Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[deanox 9,722]

A question RE the ADRVP and the AFL convened Anti-Doping Tribunal.

Are players placed on the register of findings by the ADRVP suspended pending the Anti-Doping Tribunal hearing?

Assuming a player appeals to the Administratiove Appeals Tribunal (and ultimately the CoAS) against a suspension handed by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal, do the players serve the suspensions during the appeals process?

In usual courts of law you may be remanded, or you may be free until you have exhausted all appeals. I'm not sure how it works with the WADA code.

[Its Time for Another 4,088]

A question RE the ADRVP and the AFL convened Anti-Doping Tribunal.

Are players placed on the register of findings by the ADRVP suspended pending the Anti-Doping Tribunal hearing?

Assuming a player appeals to the Administratiove Appeals Tribunal (and ultimately the CoAS) against a suspension handed by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal, do the players serve the suspensions during the appeals process?

In usual courts of law you may be remanded, or you may be free until you have exhausted all appeals. I'm not sure how it works with the WADA code.

Not entirely sure on this one. Using a couple of cycling cases that went to the CoAS. In Michael Rogers case he was suspended until his Appeal. His Appeal was successful so he was reinstated. However, I think the suspension was done by his team not ASADA. In the case of Contador, he appealed to the CoAS and was allowed to continue to compete up until the hearing. He lost the appeal and his results from the time the Notice was issued were stripped from him.

I don't know about you but I don't see the Dons voluntarily suspending players, so I would assume they will keep playing.

[Its Time for Another 4,088]

Reading through the submissions on the afl.com.au site. Hird's arguments look even worse on the appeal. Desperate technical arguments in vain hope to suppress the truth. Doing his reputation irreparable damage. Don't know who's driving these Court proceedings but the damage he's doing to himself no matter what the result makes this whole decision making process bizarre. Will eat my hat if this appeal gets up. Indications from the Bench don't look too promising either. Wouldn't think this decision is going to take very long.

[old dee 23,506]

Reading through the submissions on the afl.com.au site. Hird's arguments look even worse on the appeal. Desperate technical arguments in vain hope to suppress the truth. Doing his reputation irreparable damage. Don't know who's driving these Court proceedings but the damage he's doing to himself no matter what the result makes this whole decision making process bizarre. Will eat my hat if this appeal gets up. Indications from the Bench don't look too promising either. Wouldn't think this decision is going to take very long.

God I hope you are correct I want the bloody thing over.before Christmas.

Well I can dream can't I?

[daisycutter 29,353]

God I hope you are correct I want the bloody thing over.before Christmas.

Well I can dream can't I?

hird has still got the high court to go - lol

[DemonFrog 1,347]

Reading through the submissions on the afl.com.au site. Hird's arguments look even worse on the appeal. Desperate technical arguments in vain hope to suppress the truth. Doing his reputation irreparable damage. Don't know who's driving these Court proceedings but the damage he's doing to himself no matter what the result makes this whole decision making process bizarre. Will eat my hat if this appeal gets up. Indications from the Bench don't look too promising either. Wouldn't think this decision is going to take very long.

In time you will all come to understand that I am right and ASADA and the AFL are all wrong!

As I am from MessyDrug and we make the rules!

[DemonFrog 1,347]

Apparently Hird is being represented by a Dennis Denuto who will be using Mabo as a precedent; Denuto was heard to mumble something about "the vibe".

[DemonFrog 1,347]

hird has still got the high court to go - lol

How much does it cost to go to the high court?

[old dee 23,506]

How much does it cost to go to the high court?

Squillions but he seems to have plenty.

[Its Time for Another 4,088]

hird has still got the high court to go - lol

He has to get leave from the High Court to appeal. They won't grant it for this.

[sue 9,030]

hird has still got the high court to go - lol

Thank Gough (or God, who I gather may be one and the same) that he stopped appeals to the UK Privy Council in 1975 or Hird could go on forever.

