3 goals at elite level very poor

[DeeSpencer 23,134]

We just don't have the cattle yet. Re signing players like spencer is just plain dumb. Some more vigorous trading and recruitment is needed.

44 on the list. Saving 3 spots for specialist ruckman isn't dumb buddy.

You can be vigorous all you want but extra pick 80's and rookie picks wont get it done.

Development is what we need. And that means Tyson and Viney stepping up to the level Pendlebury and Beams are at. It means Hogan when he returns. It means Salem learning from todays step backwards with 2 steps forward. And JKH getting the fitness and durability that Roos wont think about subbing him again.

[ILLDieADemon 804]

We really need a Mitch Clark replacement.

[Sir Why You Little 34,493]

We really need a Mitch Clark replacement.

Clark could have nearly won that today

You are so right.

[DeeSpencer 23,134]

We really need Mitch Clark

EFA.

Although what we really need is a Malceski/Suckling/Birchall etc and a Isaac Smith/Hannebery/Sidebottom/Brad Hill/Mzungu like machine on the outside.

Someone with the ability to take on the dangerous kick from half back and at least one outside midfielder capable of running all day and making space (besides Matty Jones who has a go) would drastically improve the speed in which we attack.

Bernie Vince or Salem to half back. Trengove back on the wing accumulating and moving at a higher speed. Jesse Hogan at CHF. That's the hope.

[Tatu 416]

The defensive pressure was excellent. Eventually we will learn to attack.

Be optimistic!!!!!

i agree... Our Defencive efforts were awesome, we were controlling most of the play today.... When this team learns how and when to switch between fast ball movement and the defencive shut down... Wow we will be a strong team...

I saw a lot of positives today...we had them on toast, in general play for nearly the whole first half... We looked skill, we were using the ball well and we shut down Collingwoods push to raise the tempo and regain control... That backward type of tempo footy kept us in the game... I couldn't careless about how many goals were scored, we were controlling them... It looked like we were going to over run them aventually...

I thought we lost the control just near the end of the second, when the magpies received a series of favorable decisions from the umpires... Jeez... It looked suss and i think the umpiring of this match should be investigated... Its almost like the umpires regain them control of the match... after that our composure seemed to drop away, we stay with them right up until the last quarter. but just when we would wrestle back control, the umpires would drop in another poor/suss decision...

Pendelbury attacks and wrestles Vince to the ground and receives a free?

Dawes having a set shot at goal and a Collingwood player just jogs in his way?

Vince received a hand ball from Jetta and kicks a goal, umpire calls the ball back and disallows the goal?

Williams use his head to milk a free in defence, which should have been holding the ball?

Elliot consistently jumping into(targeting) our players in marking contests and doesn't get hands to the Ball?

there are more, though id have to watch the replay to list them all... Put all these poor decisions together and they'll cost any club the match... The last few goals the scored were just junk time goals, when the match had already been decided...

Today we were openly and blatantly robbed by the umpires!!!

[Coq au vin 754]

agree ... worse game for 2014 even comparing the eagles game. A Hawthorn or Swans team will smash us if this is our standard. Turnovers and missed goals were junior level kicking

agree. Roos said the same post match. Skill errors cost us in scoring goals. Kicking it straight to opposition players doesn't help.

[nutbean 8,837]

Today was patheic

Cant believe the amount of people on here whp are content with what they saw

Three [censored] goals

I am still angry

Welcome to the MFC - obviously you are new here so I will give you a brief rundown of what happened the two years before you got here.

You may be surprised but we were pretty bad the last two years. We got thumped every week and were the laughing stock of the AFL. We weren't in any of our games after quarter time and we wondered if we were ever going to win a game. We also had a fair amount of internal problems with our admin and apparently discontent amongst some players.

Then at the end of last year we got a new professional CEO and a pretty decent coach who did not promise miracles - he didnt even promise a whole lot more wins - he promised that the first part of turning the footy club around is being in matches for much longer and a healthier percentage. And this he has delivered. We have seen improvement in our performances but as our pretty good coach says - we are coming from a long way back and we will have our bumps. Most supporters also realise that we are 9 games into this new coach and regime and have been cruelly struck by our big power forward retiring and our young untried gun forward having back problems.

Sorry - just thought since lots of this has escaped you, you must be pretty new to our history

(I apologise for a post that may have a touch of sarcasm in it - but I scratch my head when I see supporters who cannot fathom the depths we have come from and the progress we have made. Yes - I am not happy with 3 goals - bottom line is we butchered the ball into the forward line and we need to do better. We still have a number of young footballers who have had little good education mixed with some middle tier footballer who also haven't had good education. And we still have a number of NQR's who wont be on the list in the future. This is first time I can remember since the early Daniher years that I feel we are not just looking to win games - we are looking to BUILD something. I am under no illusion that will take some time.)

Edited June 9, 2014 by nutbean

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

A lot of self pity on this thread... contrary to belief a premiership side isn''t built overnight (in demon terms 50 years)

Yesterday wasn't about just 3 goals, it's about building a team ethos... Sure it was ugly and we didn't score but I'll take Sydney in 05 any day of the week...

Reality is the Dees are getting ahead of themselves atm, really need to clean up their ball use and need another big forward... And I'm not upset with yesterday because defence has been the first building block for a lot of good sides in recent history - (Swans, Pies, Cats etc)

Time to move on to the bombers!

