Lynden Dunn

[autocol 448]

No, I don't know more than those coaches, and I'd have kept him if I were in the same positions.

But Dunn has to date now made it clear to me that he is not worth persevering with.

So you're willing to abuse other posters for supporting Dunn, but not willing to make a concrete statement as to whether Melbourne's next coach, most likely Paul Roos, will put him in the team for round 1 next year?

Brave poster, you are.

[Machsy 2,858]

So you're willing to abuse other posters for supporting Dunn, but not willing to make a concrete statement as to whether Melbourne's next coach, most likely Paul Roos, will put him in the team for round 1 next year?

Brave poster, you are.

Oh, that's what you want me to answer?

I'm guessing he will be kept, since he's contracted.

I'm also guessing that he will get a game at some stage under Roos.

Don't think he'll play round 1. Maybe round 4?

I think he looks like should be a much better contributor than he is, and he should.

Once Roos sees him up close for a few matches, either Dunn will change his ways or Roos will banish him to Casey.

I'm guessing he won't change.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Machiavelli

[autocol 448]

Sixth in the BnF is a good result for Dunny, and - may I say - well deserved.

I think, at some point in future, he'll be recognised as a valuable contributor when surrounded by a good team.

[Demon Jack 7,141]

Sixth in the BnF is a good result for Dunny, and - may I say - well deserved.

I think, at some point in future, he'll be recognised as a valuable contributor when surrounded by a good team.

Good post. Does a good shut down role every week on an opposition forward. Well done Dunny.

[DeeSpencer 26,301]

Will be the catalyst for my 'B+F voting system must be changed thread' that I will start tomorrow.

What a joke

[Machsy 2,858]

He's a HACK.

The sooner we have a good team around him, the sooner he won't be getting a game any more.

Chuck him in the scrapheap now.

Sickens me.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

I've never liked Dunn much at all, terrible decision maker and has a poor attitude, but he's been decent, not great by any means, in the last part of the year and there's been no one knocking down the door to replace him. Still is a decent size/kick and has shown form in different positions throughout his career. Used to compare him to Bate quite a lot, similiar type of player, drafted together, born in the same month of the same year too and similiarly frustrating/didn't really have a position. Thought they'd get delisted together but the stars alligned to see Bate go and Dunn stay. I'm happy for Dunn to stay, but hopefully well disciplined, more hungry to stay in the team and taught to make better decisions from his kick ins. He's always had versatility so I wouldn't mind seeing him as a tagger/forward again either, he kicked quite a few goals in 2010. Or at least for him to wander up a bit more to kick goals from 50. We need a player like that

[Ron Burgundy 8,588]

He's a HACK.

The sooner we have a good team around him, the sooner he won't be getting a game any more.

Chuck him in the scrapheap now.

Sickens me.

Ordinary post.

[P-man 13,366]

He's a HACK.

The sooner we have a good team around him, the sooner he won't be getting a game any more.

Chuck him in the scrapheap now.

Sickens me.

Yeah!

Goddamn maggot coming sixth in the B&F! Who does he think he is?? Bloody hack, weak, bloody mongrel, shirt pulling bloody dog.

Patooey!

[Coup Cooper 610]

He's had ago and finished in the top ten this year!

Is to Melbourne what Maxwell is to Collingwood with a better kick. And has now a year and a half exp in the back line. Not the greatest but I'd keep him.

[hardtack 10,861]

He's had ago and finished in the top ten this year!

Is to Melbourne what Maxwell is to Collingwood with a better kick. And has now a year and a half exp in the back line. Not the greatest but I'd keep him.

And therein lies the problem... throughout his career with the Dees, Dunn has been pushed from pillar to post as far as his playing position goes. He was never allowed to settle into one position until under Neeld when he was given a permanent role down back. He can infuriate me with some of the things he does, but I'll be quite happy if he is persevered with under Roos who will probably be able to give him a more clearly defined shutdown role.

[CBDees 3,167]

Yeah!

Goddamn maggot coming sixth in the B&F! Who does he think he is?? Bloody hack, weak, bloody mongrel, shirt pulling bloody dog.

Patooey!

He speaks well of you!

[Redleg 41,952]

Sixth in the BnF is a good result for Dunny, and - may I say - well deserved.