[daisycutter 29,353]

Thank Gough (or God, who I gather may be one and the same) that he stopped appeals to the UK Privy Council in 1975 or Hird could go on forever.

i wonder if he could go to the international court of justice in the hague

he probably checked it out whilst in france

[old dee 23,506]

i wonder if he could go to the international court of justice in the hague

he probably checked it out whilst in france

I am happy if he goes there dc as long as he goes over there while waiting.

[Cards13 9,117]

Did the ASADA lawyer fluff his submission??

4:20pm:

Justice Kenny is now questioning a number of assertions made by Howe. Howe is arguing that the negative implication against ASADA gaining the fruit of the AFL's exertion of power (being argued by Hird) is all over the place.

4:09pm:Howe tries to analogise ASADA and the AFP. Kenny says that different arms of executive government cannot be compared.

[Whispering_Jack 29,275]

Did the ASADA lawyer fluff his submission??

4:20pm:

Justice Kenny is now questioning a number of assertions made by Howe. Howe is arguing that the negative implication against ASADA gaining the fruit of the AFL's exertion of power (being argued by Hird) is all over the place.

4:09pm:Howe tries to analogise ASADA and the AFP. Kenny says that different arms of executive government cannot be compared.

The Judge is testing the arguments put by Counsel. A usual practice and not necessarily indicative of anything.

[jnrmac 19,911]

Reading through the submissions on the afl.com.au site. Hird's arguments look even worse on the appeal. Desperate technical arguments in vain hope to suppress the truth. Doing his reputation irreparable damage. Don't know who's driving these Court proceedings but the damage he's doing to himself no matter what the result makes this whole decision making process bizarre. Will eat my hat if this appeal gets up. Indications from the Bench don't look too promising either. Wouldn't think this decision is going to take very long.

You are being harsh there. He doesn't want to supress the truth. He simply wants ASADA to start again and conduct a lawful investigation because the players and he would answer differently this time if they knew they didn't have the threat of the AFL being able to force them to speak hanging over their heads.

He really is a beacon of self sacrifice.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

Tell him he's dreaming!

Edited November 10, 2014 by Pig Dog

[daisycutter 29,353]

WTF is going on?

All three judges dressed in red and black

I don't like the smell of this

[old dee 23,506]

The Judge is testing the arguments put by Counsel. A usual practice and not necessarily indicative of anything.

I remember last time at various points the cheer squad from the HUN were saying how well the hird case was going based on questions being asked by the Judge.

And we all know how that one ended

[bing181 9,029]

The appeal after that is to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. In the Contador case that took over a year.

Just to be the resident pedant, it didn't actually. The UCI appealed in March 2012, and the case was heard in November. Much of the initial hold-up in that case was because all the documents had to come from Spain (perhaps not particularly rapidly) and then be translated. The CAS hearing had been initially scheduled for June, which is only a few months after the appeal had been lodged, and is more in keeping with how long the CAS appeals take.

But, agree with your post. If that's how they want to play it.

[bing181 9,029]

He simply wants ASADA to start again and conduct a lawful investigation because the players and he would answer differently this time ...

How can they answer differently if they're telling the truth?

- though suspect that little of this hinges on information that the players have provided.

[monoccular 17,341]

Not entirely sure on this one. Using a couple of cycling cases that went to the CoAS. In Michael Rogers case he was suspended until his Appeal. His Appeal was successful so he was reinstated. However, I think the suspension was done by his team not ASADA. In the case of Contador, he appealed to the CoAS and was allowed to continue to compete up until the hearing. He lost the appeal and his results from the time the Notice was issued were stripped from him.

I don't know about you but I don't see the Dons voluntarily suspending players, so I would assume they will keep playing.

Especially, as we all know, because they have done no wrong

[DemonFrog 1,347]

It appears Mr T will not accept a lie

http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/2014/10/02/hird-lodges-appeal-wont-accept-lie/

Now that the funniest thing I read in ages.

[beelzebub 23,205]

Judge Kenny knows his shlt !!!

[DemonFrog 1,347]