THE DRUG SCANDAL: AFL TRIBUNAL DECIDES

[beelzebub 23,390]

Coates simply saying ASADA is currently hamstrung with half hearted backing. I also see this as a prologue to WADA making an announcement.

[Macca 17,120]

Coates simply saying ASADA is currently hamstrung with half hearted backing. I also see this as a prologue to WADA making an announcement.

First thing tomorrow morning then? (for the decision)

At the very least, WADA/ASADA has made Essendon sweat a little ... and they will be sweating on the decision. If I was a player, I'd be still quite apprehensive right now.

[Chris 2,892]

Mr Coates is also head honcho at the CAS. Is this his way of telling the world that the Dopers have finally gotten away with it??

That was my thoughts!

[Lucifers Hero 40,564]

Hird says Ess not up to AFL standard: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-not-up-to-afl-standard-coach-james-hird-20150510-ggy6p1.html

Maybe the 'good stuff' has worn off!

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Hird says Ess not up to AFL standard: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-not-up-to-afl-standard-coach-james-hird-20150510-ggy6p1.html

Maybe the 'good stuff' has worn off!

[robbiefrom13 894]

...going...

[binman 44,703]

So it would seem the big bad WADA wolf are not going to appeal after all.

Or perhaps they enjoy the theatre and are going for suspense and will announce it at the death knell. Lets hope so.

If they don't i'll be fascinated to see how BB and in particular Dees2014 spin the decision in fact to be an element of a grand Machiavellian plan that will culminate in the EFC players being found guilty and the club humiliated.

But on a serious note if WADA choose not to appeal surely this would be a sign that ASADA simply did not have sufficiently compelling evidence to get a guilty finding, which calls into question their decision to run the case at all. And no i'm not an EFC/Hird apologist.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

So it would seem the big bad WADA wolf are not going to appeal after all.

Or perhaps they enjoy the theatre and are going for suspense and will announce it at the death knell. Lets hope so.

If they don't i'll be fascinated to see how BB and in particular Dees2014 spin the decision in fact to be an element of a grand Machiavellian plan that will culminate in the EFC players being found guilty and the club humiliated.

But on a serious note if WADA choose not to appeal surely this would be a sign that ASADA simply did not have sufficiently compelling evidence to get a guilty finding, which calls into question their decision to run the case at all. And no i'm not an EFC/Hird apologist.

From my admittedly layperson's reading of the issue, the problem wasn't insufficient evidence but the way in which the AFL tribunal decided to apply the "comfortable satisfaction" level required to find them guilty.

The evidence from my standpoint is pretty damning.

[Macca 17,120]

So it would seem the big bad WADA wolf are not going to appeal after all.

Or perhaps they enjoy the theatre and are going for suspense and will announce it at the death knell. Lets hope so.

If they don't i'll be fascinated to see how BB and in particular Dees2014 spin the decision in fact to be an element of a grand Machiavellian plan that will culminate in the EFC players being found guilty and the club humiliated.

But on a serious note if WADA choose not to appeal surely this would be a sign that ASADA simply did not have sufficiently compelling evidence to get a guilty finding, which calls into question their decision to run the case at all. And no i'm not an EFC/Hird apologist.

In your opinion

In my opinion if WADA doesn"t appeal it WILL mean that the EFC & the AFL conspired against ASADA & WADA in bringing about a not guilty verdict

[faultydet 7,623]

It looks that way doesn't it?

We will see Sanitary Pad back on here in a heartbeat, flashing that smug grin that the cheaters have possessed throughout the whole campaign.

Seems the sycophant journo's, payoffs, bullying and standover tactics may have worked after all.

Who says that cheats never prosper?

[John Crow Batty 8,886]

In your opinion

In my opinion if WADA doesn"t appeal it WILL mean that the EFC & the AFL conspired against ASADA & WADA in bringing about a not guilty verdict

In the opinion of many I think, including me.

[Ted Lasso 19,567]

So it would seem the big bad WADA wolf are not going to appeal after all.

Or perhaps they enjoy the theatre and are going for suspense and will announce it at the death knell. Lets hope so.