I think, at some point in future, he'll be recognised as a valuable contributor when surrounded by a good team.

Agree. Not the best, but far from the worst. Has had a good year. Can kick a goal and has a huge kick. Probably needs to work on those quick disposals.

[Machsy 2,858]

He's had ago and finished in the top ten this year!

Is to Melbourne what Maxwell is to Collingwood with a better kick. And has now a year and a half exp in the back line. Not the greatest but I'd keep him.

This is a gross misrepresentation of Dunn'd ability and character, to the detriment of Maxwell.

Mind-bogglingly so.

I get that people want to get behind their own players, but I don't know how people overlook that he is a complete fraud.

[GrandOld 367]

Don't think we should judge anyone on our list until they have spent some time under a decent coach. Anyone would look crap in our outfit over the past 5 years

[Nasher 33,617]

I love a good Lynden bag-fest as much as anyone, but surely there's a time and a place for it.

Well done on the B+F finish and a consistent year under trying circumstances.

[Arrow 1,257]

Lynden Dunn was actually proven in the paper about 4 weeks ago to be the best lock down defender in the league. He won more 1 on 1 contests than any single player in the comp. A decent feat at a good club, an incredible feat at a club like ours.

I do not like Lynden a whole lot as a player, I think around goals he's incredibly selfish and I don't like his niggling tactics per say.

That said, you must judge impartially and while he's played many poor years 6th in the best and fairest along with the stats I alluded too suggests he can kick his feet up this season and be proud of his personal efforts in 2013.

[DeeSpencer 26,301]

Don't think we should judge anyone on our list until they have spent some time under a decent coach. Anyone would look crap in our outfit over the past 5 years

That's the kind of cop out that our list have been using to justify their rubbish efforts. We've got close to a dozen players who look ok under the Neeld regime, why do the others expect a coach will do it for him.

I love a good Lynden bag-fest as much as anyone, but surely there's a time and a place for it.

Well done on the B+F finish and a consistent year under trying circumstances.

The B+F result has not led me to change my view on Dunn, it's actually the other way round, I'm paying out on the B+F for being such a rubbish award that its let Dunn finish 6th

[autocol 448]

I don't know how people overlook that he is a complete fraud.

I don't know how you overlook all the evidence that clearly indicates how wrong you are.

[Machsy 2,858]

Evidence?

It's a handful of stats, and you clearly overvalue those stats.

I'm not saying you skew them in any way, but you overvalue that particular part of his game and influence it has on the side winning games.

He's a momentum killer, an appier of pressure (to his teammates) and a shirker or responsibility.

Watch the game!

Closely watch incidents in isolation. Then watch more. Then more.

It'll become clear there is a clear pattern.

Edited September 6, 2013 by Machiavelli

[P-man 13,366]

Evidence?

It's a handful of stats, and you clearly overvalue those stats.

I'm not saying you skew them in any way, but you overvalue that particular part of his game and influence it has on the side winning games.

He's a momentum killer, an appier of pressure (to his teammates) and a shirker or responsibility.

Watch the game!

Closely watch incidents in isolation. Then watch more. Then more.

It'll become clear there is a clear pattern.

Dude, c'mon. Enough. Park it for a day.

[autocol 448]

Evidence?

...

Watch the game!

What, like the coaches who awarded him 3.75 points per game out of 7, the seventh best in our team (Garland was best with 4.29)?

You continue to claim that your incredible ability to watch football outweighs not only all of the statistics, but also the football-watching ability of a whole group of paid professionals.

It's time to admit to yourself that your confirmation bias has left you completely incapable of making a fair assessment of Dunn's play this year. You're just wrong, totally wrong.

[Machsy 2,858]

Not true.

I supported Dunn for many years, against popular opinion, until watching his play closely convinced me otherwise.

I know I have exaggerated on this thread, but only in an effort to give something that resembles balance.

The love for him is unfounded.

[Machsy 2,858]

And yes, I will park it for today.

It's not an ongoing conversation that is worth having.

For any of us.

Positions aren't likely to change over the summer.

[autocol 448]

The love for him is exaggerated in this thread for precisely the opposite reason. I don't think me, or any of his supporters in this thread, think he's in even the best 200 players in the comp, but the way you and half of this board carry on, he wouldn't get a kick for Lalor's under 15's.