WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - PAUL ROOS

[pantaloons 2,019]

So?

Leigh is a competitive animal - with the emphasis on animal. Is Roos?

I'm not convinced he is. He played for Sydney and then coached them. I think his passion lies in that club. Not the game, not coaching, not us.

Matthews is competitive generally.

I think they are different on this dimension.

The more I think about it the more I want Williams or Craig only.

You don't think Roos is competitive enough? Played more games than most players in history and broke the longest premiership drought in league history as coach. So we're probably not going to agree on this. He's certainly not the certifiable nut job Blight is so don't worry that he will completely lose the plot and flake out on us.

Williams is my next preference, so I'm fine with that. Craig on the other hand - no way.

[rpfc 28,244]

One thing to remember: ironically due to us poaching Neeld on the eve of a GF the AFL now has a rule where contracted people can't have interviews with other clubs.

Mentioned by Whateley to Jackson in an interview on the weekend. Jackson didn't seem aware of the stipulation which doesn't surprise me as I didn't know and I live for stipulations.

Essentially it gives a great deal of time to 'work on' Roos if Jackson so wishes.

[Ted Lasso 19,223]

From what I have seen and read I think we will be coached by Roos next year, having said that I would prefer Williams if Roos isn't passionate about taking on the challenge, either way it's great to see Jackson being honest and assessing our need for an experienced coach, the wheel might finally be turning for us.

[Redleg 40,782]

If Roos passes, Williams will jump at it, if we offer it to him.

[McQueen 17,864]

Michael Voss may have saved his job tonight

Might be one less team looking for a coach in 2014

If Roos said he wanted to coach Brisbane next year he would be there. Voss winning games would be similar to Harvey at the Dockers a couple of years ago. He can only take them so far...

[angrydee 842]

I have a bucket full of chicken entrails and many cups and mugs with tea leaves at the bottom. If anybody wants to read them-just ask.

[Adam The God 30,090]

So?

Leigh is a competitive animal - with the emphasis on animal. Is Roos?

I'm not convinced he is. He played for Sydney and then coached them. I think his passion lies in that club. Not the game, not coaching, not us.

Matthews is competitive generally.

I think they are different on this dimension.

The more I think about it the more I want Williams or Craig only.

I'm intrigued, Tim. Would your view on Roos have been different had he publicly accepted already?

See, I think it could all still be smoke and mirrors. We've really no idea what's going on behind the scenes here. For argument's sake, Roos may well have accepted as soon as Jackson approached him. Jackson may not be keen on having a dead chook sitting in the coaches chair for the next 10 weeks and so has decided to hold off on declaring Roos coach until after the new board and president are officially unveiled.

I'm putting this out there because I too have a slight reservation about Roos' commitment. It may well have been put to rest had he come out straight away and said I'll take the job. Ultimately though, we can't possibly know his inner workings at this stage.

[Adam The God 30,090]

If Roos passes, Williams will jump at it, if we offer it to him.

Sorry, did I miss something, Red? Is this a quote?

[angrydee 842]

All will be known in the fullness of time. A brave decision will be made and the (hopefully first) chosen one will ascend to the coaching throne and drink from what has been a poisoned chalice.

Hopefully,in this case, it will be the elixir of success.

[Guest Wolf]

I'd like to see Neil Craig get the job if the team lifts for the remainder of the season. Or, if he doesn't get the nod, he should at least fulfil his contractual commitments rather than being payed. If Paul Roos is not successfully recruited, then other top candidates that are not widely talked about in this forum include Malcolm Blight as he's proven and is doing some great mentoring now at the Gold Coast; and Gary Ayers, given he's a premiership player, coached at AFL level for about a decade and recently had great coaching success at VFL level.

[DemonOX 8,779]

I'd like to see Neil Craig get the job if the team lifts for the remainder of the season. Or, if he doesn't get the nod, he should at least fulfil his contractual commitments rather than being payed. If Paul Roos is not successfully recruited, then other top candidates that are not widely talked about in this forum include Malcolm Blight as he's proven and is doing some great mentoring now at the Gold Coast; and Gary Ayers, given he's a premiership player, coached at AFL level for about a decade and recently had great coaching success at VFL level.

If Roos is a no go Wolf then Williams trumps both of the ones you have suggested as he has coached a team to the ultimate.

Williams for mine if no Roos

[timD 994]

You don't think Roos is competitive enough? Played more games than most players in history and broke the longest premiership drought in league history as coach. So we're probably not going to agree on this. He's certainly not the certifiable nut job Blight is so don't worry that he will completely lose the plot and flake out on us.

Williams is my next preference, so I'm fine with that. Craig on the other hand - no way.

No I don't think he is competitive enough, and if he is, he sounds uninterested in coaching generally and in us particularly.

I'm not concerned that he is mad but rather that when things get tough he will just leave - sign on for two years, get paid heaps, do an ok job and wonder off. His commentary about footy is largely uninspiring and I wonder really how much attention he actually pays.

He has a very good record at a very good club. I think he loves that club more than anything. He competes for that club. Mathews, Williams, Eade, Craig have all shown a love for the game and a passion for footy people and players for a long time and to a greater degree across situations/clubs.

Again, if it is passion that is necessary (but not sufficient) I just do not see it in Roos at all. I see irritation and he sounds tired all the time.

Out of interest, why not Craig?

[beelzebub 23,312]

If Roos passes, Williams will jump at it, if we offer it to him.

i really want whomever to be thoroughly enthusiastic about it. There will be a lot of money splashed but I dont want it about the money, In the end its nothing about the money and all about the challenge.