[Dwight Schrute 16,781]

Collingwood are extremely good at pressuring the ball, our players didn't cope and so quality inside 50's were minimal

Couple of poor umpiring decisions didn't help

[nutbean 8,837]

Reality is the Dees are getting ahead of themselves atm, really need to clean up their ball use and need another big forward...

I don't think the team is getting ahead itself - just some of the supporter base.

( I would agree with you on the team if they played like it was just going to happen and didn't put in the effort - but I cant really fault the effort - just the execution)

Edited June 10, 2014 by nutbean

[PJ_12345 1,098]

Would prefer 3 for and 8 against then 8 for and 18 against

3 against 8 meant they kicked 2.67 times what we scored

8 against 18 meant they kicked 2.25 times what we scored

Based on pure numbers you should want the latter.

This doesn't take into consideration that we were clearly robbed of the Vince/Jetta goal, the impact that had on momentum and also how Collingwood got a free when Blair clearly ducked his head in our forward 50

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

we did kick 3.10

Watts missed from 30 out under no pressure, would have kept us in it

[DeeVoted 582]

Spewing, anyone at some stage wished Clark was playing in the forward line, or even Hogan as well?

Just had no forwards yesterday. Dawe tried but couldnt break free, Frawley was pushed high up the ground and had most of his kicks on the boundrary line or wing. Our so called strength pre season of a potent fowardline is a skelton of what it was looking like.

Still, huge inroads to what it was last year, just disappointed to lose to those scumbags again. All a learning curve and the curve is on the up.

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

Nutbean (my quote isn't working but just to respond)

I agree 100% we the supporters are getting a bit ahead of ourselves no doubt - but I actually agree with HH about the media display last week. I like we're growing confidence but we haven't beaten anyone of note nor have we been consistently winning. I thought the MFC media campaign last week was embarrassing.....

Just my opinion - long way to go

[nutbean 8,837]

Nutbean (my quote isn't working but just to respond)

I agree 100% we the supporters are getting a bit ahead of ourselves no doubt - but I actually agree with HH about the media display last week. I like we're growing confidence but we haven't beaten anyone of note nor have we been consistently winning. I thought the MFC media campaign last week was embarrassing.....

Just my opinion - long way to go

When was the last time we had almost 70,000 people to the G' with the screaming for the Demons almost ( I reiterate - almost) as loud as it was for the Pies.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,410]

I suspect the poor kicking for goal in the last quarter was caused by tired legs. Collingwood's pressure was relentless - similar to what we applied to the Swans a few weeks ago. That pressure meant our players had to run further and harder for longer. By the end of the game, Viney could barely kick the ball.

All in all, we played a top 4 team and stayed with them for most of the game. The number of goals we kicked is irrelevant.

Edit: spelling accuracy in the last sentence. Presumably caused by tired fingers

Edited June 10, 2014 by La Dee-vina Comedia

[Sir Why You Little 34,493]

I see perfectly what Roos is doing with this team, but my god it was hard to watch.

I just hope the boys learn quickly.

3 goals on dry MCG manicured turf is not acceptable going forward

[TGR 1,367]

The cattle forward wasn't the problem yesterday at all.

Like Roos said, when we should have gone fast, we didn't; and sometimes when we should have gone slow, we didn't. As for going fast, it helps if you have line-breakers as well.

FCS, we have come from being a pile of carp to competitive; and some morons want much more now.

[Sir Why You Little 34,493]

The cattle forward wasn't the problem yesterday at all.

Like Roos said, when we should have gone fast, we didn't; and sometimes when we should have gone slow, we didn't. As for going fast, it helps if you have line-breakers as well.

FCS, we have come from being a pile of carp to competitive; and some morons want much more now.

it was competitive yesterday because it wasn't Aussie Rules football. It was some kind of rugby/AFL hybrid.

I wouldn't pay good money to watch that again.

You can if you want.

[nutbean 8,837]

it was competitive yesterday because it wasn't Aussie Rules football. It was some kind of rugby/AFL hybrid.

I wouldn't pay good money to watch that again.

You can if you want.

If it gets us a premiership I will pay good money to see a rugby/AFL hybrid ( And Howie stand on an opponents head once a match)

[Redleg 37,612]

We didn't use the ball well kicking into the forward 50

And there we have it.

We also went too tall and destroyed our chance of stopping their run out of defence. Young, Seedsman, Williams, Heritier L and Langdon had a field day.

[jumbo returns 6,488]

Frost played an amazing game.....

[nutbean 8,837]

I disagree - with too tall being our problem - its was our last kick into the 50 - butcher the ball , butcher your chances of winning.

[nutbean 8,837]

Frost played an amazing game.....

He did indeed but again we didn't do Dawes or any of our forwards any favours. Roos nailed it when he said he we went fast when we should have gone slow and slow when we should have gone fast. We gave poor service to our forwards. I do think our defensive intensity inside 50 wasnt up to previous weeks,

[TGR 1,367]

it was competitive yesterday because it wasn't Aussie Rules football. It was some kind of rugby/AFL hybrid.

I wouldn't pay good money to watch that again.

You can if you want.

So, you would prefer us playing aesthetically pleasing footy where the scoreboard reads MFC 63; Opposition 146? We had that for most of the Bailey, Neeld and Daniher-odd-years. I'm glad we are now playing September footy that is hard and tough and exposes your work-ethic and fortitude.

As Goldsack said OTC last night, there actually weren't many stoppages (in the first half), so I'm perplexed about your rugby analogy. Soccer might have been better, as it was low scoring and played between the arcs.