If they don't i'll be fascinated to see how BB and in particular Dees2014 spin the decision in fact to be an element of a grand Machiavellian plan that will culminate in the EFC players being found guilty and the club humiliated.

But on a serious note if WADA choose not to appeal surely this would be a sign that ASADA simply did not have sufficiently compelling evidence to get a guilty finding, which calls into question their decision to run the case at all. And no i'm not an EFC/Hird apologist.

I think it's always been a case of as someone else said ASADA and WADA have 123 4567 9 of the story, they know what the missing numbers are but can't prove it, i reckon we all know fundementally what went on there was wrong

[binman 44,703]

In your opinion

In my opinion if WADA doesn"t appeal it WILL mean that the EFC & the AFL conspired against ASADA & WADA in bringing about a not guilty verdict

That makes no sense. A conspiracy? ASADA thought they had sufficient evidence to get a guilty finding. It would appear they didn't.

But of course some believe the fact they didn't win was evidence of an AFL conspiracy or at the very least evidence of a contrived result (eg by stacking the tribunal with compliant lackeys).

I thought BBs and Dees2104 whole point was that WADA werre immune to such influence and the mighty CAS, which can hear the whole case again, is an incorruptible paragon of independence. Surely if ASADA did indeed have sufficient evidence (as they believed they did) the CAS would find in their favor.

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

24 hours.....

[beelzebub 23,390]

So it would seem the big bad WADA wolf are not going to appeal after all.

Or perhaps they enjoy the theatre and are going for suspense and will announce it at the death knell. Lets hope so.

If they don't i'll be fascinated to see how BB and in particular Dees2014 spin the decision in fact to be an element of a grand Machiavellian plan that will culminate in the EFC players being found guilty and the club humiliated.

But on a serious note if WADA choose not to appeal surely this would be a sign that ASADA simply did not have sufficiently compelling evidence to get a guilty finding, which calls into question their decision to run the case at all. And no i'm not an EFC/Hird apologist.

There are two elements to this. Firstly its not ever been so much about the evidence per se but how those that were charged to make a judgement on it came to do so.. Its but universally acknowledged by many observers ( both lay and professional ) that a duality occurred in respect to how the 3 wise ones approached aspects of their 'comfort'..What was seemingly fine to use as a yardstick for some deliberations suddenly was ousted and replaced by a higher order of proof required in other areas. The evidence wasnt so much the governing factor as to its weighing and application.. Also as is also seen now ASADA were deliberately hamstrung by elements of 'power' that just dont want it to be a serious player in Drugs governance. ASADA cant compel witnesses , WADA can. So here we have circumstances that would be enacted upon different . The idea ASADAS case was weak and so therefore would WADAS is a furphy.

As to the other, if WADA dont appeal, one Id be disappointed but id be more concerned that it would be disasterous fro sport overall. There would be major fallouts amongst various interested bodies and I cant see it being a good result. But if it doesnt...it doesnt.. Theres no spin.

[binman 44,703]

The idea ASADAS case was weak and so therefore would WADAS is a furphy.

As to the other, if WADA dont appeal, one Id be disappointed but id be more concerned that it would be disasterous fro sport overall. There would be major fallouts amongst various interested bodies and I cant see it being a good result. But if it doesnt...it doesnt.. Theres no spin.

I am in strong agreement with the bolded bit. As to the other part i'd ask you to consider, if ASDAs case was indeed a strong one, why would WADA not proceed with an appeal?

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,072]

There are two elements to this. Firstly its not ever been so much about the evidence per se but how those that were charged to make a judgement on it came to do so.. Its but universally acknowledged by many observers ( both lay and professional ) that a duality occurred in respect to how the 3 wise ones approached aspects of their 'comfort'..What was seemingly fine to use as a yardstick for some deliberations suddenly was ousted and replaced by a higher order of proof required in other areas. The evidence wasnt so much the governing factor as to its weighing and application.. Also as is also seen now ASADA were deliberately hamstrung by elements of 'power' that just dont want it to be a serious player in Drugs governance. ASADA cant compel witnesses , WADA can. So here we have circumstances that would be enacted upon different . The idea ASADAS case was weak and so therefore would WADAS is a furphy.

