Melbourne has moved on from Roos

[P-man 13,366]

Then I guess I am not quite as depressed as you BH.

No, Ben's right. Right now, Jones and Garland are the only ones you could argue as being A grade, and both are very borderline. 5-6? You're dreaming OD.

There's other things I don't agree with on your assessment. I wouldn't be putting a line through Blease and Strauss just yet for starters, and there's a much bigger question mark over Tynan than there is Evans and Kent.

[old dee 23,782]

It's just reality.

Deluding myself you think?

[old dee 23,782]

No, Ben's right. Right now, Jones and Garland are the only ones you could argue as being A grade, and both are very borderline. 5-6? You're dreaming OD.

There's other things I don't agree with on your assessment. I wouldn't be putting a line through Blease and Strauss just yet for starters, and there's a much bigger question mark over Tynan than there is Evans and Kent.

On Blease I just think he has one trick, he is a dasher with not much else. Also think he has a low tank!

It is only my opinion P_Man.

Put up your list And I think we may be very similar.

[P-man 13,366]

On Blease I just think he has one trick, he is a dasher with not much else. Also think he has a low tank!

It is only my opinion P_Man.

Put up your list And I think we may be very similar.

I'm not saying your list is wrong necessarily, I just don't agree with some parts. You are however wrong on the number of A graders we have. If we had SIX A graders, we wouldn't be where we are on the ladder.

Blease has explosive speed and good goal sense. Both are important attributes in any side. Tank can be worked upon. He's still young in terms of games played, that is a non-issue. The bigger concern is his ability to find the football, but he may just be a player who does more with less of it, though ideally he would regularly get to 20+. Overall I think Blease is another player who would be alot better in a good side. He's the cream.

I'll do a full list again when I have the inclination. I've done it a few times before.

Edited July 22, 2013 by P_Man

[old dee 23,782]

I'm not saying your list is wrong necessarily, I just don't agree with some parts. You are however wrong on the number of A graders we have. If we had SIX A graders, we wouldn't be where we are on the ladder.

Blease has explosive speed and good goal sense. Both are important attributes in any side. Tank can be worked upon. He's still young in terms of games played, that is a non-issue. The bigger concern is his ability to find the football, but he may just be a player who does more with less of it, though ideally he would regularly get to 20+. Overall I think Blease is another player who would be alot better in a good side. He's the cream.

I'll do a full list again when I have the inclination. I've done it a few times before.

These things are always just an opinion as stated.

I have a thick skin P_Man if you stick out your chin someone will punch you on it, which you are not doing in my view.

So it appears we agree with the exception you are a little more negative than me and you think Blease is way better than I do.

[Redleg 40,858]

Heard a rumour that Lyon will be stepping down due to his wife wanting to move back to Melb and Roos to takeover Freo.

"IF" it is true, Lyon might be available.

That would only happen if he was guaranteed a similar income in Melbourne. I heard he lost a lot of money and needed security and a pay rise and that is why he left the Saints.

If he was available to us and Roos wasn't, I would imagine we would snap him up.

[olisik 4,060]

Im happy with Craig. Hanging to see how guys like Evans plays under him.

[Go the Biff 3,414]

Then I guess I am not quite as depressed as you BH.

It's more a case of differing interpretations of A Grade.

It appears your definition in this thread Old Dee is an established, competent AFL player

B-H's definition of A Grade is the cream of the crop. Think Pendlebury, Hodge, Selwood, Stevie J, etc. Those who are likely to earn All-Australian honours over more than one year.

And he's right, we don't have one. Not even close

IMO we need to find (import) at least two in the midfield for us to progress. By whatever means.

[olisik 4,060]

Im happy with Craig. Hanging to see how guys like Evans plays under him.

all I dont like about Craig is this Northern Territory Demons crap he was saying

[P-man 13,366]

These things are always just an opinion as stated.

I have a thick skin P_Man if you stick out your chin someone will punch you on it, which you are not doing in my view.

So it appears we agree with the exception you are a little more negative than me and you think Blease is way better than I do.

I'm not gong to sit down and do a full list assessment just cause you've asked for it. I've merely pointed out a couple of things I don't agree with in yours. It's not an attack OD. No need to get antsy.

I do think you'd struggle to find anyone at all who thinks we have six A graders on our list. Perhaps you mean potential A graders?

Edited July 22, 2013 by P_Man

[P-man 13,366]

I also don't think Blease is "way better", but you've relegated him to the VFL/depth at best. His ceiling is better than that in my opinion.

[Pennant St Dee 13,128]

More posts to come soon enough I expect from Deelanders analysing and provding interpretation on what Roos says, his actions (eg ear pulling), does or doesn't answer on OTC during tonights episode.

