Melbourne Turns to Meditation under Roos

[Sir Why You Little 36,747]

^^^ Is this how Keith Richards is still alive?

[dee-luded 2,959]

On the subject of meditation I was reading the other day about a theory (controversial) of Quantum Consciousness (orchestrated object reduction) being put forward by scientists (Stuart Hameroff in particular) who have done a lot of work with microtubules, small structures found in cells, including neurons. They are suggesting that we experience reality through a series of conscious moments driven by quantum processes at a rate of about 40Hz. Hameroff claims that experienced meditators (and Michael Jordan) run at a higher clock rate so experience more reality per second than the rest of us and why, for Jordan, time seems to slow down when he is in the zone.

A controversial theory, interesting to see how it pans out in further research.

(do I need to get out more?)

have you never dropped into the 'zone', & then back out of it? when things happen in slow motion.

[TRIGON 4,783]

have you never dropped into the 'zone', & then back out of it? when things happen in slow motion.

I have, sometimes used to happen when batting in cricket (wish it happened more often).

Sadly, when it came to the more athletic aspects of sport I moved so slowly that all those watching thought they were "in the zone".

[Webber 10,442]

On the subject of meditation I was reading the other day about a theory (controversial) of Quantum Consciousness (orchestrated object reduction) being put forward by scientists (Stuart Hameroff in particular) who have done a lot of work with microtubules, small structures found in cells, including neurons. They are suggesting that we experience reality through a series of conscious moments driven by quantum processes at a rate of about 40Hz. Hameroff claims that experienced meditators (and Michael Jordan) run at a higher clock rate so experience more reality per second than the rest of us and why, for Jordan, time seems to slow down when he is in the zone. A controversial theory, interesting to see how it pans out in further research. (do I need to get out more?)

Sounds fair to me, given that the linear constraints we ascribe to time are just an artificial construct anyway. And we all know that the 'passing' of time is relative, just witness how long the quarters go when the dees are getting hammered, as against the all too recently rare opposite! IGAG, I think you probably need to stay IN more, keep reading, and pass on the gems

[Biffen 12,936]

I have, sometimes used to happen when batting in cricket (wish it happened more often).

Sadly, when it came to the more athletic aspects of sport I moved so slowly that all those watching thought they were "in the zone".

Gawnski, can attest to similar states at the crease(never for long enough).

Sometime a batsman can try to pre-empt "the zone" and come unstuck.

Long time sportsman are often gamblers ,risk takers in general .

I think the loss of that intuitive knowledge of "where the ball will be"

is what we call "form"

When you are out of form you guess and when you are in it you know.

I think if we were batting together our first mid pitch conference might be;

"No quick singles"

"Agreed-Not ever"

[robbiefrom13 877]

Sounds fair to me, given that the linear constraints we ascribe to time are just an artificial construct anyway. And we all know that the 'passing' of time is relative, just witness how long the quarters go when the dees are getting hammered

or watch a bird washing itself in the birdbath

[dee-luded 2,959]

I have, sometimes used to happen when batting in cricket (wish it happened more often).

Sadly, when it came to the more athletic aspects of sport I moved so slowly that all those watching thought they were "in the zone".

total focus is IMO is the slo Mo factor but I think its impossible to be in that 100% of the time.

but somewhere less than that is I think in the zone (constant)

just focus without any inner distractions = confidence in what your doing, X secure in your surrounds, X a quiet mind.

meditation is a help imo.

[daisycutter 29,442]

sometimes (for one's own wellbeing) it's best not to over-think things

[dee-luded 2,959]

Gawnski, can attest to similar states at the crease(never for long enough).

Sometime a batsman can try to pre-empt "the zone" and come unstuck.

Long time sportsman are often gamblers ,risk takers in general .

I think the loss of that intuitive knowledge of "where the ball will be"

is what we call "form"

When you are out of form you guess and when you are in it you know.

I think if we were batting together our first mid pitch conference might be;

"No quick singles"

"Agreed-Not ever"

I think 'intuitive' is from the sub conscious. 'guessing', or 'a trying thought' is from the conscious mind (IMO), trying to 'force, - or think' yourself to play well. instead of belief & trust & letting it happen.