As to the other, if WADA dont appeal, one Id be disappointed but id be more concerned that it would be disasterous fro sport overall. There would be major fallouts amongst various interested bodies and I cant see it being a good result. But if it doesnt...it doesnt.. Theres no spin.

BB, what do you mean when you say WADA can "compel witnesses"? Are you saying WADA has powers under Australian law to make witnesses attend for interviews? or to appear at a WADA-convened hearing or CAS hearing? And can they compel witnesses to speak (and speak honestly)?

[Macca 17,120]

That makes no sense. A conspiracy? ASADA thought they had sufficient evidence to get a guilty finding. It would appear they didn't.

But of course some believe the fact they didn't win was evidence of an AFL conspiracy or at the very least evidence of a contrived result (eg by stacking the tribunal with compliant lackeys).

I thought BBs and Dees2104 whole point was that WADA werre immune to such influence and the mighty CAS, which can hear the whole case again, is an incorruptible paragon of independence. Surely if ASADA did indeed have sufficient evidence (as they believed they did) the CAS would find in their favor.

Conspiracies do happen ... they're not all the grassy knoll variety.

As you're well aware, there's a number of dodgy dealings in the horse racing industry ... more than a few :-)

[beelzebub 23,390]

I am in strong agreement with the bolded bit. As to the other part i'd ask you to consider, if ASDAs case was indeed a strong one, why would WADA not proceed with an appeal?

ASADAs case whilst a 'correct' one was probably always hindered by elements beyond its control. Lets just say not everyone that ought to have been on the same side, were. I still think WADA WILL appeal. It has 24 hours or so to do so. Matters not whether it does this second or during its normal business hours Monday ( Canadian time ) Its just a process for it. It will probably proceed, if eventuates, after the meeting this weekend. That would seem logical. I have no idea why it 'wouldn't' Bin !! I would have thought it very likely it does., but if it doesnt...it.....doesnt. We'll know soon enough

[deefrag 277]

24 hours.....

No appeal but a withering press release that we can use when necessary to cane the Doper apologista!!

[beelzebub 23,390]

BB, what do you mean when you say WADA can "compel witnesses"? Are you saying WADA has powers under Australian law to make witnesses attend for interviews? or to appear at a WADA-convened hearing or CAS hearing? And can they compel witnesses to speak (and speak honestly)?

LDVC. Its my understanding that on application that CAS can subpoena who and what it likes ( with reason ) through the guise of the Supreme Court. Asada sought this power but the Government didnt pass such provisions. ( nobbled in the Senate )

Nothing save the repercussions of proven perjury can ever compel anyone in a box to say anything !! But previous testimony etc can be represented to them for validation etc. Heres where clever legal folk can trap the unsuspecting ones....or those that are too clever by half. But turn up they must, lest they suffer the consequences.

[beelzebub 23,390]

keep in mind its currently Sunday Night 10.56 pm in Montreal...nothing gunna happen right this min

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,072]

LDVC. Its my understanding that on application that CAS can subpoena who and what it likes ( with reason ) through the guise of the Supreme Court. Asada sought this power but the Government didnt pass such provisions. ( nobbled in the Senate )

Nothing save the repercussions of proven perjury can ever compel anyone in a box to say anything !! But previous testimony etc can be represented to them for validation etc. Heres where clever legal folk can trap the unsuspecting ones....or those that are too clever by half. But turn up they must, lest they suffer the consequences.

Thanks BB. I assume "suffer the consequences" would mean potential contempt of court charges leading to the possibility of gaol.

[beelzebub 23,390]

Thanks BB. I assume "suffer the consequences" would mean potential contempt of court charges leading to the possibility of gaol.

yep

[binman 44,703]

keep in mind its currently Sunday Night 10.56 pm in Montreal...nothing gunna happen right this min

Fair call. So lets hope for 11 am presser in Montreal tomorrow, which means 1am our time.

It would be a nice touch if the presser was in French. James would get some value then from his paid vacation.