I hate the idea of trading Trengove. Even more, I hate the idea that we might actually take the pick we would bank for him to the draft.

I can't see a Dangerfield trade happening. Losing Frawley and Trengove for a new pair of speculative kids doesn't excite me at all. Our list feels far worse right at the minute than it did 12 months ago.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but trade period finishes on the 17th (Friday)

Bloody hell better stock up more on the bundy!

And again I feel I need to point out that this is not something instigated by us. Richmond came to us with this offer. As such, any speculation that this is part of an ambitious plan to grab an extra first round pick and trade for [insert name here] is completely groundless.

They are playing cloaks and daggers to get us prepared for the real thing.

The danger is that he wants to come here but doesn't like Trenners; but Adelaide do.

So basicly he has said if Trenners goes then I will come.

Trenners plus pick 3 should do the trick.

At least we aren't on to fish puns yet.

Dayne Breams?

Watts going to happen next? :D

Yep would do this deal in a heartbeat! We get two great picks for a slow player! Do it Dees!!

I hear ya, I'm not entirely comfortable with it but you have to be pragmatic sometimes. I was ready to give the club away after Farmer left but at the end of the day you get over these things with time.

I totally understand we need to make the club better to win more games and the is Trenners going to be good enough line but we pillar Frawley and Clarke for not buying in and Trenners sure has. We can't expect it on one hand and then trade it out on the other.

The outcome good or bad wont be know for some time and history will be the judge.

I don't barrack for a business. I don't go to the football to follow a corporate entity. I don't sit in the rain on a freezing Sunday evening watching my investments go around. I follow the young men who wear the Red and the Blue. Simplistically I expect their loyalty and in return they will have mine. When they prove beyond doubt their love for the colours that I I adore, I expect my club to treat them with the respect and loyalty that they deserve. In many ways Trengove has put the clubs interests before his own, and has suffered the consequences. Players of this calibre are very rare indeed and their worth cannot be underestimated. Jimmy Mac was one such player and I believe Jack Trengove is another. Lets not make the same mistake twice. The biggest myth of all is that Football is a business. Football is not a business. Football is a passion and passion is not a tradable commodity that can be bought and sold. Jack Trengove has an undeniable passion for the Melbourne Football Club and Jack Trengove deserves our loyalty.

It's nice words, but they don't actually mean anything. Are you saying loyalty means you don't entertain a rival club offer? Are you saying it is disrespectful to consider our options if he is requested by another club? What if they offered pick 1? If we could get Pendlebury from the filth, I wouldn't mind his disloyalty!

I agree re McDonald... But that's different. We aren't ending Trenners career in an ambush, we aren't telling him he's not wanted, we are responding to a market approach.

Far from happy reading this as it sounds like the old Melbourne: the one who shows no loyalty and ultimately gets burnt for it.

You want to look back and see just how ruthless Norm Smith was. You could be good. You could be very good. But if he didn't think you'd stand up on Grand Final day and help us win another flag, then you were out the door and replaced by someone he thought could.

Football has always been a ruthless sport. Good players chase cash and success, good clubs do whatever it takes - regardless of sentimentality - to build the best team. It's been happening for almost as long as the game has existed.

If trading Trenners gets us a better team then we would be mad not to do it. If it doesn't then we are silly to try it. That's all the really matters. It's all that has ever mattered in this sport.

So the only question is: will we be a better team for such a trade this time next year?

Can people please get over the fact the JT is not Carl Lewis.When fit JT was being compared to a Jimmy Bartel type of player. He can kick and rest up forward and take marks. Please note under Bailey we drafted a lot of athletes not footballers and we know how that turned out.

Yep would do this deal in a heartbeat! We get two great picks for a slow player! Do it Dees!!

Oh yeah because we have had such a great strike rate with draft picks..

FMD

Yep would do this deal in a heartbeat! We get two great picks for a slow player! Do it Dees!!

Um! Except that one of those picks is ours! Going to them! So its not two picks for a slow player at all!

Really hope this is not true.

Trengove for pick 12 only is more the right deal Hope we use 12 in a mega deal

time to change this club completely

This is a proposed deal, and while Trenners may not be keen on it, it may just be what he actually needs in the long run himself. He has suffered a bit being under the spot light at melbourne and leading the club at an early age, etc. moving to Richmond or another club may actually allow him to get rid of a lot of that baggage that he has been carrying and allow him to play up to his potential and enjoy his football a lot more. It will probably also give him a chance to play finals before his melbourne team mates.

How many times have I heard us say we should have traded them when they have value. Initially I didn't want this to happen as I have a great deal of respect for jack. But let's face it, in five years he has never really fulfilled any where near his promise. Yes injuries have impacted. But that's also part of the problem the injuries have made him old and slow.

I think the widespread response is bordering on the hysterical. I'm sure most that are up in the arms are same people clamouring for us to draft Petracca and Brayshaw, a circumstance which would put Trengove's status in the Best 22 (if he is in it at the moment) under serious jeapardy, not to mention his dicey injury history, his lack of pace and the fact that he has done nothing to show he can be a difference maker for multiple seasons.

I'm not sure if anyone has already posted this, as I'm only up to page 8 of this runaway thread, but this was a good recent article by Tim Boyle on loyalty in AFL being overrated:

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/free-agency-proves-loyalty-is-overrated-in-football-20141004-10qaky.html

We need a poll. Not that it would achieve much. It's up to Trenners now.

Anyone who thinks trading JT out for pick 12 which could be used in a further deal or at the draft would not help our list is not looking at this rationally. We are desperate to get better. We are a million miles off the pace. This type of deal is a neccessary evil.

We need to remember it's not just JT for 12. We have to throw in 23 as well.

We need to remember it's not just JT for 12. We have to throw in 23 as well.

In trading terms pick 23 doesn't get you anywhere near as much as what 12 might. Trenners is not worth 12 by himself. Christenson from Geelong is being traded out for #21. I know he has issues but he has far more to offer than Trenners.

Oh yeah because we have had such a great strike rate with draft picks..

FMD

Yeah, so let's keep one of those draftees that hasn't stood up, rather than try improve

Roos said before the draft period that everyone was on the table, having said so the club needs to review every potential deal to see if it will provide a positive outcome for the club, that does not mean this deal will go through as is or at all, but it does mean that Roos and co will review it, which is what we would expect them to do.

They are playing cloaks and daggers to get us prepared for the real thing.

The danger is that he wants to come here but doesn't like Trenners; but Adelaide do.

So basicly he has said if Trenners goes then I will come.

Trenners plus pick 3 should do the trick.

did you make this up as a joke?