No hope of this thread finishing up within 2 months unless the definitive no comes soon

[old dee 23,782]

I'm not gong to sit down and do a full list assessment just cause you've asked for it. I've merely pointed out a couple of things I don't agree with in yours. It's not an attack OD. No need to get antsy.

I do think you'd struggle to find anyone at all who thinks we have six A graders on our list. Perhaps you mean potential A graders?

Gee P_Man I think I must have said it wrong or something don't feel antsy at all.

I don't feel attacked by anyone certainly not by you.

As I have said it is only my opinion others will have different views.

It may be as Go the Biff suggests I may have a different view of what A grade is.

The funny thing Is I believe we have a poor list and thought I would get attacked for being too negative.

Does not surprise me that you think I am wrong about Blease, afraid he does little for me.

[old dee 23,782]

More posts to come soon enough I expect from Deelanders analysing and provding interpretation on what Roos says, his actions (eg ear pulling), does or doesn't answer on OTC during tonights episode.No hope of this thread finishing up within 2 months unless the definitive no comes soon

I hope someone asks him if he is waiting for the WCE job?

[beelzebub 23,313]

I hope someone asks him if he is waiting for the WCE job?

I dont think he's interested in coaching currently OD !!

[Ted Lasso 19,356]

We are due to interview Choco this week correct? would be interested to know what exactly our search criteria is.

[dazzledavey36 54,408]

Can someone give a run down on the Roos saga if anything else gets mention on The Couch?

cheers

[Travis Boots 157]

That would only happen if he was guaranteed a similar income in Melbourne. I heard he lost a lot of money and needed security and a pay rise and that is why he left the Saints.

If he was available to us and Roos wasn't, I would imagine we would snap him up.

I would imagine the Essendon job may also be available next season too. From what i remember he isnt even on a massive contract at Freo, only that it was a long term 4 year deal. The figure 650-700k a season seem to ring a bell.

All this is obviously hypothetical. The rumour itself though re him quitting the Dockers due to personal reasons came from Freo people so you just never know!

Edited July 22, 2013 by Sweet Puff

[Bonkers 994]

I would imagine the Essendon job may also be available next season too. From what i remember he isnt even on a massive contract at Freo, only that it was a long term 4 year deal. The figure 650-700k a season seem to ring a bell.

All this is obviously hypothetical. The rumour itself though re him quitting the Dockers due to personal reasons came from Freo people so you just never know!

He's on over 1mil a year.

[Travis Boots 157]

Im almost certain this is not the case. Early talk was that it was a massive contract but remember reading it was nowhere near that. Will try to find some info on if possible

[Bonkers 994]

http://m.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/lyon-fends-off-criticism-of-new-role-20110916-1kd9v.html

Taken from the article:

"Lyon said he was in the business of trying to win premierships but would not comment on reports that he would become the AFL's highest paid coach and earn up to $1.5 million per year at Fremantle."

Why would he leave the Saints, burn his manager & players just to earn the same amount he was on at the Saints ?

[Sir Why You Little 36,990]

http://m.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/lyon-fends-off-criticism-of-new-role-20110916-1kd9v.html

Taken from the article:

"Lyon said he was in the business of trying to win premierships but would not comment on reports that he would become the AFL's highest paid coach and earn up to $1.5 million per year at Fremantle."

Why would he leave the Saints, burn his manager & players just to earn the same amount he was on at the Saints ?

Bankrolled by W.A. Mining deals i have heard.

On huge coin. He won't leave.

[Little Richard 6,262]

http://m.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/lyon-fends-off-criticism-of-new-role-20110916-1kd9v.html

Taken from the article:

"Lyon said he was in the business of trying to win premierships but would not comment on reports that he would become the AFL's highest paid coach and earn up to $1.5 million per year at Fremantle."

Why would he leave the Saints, burn his manager & players just to earn the same amount he was on at the Saints ?

At least part of the reason was because the Saints were/are a sinking ship. Look at their list - all older players, no doubt great quality but age is beginning to sink them.

They went for older recruits during that period and as a result they don't have a good pedigree of young guys coming through. The Saints will be in dire straights in a few years and Ross got off at the right time.

[Bonkers 994]

At least part of the reason was because the Saints were/are a sinking ship. Look at their list - all older players, no doubt great quality but age is beginning to sink them.

They went for older recruits during that period and as a result they don't have a good pedigree of young guys coming through. The Saints will be in dire straights in a few years and Ross got off at the right time.

Agree with all of the above. I believe Lyon wasn't that happy about a diminished role in list management after Pelchen had arrived also.

[Wormburner 674]

Can someone give a run down on the Roos saga if anything else gets mention on The Couch?

cheers

Sorry DD, nothing said or mentioned about the coaching position tonight.

The weekends match got about 2 seconds of air time - they just discussed Zorko's goal.