Hopefully he will regain his pace. His sister is a runner it's in their genes.

There's running and there's running. Marathon runners, like his sister, don't need to be quick. I was at international level as a junior over 3km but could/can barely break 13 sec for 100m. This would see me beaten by every AFL player going around. If you aren't quick you need endurance and I think this is what Jack has.

I agree. His go is an in an under mid who starts in the centre. He's got good hands, good vision and reads the ball well.

His pace is only a worry in so far as it is an issue across the team. Whilst you def need a few players with genuine pace (eg Jetta) and a good number who are pretty quick (eg Cunningham) pace you don't need all players to be quick. Have a look at all the top teams - they have a blend.

A good comparison would be Priddis - one of the best in and under accumulators in the league who as he pointed out himself on Brownlow night is slow as a wet week

Luke Ball, Brad Sewell (at his best). Extractors with strength and fearlessness. As you say, JT needs to go that way too.

To model your game on Sam Mitchell would require the innate vision and disposal skills that I reckon sets him alone in the AFL. Greg Williams and Brian Wilson had it, but BW was flakey. JT isn't at that level.

Agree

Luke Ball, Brad Sewell (at his best). Extractors with strength and fearlessness. As you say, JT needs to go that way too.

...and also agree.

Now 'Webber' you would probably be able to answer this. Trenners not only lost a yard of pace but seemed to also lose his core strength which he would need to regain to be effective. Would the foot injury cause this or is it likely something else has also been holding him back.

Fingers crossed on JT but I can't believe that the footy injury suffered this year is responsible of his 2013 form line and his lack of pace and agility throughout this period. Hope to hell he can turn it around but wouldn't be betting old "lefty" on it.

I actually think he needs to get bigger so he can play as a genuine inside mid. Slimming down will cost him in the contest and he isn't quick enough to play as an outside player.

Trengove still looks very young and not much bigger than when he was drafted. He certainly doesn't have the strong yet sleek build that many Sydney players seem to have.

I would like to see him become a Jimmy Bartel

This is a great comparison. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Trengove's marking ability - he has terrific hands and is similar to Bartel in this regard, along with football nous and courage. Bartel ain't quick either....although he's much quicker than Trengove. I would love to see us give Trengove another year to see if this foot injury has indeed been what has slowed him down. His other attributes are extremely valuable and he certainly has plenty of upside.

Fingers crossed on JT but I can't believe that the footy injury suffered this year is responsible of his 2013 form line and his lack of pace and agility throughout this period. Hope to hell he can turn it around but wouldn't be betting old "lefty" on it.

The foot injury this year, he carried it last year, so I would say it is certainly responsible for his 2013 form

Luke Ball, Brad Sewell (at his best). Extractors with strength and fearlessness. As you say, JT needs to go that way too.

Or he could be an outside midfielder like Sam Gibson or Steele Sidebottom. Obviously much better to have quick guys than slow guys outside but if he finds enough of the ball through getting to the right spots and uses it well it could be his role. That's what he did in 2010. He's hard at it, but I'm not sure he's a natural clearance player.

Ryan O'Keefe type?

Before he was diagnosed with his foot condition, how long had it been since he was at his best?

2011 was a good year for him. So that would be 2 years before he injured his foot, 3 years in total up until now. 3 years is a long time in football.

To be frank, he has been woeful since the end of 2011, even with his injuries and all (not what one would have hoped from a #2 draft pick).

I hope he can get back to his best and then improve on that (after all he was only a 2nd year player - not exactly bordering on becoming a great player). It would be great if he could find some form and help improve our midfield, but to do that, he will definitely need to surpass his 2011 self.

Sadly, i doubt that he will be able to, as he has lost whatever pace and burst of speed he had. Sure people can blame and put hope in the fact he had a foot problem, but surely it can't have gone unnoticed for all of the 2 years where he was stuck in reverse with form and pace.

I think that your first sentence may he pivotal - when he was diagnosed may well be a year or two after he actually suffered the foot problem, so the explanation for his drop in form could well be an undiagnosed foot problem.

I hope that all here wish him well and hope that his foot has recovered fully allowing him to return to his previous best.

Remains to be seen of course.

Edited September 24, 201411 yr by monoccular

Fingers crossed on JT but I can't believe that the footy injury suffered this year is responsible of his 2013 form ...

You only have to go back to the Dank/Doctor Bates/AOD cream saga to verify that it probably was. It's also why he missed the (famous) Darwin training camp. One way or another, it's been an ongoing issue, certainly since the end of the 2012 season.

Edited September 24, 201411 yr by bing181

Will be a handy spare parts player for a few years but wont be a match winner .....ever.

...and also agree.

Now 'Webber' you would probably be able to answer this. Trenners not only lost a yard of pace but seemed to also lose his core strength which he would need to regain to be effective. Would the foot injury cause this or is it likely something else has also been holding him back.

It all comes from confidence in your base of support, being the feet. If you have no psychological or mechanical confidence in a foot, core strength has nothing to anchor on. At the risk of stating the obvious, because of the enormous non linear forces that go through the feet in footy, jumping, twisting, landing, if there's any vulnerability there, it's extremely hard to compensate. I reckon if JT's back to full capacity with his foot, he'll be a different player.

When we drafted Trengove I just couldn't see him not flourishing into a superstar, he had it all.
Now after watching Trengove the past few years, I just cannot see him being anything other than a one paced plodder.

I don't think the foot is the problem either, he needs some serious aggression. We've been stiff with Trengove and Watts - they just have no mongrel in em.

Jack T did until he got 3 weeks for a legitimate tackle on Dangerfield...deemed to be a sling tackle. His aggro has not been the same since. Hopefully, he will get his mojo back next year.

Will be a handy spare parts player for a few years but wont be a match winner .....ever.

I hope not!

Trengove PLUS Hogan PLUS all players development PLUS new recruits ... are critical

Very crucially critical.

Edited September 25, 201411 yr by the pearl

very important. I have faith

Ryan O'Keefe type?

That's what Roos has to develop him into. A goal kicking half forward who can pinch hit in the middle, he has one thing going for him and that is he is a good mark for his size. He is too slow and injury prone to be a regular midfielder.

He was good in his first year.

Exceptional even.

Neeld ruined his brain and his foot.

He'll be back to his first year form or better,

Obviously talent wise he is vital, high draft pick et cetera

But asidd from the 2 hours on a Saturday (Sunday arvo) the man is all class this is the people we need around our shattered club

Anyone know if hes back running or possibly even started an early preseason?

I have no doubt his 2012-13 form was due to his foot issues

Just look at him in 2011

and THAT tackle

Edited October 4, 201411 yr by hogans_heroes

Very!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In all seriousness; those that say very, why?

He'll only be a cog in a machine and far from being a primary mover. His position will be playable by any number of substitutes. Hes not unique, hes not A grade...so how is he "crucial". Handy maybe ...hardly indispensable.