[Slartibartfast 16,960]

Does anyone else have issues of independence with this arrangement?

Meditation might be good, I don't know, but if it is should the coaches wife be benefiting from the provision of services or is she doing it for nothing?

Is she the best available to provide these services? Who is in charge of her appointment and who hires and fires her. If it's Roos there is a clear issue.

Seems strange to me.

[Biffen 12,936]

I think 'intuitive' is from the sub conscious. 'guessing', or 'a trying thought' is from the conscious mind (IMO), trying to 'force, - or think' yourself to play well. instead of belief & trust & letting it happen.

Letting it Happen is probably at the core of meditation and related buddhist based religions.

Are you a Carl Jung fan mate?

Some fascinating studies of intuition,synchronicity and of course,the unconscious mind.

Unfortunately Melbourne has suffered a collective negativity as a club and supporter base.

Roos doesn't really trust negative energy which is doing us all the world of good!

[Biffen 12,936]

Does anyone else have issues of independence with this arrangement?

Meditation might be good, I don't know, but if it is should the coaches wife be benefiting from the provision of services or is she doing it for nothing?

Is she the best available to provide these services? Who is in charge of her appointment and who hires and fires her. If it's Roos there is a clear issue.

Seems strange to me.

Don't give a rats ring what we pay her .

I'm delighted the guy has involved his whole life into our little basket case of a footy club.

[Redleg 40,400]

Does anyone else have issues of independence with this arrangement?

Meditation might be good, I don't know, but if it is should the coaches wife be benefiting from the provision of services or is she doing it for nothing?

Is she the best available to provide these services? Who is in charge of her appointment and who hires and fires her. If it's Roos there is a clear issue.

Seems strange to me.

I raised this at the time Roos was being chased, as I was reading his book and it mentioned her giving the Swans players meditation advice.

If it is being provided free that would alleviate a number of concerns.

I would imagine Mahoney would be in charge as head of the Footy Department and it would be handled sensitively, if it didn't work out.

I get the very strong feeling from the book that money would not be her motivation.

Anyway I hope it helps us.

To be honest I would be happy to have some advice on meditation from her, as this club has stressed me out severely, over a number of years.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Letting it Happen is probably at the core of meditation and related buddhist based religions.

Are you a Carl Jung fan mate?

Some fascinating studies of intuition,synchronicity and of course,the unconscious mind.

Unfortunately Melbourne has suffered a collective negativity as a club and supporter base.

Roos doesn't really trust negative energy which is doing us all the world of good!

I sort of knew of it, let it happen, or let it be. but I didn't have any experience or confidence to support any of it when young.

after going thru the horrendous pain of growing from a wreck, & then over balancing the other way with the growth of confidence the pain erupted.

slowly the experiences grow & confidence grows & following that learning starts to happen.. if this is in conjunction with an enquiring type of mind, & an open & welcoming mind to other Ideas,then all sorts of growth happens when in a state of relative calm & normality.

I don't read as I can't sit still long enough to focus on text from a book unless its a goal oriented subject. (to fix the car)

my learning is all from my experiences & from pro help etc. no jung teachings as far as i know of. just a lot of bloody hard work, & thoughtful intuitive Ideas these days.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Letting it Happen is probably at the core of meditation and related buddhist based religions.

Are you a Carl Jung fan mate?

Let, the force 'be With You'.

trust in its Power

[Pitchy 196]

Great to hear everyone's thoughts on meditation. The human mind is not only endlessly fascinating but also can be very difficult to control as an individual. This applies to many life situations, not least of which high pressure sports. Meditation, as a way of understanding and training the mind, is both an ancient technique AND on the very cutting edge of modern science. Paul Roos introducing it, I believe, is an excellent initiative for the club. Well done Paul Roos and family.

[TRIGON 4,783]

Gawnski, can attest to similar states at the crease(never for long enough).

Sometime a batsman can try to pre-empt "the zone" and come unstuck.

Long time sportsman are often gamblers ,risk takers in general .

I think the loss of that intuitive knowledge of "where the ball will be"

is what we call "form"

When you are out of form you guess and when you are in it you know.

