My hope is Spencer.

He just tries so hard I want him to succeed.

Where there is life there is hope but its dwindling!

I think Nev might need to sustain his improvement for another year or two before we start using him as the model for other players to aspire to. One season does not make a career.

Nev turned it around amazingly this year. His blanketing of opposition smalls was first class. While I agree with your sentiment (as highlighted) I think you are being a bit harsh there!

I think what Viney needs to do is learn to get an easy ball.

He is always in the thick of the action but also needs to find space more and get lots more uncontested stuff.

Bernie Vince is the perfect balance of both hardball gets and uncontested linking in space.

This is unbelievable..I'm not having a go but we are wishing he eases up on the contested stuff....

Not me...

I agree on both counts. I reckon viney fly's under the radar on DL in terms of avoiding criticism - perhaps because everyone loves his spirit and hard at it grunt (as do I). But he didn't have a great year (which is OK, he's only young). Really needs to improve his kicking.

People seem to love comparing the toumps progress with wines. Few seem to measure viney against wines. At this stage he is a fair way behind

He didn't fly under my radar.

I thought he had a poor year and didn't do much to validate the hype that sorrounded his arrival in 2012-2013.

Expecting or at least hoping he has a better 2015.

Hoping Max Gawn and/or Toumpas have a break out year.

Both have all the attributes and with the right attitude and mentoring, can have a year like Jetts.

Could we be planning on delisting Taspcott and then picking him up as a Rookie?

Similar in that they both had the bodies to play AFL but never managed to survive a preseason or be fit enough to play at a consistent level.

This is unbelievable..I'm not having a go but we are wishing he eases up on the contested stuff....

Not me...

He wasn't saying its one or the other, the best players can find the ball in close but also link with other midfielders and distribute on the outside. Viney is a bit one-dimensional in that regard. It's not about completely transforming his style of play, it's about adding more strings to his bow.

Two players that I think will improve dramatically in 2015, Jimmy Toumpas and Jack Viney. Viney to me was very underwhelming in 2014 tried hard but just thought he had a very average year. The Toump, if anyone watch early preseason last year he was flying he just needs a massive dose of confidence. He has the ability and the tools, just needs the belief.

Viney struggled because he is the 4th or 5th best mid as a 20 year old.

He is asked to do too much at the minute due to our compromised midfield.

Could we be planning on delisting Taspcott and then picking him up as a Rookie?

Similar in that they both had the bodies to play AFL but never managed to survive a preseason or be fit enough to play at a consistent level.

That we haven't delisted him by now possibly might indicate we are still interested in him some what. Maybe we are going to wait until the break is over and see what condition he comes back in. Then again he could just as easily be delisted tomorrow so time will tell.

James Harmes

I think and hope it's Rohan Bail, always liked him as a player and respect how hard he works.

Please let it be Toumpas. How I'd love to see his critics have a nice slice of humble pie shoved down their throats.

I think and hope it's Rohan Bail, always liked him as a player and respect how hard he works.

Which is why it wont be him. He's always been a hard worker. He's had lots of games to get up to speed at the level and I doubt he's in for a position change. I really like Bail. Despite a number of shockers he also played some really solid games this year and in a better team he's positives would stand out more and his negatives be covered. But I don't see him taking a leap.

Toumpas

Nathan Jones.

I had no problems when we delisted Jetta at the end of last year. I thought he was a little off the pace, both physically and mentally; that he was weak in the air and was the kind of player who didn't have exceptional weapons in his arsenal and couldn't nail down a spot in a very weak line-up. I was wrong and I am very glad that I was.

Who, on the current list of players, do I believe matches this profile yet still gives me a glimmer of hope for a complete turn-around?

Tapscott. If he survives the cull, is able to complete preseason and is given a role in the team, he may prove me (and most others) wrong about him.

I had no problems when we delisted Jetta at the end of last year. I thought he was a little off the pace, both physically and mentally; that he was weak in the air and was the kind of player who didn't have exceptional weapons in his arsenal and couldn't nail down a spot in a very weak line-up. I was wrong and I am very glad that I was.

Who, on the current list of players, do I believe matches this profile yet still gives me a glimmer of hope for a complete turn-around?

Tapscott. If he survives the cull, is able to complete preseason and is given a role in the team, he may prove me (and most others) wrong about him.

I dont think you were wrong at all re Nev. He WAS all of that. A rocket up him and he awoke. Good on him and good for us.

Tappy should be a gun. Wont hold breath though

For the benefit of our side going forward we really need it to be Fitzy or Gawn

Unfortunately, we need it to be a number of blokes, mate. I'd say they're just about top of the tree, but gee it'd be handy to have two or three of the mids show the improvement that Jetta has shown.

Please let it be Toumpas. How I'd love to see his critics have a nice slice of humble pie shoved down their throats.

The way the club seems to be backing him, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes out next year and really starts to impact games. It'll be about whether he can accumulate enough of the ball. His disposal shouldn't be in question.

tappy will rise!

tappy will rise!

Tappy will be delisted.

Need it to be Watts. He needs to learn to keep his feet and make more convincing defensive efforts, also not being outbodied by the likes of Bennel in marking contests would help.

It's a shame, with his skill set, if he could somehow develop a bit of mongrel he would be elite!

Dean Kent for me. Showed something this year and could go from being a fringe guy to being very important for us.

Vic Michie for me. I think that he could be a very solid midfielder in play and in stature.

Dean Kent for me. Showed something this year and could go from being a fringe guy to being very important for us.

Kent already is important. He had a delayed start to preseason, injury and suspension that cost him momentum at the start of the year but he's clearly best 22 on talent and for where the side is at for results as well. Garlett's being brought in more as a crumber/goal sneak forward. JKH is in the side for his forward pressure and ability to find the ball as well. But Kent remains a vital part of the forward and (hopefully increasing) midfield mix as he can do a lot of really good things. He's an explosive player and I hope he gets trialled up the ground more next year. He wouldn't really be 'the next Jetta' though because his career has tracked well so far. He can be most improved and it would be an extremely welcomed surprise to have a player develop properly and efficiently, so I hope he is.

Jetta: “If I can get my fitness up another ten per cent, then I’ll be really happy going into 2015 because I’ll know that I can run the smaller forwards off their feet.”

Love that comment. I reckon he will get that 10%!! Imagine our team if all our players were 10% fitter. Happy days!

Serious questions. Can a player that's been on the list as long as Jetta actually improve his fitness by 10%? And why isn't he at that level already? Is it because as bodies mature there are still higher levels of fitness to get to? Or have we been so overwhelmingly pathetic on the training track that Jetta, like many others, was way off the pace?

Serious questions. Can a player that's been on the list as long as Jetta actually improve his fitness by 10%? And why isn't he at that level already? Is it because as bodies mature there are still higher levels of fitness to get to? Or have we been so overwhelmingly pathetic on the training track that Jetta, like many others, was way off the pace?

He has both shoulders permanently strapped.

might be a different aspect of fitness.