demons’ ball in the forward arc. When he’s on song, he’s unstoppable but he did blot his copybook with a three week suspension in the final round. Date of Birth: 2 June 2001 Height: 171cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 106 Goals MFC 2024: 36 Career Total: 161 Brownlow Medal Votes: 3 Melbourne Football Club: 4th Best & Fairest: 369 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Friday 15th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers took advantage of the beautiful sunshine to head down to Gosch's Paddock and witness the return of Clayton Oliver to club for his first session in the lead up to the 2025 season. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Clarry in the house!! Training: JVR, McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Woey, Brown, Petty, Adams, Chandler, Turner, Bowey, Seston, Kentfield, Laurie, Sparrow, Viney, Rivers, Jefferson, Hore, Howes, Verrall, AMW, Clarry Tom Campbell is here

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #15 Ed Langdon

    The Demon running machine came back with a vengeance after a leaner than usual year in 2023.  Date of Birth: 1 February 1996 Height: 182cm Games MFC 2024: 22 Career Total: 179 Goals MFC 2024: 9 Career Total: 76 Brownlow Medal Votes: 5 Melbourne Football Club: 5th Best & Fairest: 352 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 8
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...