I think if we were batting together our first mid pitch conference might be;

"No quick singles"

"Agreed-Not ever"

Hi Biff, I'd argue that what you've highlighted is combination of focus, pattern recognition and decision accuracy. It may feel intuitive because cognition works at a subconscious level.

Whatever the process, if it means you are hitting boundaries instead of piddly 2's and 3's then I definately want you as my batting partner!

[monoccular 17,353]

have you never dropped into the 'zone', & then back out of it? when things happen in slow motion.

Our boys have spent far too much time over the past 6+ years "in slow motion" it would seem :-(

[Little Goffy 14,157]

I wonder what Tammy is charging - if we're getting it at a 'family discount' rate then having her directing it is extremely helpful because the real stuff, with proper instruction, can get seriously expensive.

Practiced as a formal discipline meditation is a superb form of self-control training. Has been proven effective for anger management, stress relief, alleviating depression, improving concentration, post-trauma recovery, pretty much anything about managing mood and mental state. But it is a serious skill that requires focus and training to learn to use effectively. In fact, one of the reasons it has not taken off so much as a treatment is the cost of the sessions. Perhaps ironic that such a self-reliant approach incurs so much cost.

On the other hand, homeopathy and quite a few other 'alternative' medicines are absolute frauds that puts people in danger by misdirecting them away from actual treatment. In the case of chiropractic 'treatment', it can even do direct harm.

[Nasher 33,607]

On the other hand, homeopathy and quite a few other 'alternative' medicines are absolute frauds that puts people in danger by misdirecting them away from actual treatment. In the case of chiropractic 'treatment', it can even do direct harm.

I was wondering when chiropractic was going to rear its ugly head in this discussion, especially with a couple of physios posting in this thread. I thought about introducing it myself when I saw ding's scathing attach on homeopathy.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Hi Biff, I'd argue that what you've highlighted is combination of focus, pattern recognition and decision accuracy. It may feel intuitive because cognition works at a subconscious level.

Whatever the process, if it means you are hitting boundaries instead of piddly 2's and 3's then I definately want you as my batting partner!

this is why imo the past Aus' Test Cricket coach, & the attitudes implemented that got him hired in the first place, was born from idealism & ignorance. they were very wrong I believe, & this shook the fabric of the team & squad & the wheels fell off. add an indifferent & lost leader & splat.

boof has brought back a language & culture, easily understood by ours at a sub level, without thinking out aloud to themselves. just an instinctive way of things which allows natural play to resume & harmony to return.

Edited December 3, 2013 by dee-luded

[dee-luded 2,959]

Our boys have spent far too much time over the past 6+ years "in slow motion" it would seem -(

no mono, the opposite. Their minds wheels spinning out of control & getting Nil traction. and going Nowhere (panic) but sliding downhill.

Slowing down the conscious thought process via a more relaxed mind, will allow a faster transference of information to switch from subconscious to the conscious brain & acts of spontaneity.

When confidence returns further, hopefully we will see less decision errors, as they gain belief in the new processes & themselves, & in time we should start to win more habitually.

[Elusive Tunbridge 795]

boof has brought back a language & culture, easily understood by ours at a sub level, without thinking out aloud to themselves. just an instinctive way of things which allows natural play to resume & harmony to return.

It's conveyed above all by the way the coach is present. Nick on Demonology used to refer to Neeld in his training reports as "The Invisible Man", because he was so often absent and not very interactive when present. Roos is already showing something different - present, talking, teaching, overseeing without interfering. It's not just the words, it's the music.

[Biffen 12,936]

^^^ Is this how Keith Richards is still alive?

i think the word for that is MediCation.

[dee-luded 2,959]

It's conveyed above all by the way the coach is present. Nick on Demonology used to refer to Neeld in his training reports as "The Invisible Man", because he was so often absent and not very interactive when present. Roos is already showing something different - present, talking, teaching, overseeing without interfering. It's not just the words, it's the music.

No doubt, but Neeld probably hoped to become more present as his list evolved & he would then mellow. (good cop - bad cop) but he ran out of time.

but his cleanout was just what we needed. he weeded us out & pensioned off.

this Will help the changing of our cultural guard easier, & the instillation of the new culture more successful in adhering to the walls, paint & fabrics throughout our club.

the players will adopt it & eat, breath & speak it, as if it was always in our Clubs ways.