In a crude way I want the incoming to tear this club a new one ; in the sense i want the players to not know whats him them. Not so much in a nasty way I just want the sheer professionalism and top shelf impetus to hit hem squarely in the guts.

i.e This is how we play football...this is how you ( players ) WILL play football.

[Gorgoroth 12,911]

Think back to Roos as a player and Sydney coach, he is a very calm measured person, he never was overly emotional.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

No I don't think he is competitive enough, and if he is, he sounds uninterested in coaching generally and in us particularly.

Ross Lyon sounds like he's asleep half the time. He is the least passionate looking human being I have ever seen. He quite literally seems bored to death, and when I listen to him talk I often find myself drifting off to sleep.

Ross Lyon is also a gun coach, and learnt from Roos.

Don't mistake his demeanour in the media for what he really is.

Roos would never move his entire family and sacrifice his personal life unless he was truly passionate about the idea of coaching us. Which is why, if he signs on, I'd be thrilled and not have a single worry in my mind that he's primed for the job.

He also wouldn't be signed for anything less than 4-5 years IMO.

If all that was motivating him was money, he'd have already signed on the dotted line.

[timD 994]

Ross Lyon sounds like he's asleep half the time. He is the least passionate looking human being I have ever seen. He quite literally seems bored to death, and when I listen to him talk I often find myself drifting off to sleep.

Ross Lyon is also a gun coach, and learnt from Roos.

Don't mistake his demeanour in the media for what he really is.

Roos would never move his entire family and sacrifice his personal life unless he was truly passionate about the idea of coaching us. Which is why, if he signs on, I'd be thrilled and not have a single worry in my mind that he's primed for the job.

He also wouldn't be signed for anything less than 4-5 years IMO.

If all that was motivating him was money, he'd have already signed on the dotted line.

Ross lyon has already demonstrated a commitment to more than one club. Roos has not. Lyon has demonstrated a willingness to move away from the club he loved. Roos has not.

Don't take one thing in isolation. Add them up. He loved the Swans. Played there ages. Coached there. Wanted by the players there. Left, burnt out and appears to not want to coach again. Appears on TV with...variable analysis regularly - as if he is not paying attention. Why? Perhaps because life is easy and that is how he wants it?

Compare that to Lyon - coached at several clubs, shown the ability and want to bond with (and shape) different groups, actively pursued opportunities. Ruthless, competitive, hard in how he operates. Just on their observed behaviour, Lyon is more driven, passionate and competitive.

Now let us be REALLY clear that all we have to make decisions off is observed behaviour. Who actually sounds like they want the job? Who behaves as if they love coaching and could transfer their emotionality to bond with a damaged group? Sure Roos is smart and can coach. Who cares? Beyond that basic application criteria, what are key characteristics? Does he want it and is he motivated to do the work - the emotional, interpersonal work - of a senior coach? We all saw Neeld butcher his initial bonding with the group. We want someone keen to get in there with them and lead them in equal measure. So who comes across as someone who wants to do that?

I've seen and heard nothing positive re: Roos on that front at all. Now, I'm sure I have less than 1% of the relevant info. So , as we all assess applicants, keep in mind what qualities they must have. Caring and leading are two and to do them you must be competitive and engaged. If Roos shows that, then great. Right now he's shown squat and 'Land sounds desperate - like a nerdy kids hoping for a look in with the school hottie, ignoring that the school hottie is, well, just not that into us.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I wonder about Craig's comment - that a coach needs the passion to do this. Now, if drive, passion and commitment are key (but not the only) indicators we need - they are necessary but not sufficient - then I'd rule Roos out now and move on. He is Malcolm Blight. Thanks but no thanks.

based on what exactly?

[dee-luded 2,959]

So?

Leigh is a competitive animal - with the emphasis on animal. Is Roos?

I'm not convinced he is. He played for Sydney and then coached them. I think his passion lies in that club. Not the game, not coaching, not us.

Matthews is competitive generally.

I think they are different on this dimension.

The more I think about it the more I want Williams or Craig only.

Leigh is a competitive animal - this, is what we want our players to imitate & become.

Matthews is a competitive General ly.

[rpfc 28,244]

Right now he's shown squat and 'Land sounds desperate - like a nerdy kids hoping for a look in with the school hottie, ignoring that the school hottie is, well, just not that into us.

lol

Interesting analogy.

I have made a similar point and I agree with what you say but the enviroment of hiring a new coach has changed - we cannot interview anyone contracted elsewhere until their season has finished.

This really gives Jackson the leg-room to delay until the end of the season and that means that Roos has time to make a decision.

Maybe he just realises that? And that is why he isn't considering it at the moment?

It's all supposition...but I agree with you and Craig; passion is pre-requisite for a coach.

I don't want to be Blight-ed.

Especially if it involves Grant Thomas taking over as caretaker, being involved in the process for his successor and effectively selecting himself...

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

lol

Interesting analogy.

I have made a similar point and I agree with what you say but the enviroment of hiring a new coach has changed - we cannot interview anyone contracted elsewhere until their season has finished.

This really gives Jackson the leg-room to delay until the end of the season and that means that Roos has time to make a decision.

Maybe he just realises that? And that is why he isn't considering it at the moment?

It's all supposition...but I agree with you and Craig; passion is pre-requisite for a coach.

I don't want to be Blight-ed.

Especially if it involves Grant Thomas taking over as caretaker, being involved in the process for his successor and effectively selecting himself...

This is all very true, except Roos will not take the job unless his heart is in it. There is no chance that we will be Blighted

Roos is seriously considering his future, if his heart is in it, and his wife is happy to move to Melbourne, he will coach us next season. If it is not, someone else will get the job.

People need to stop expecting any further short term movement on this issue. Roos will make his decision over the coming months, he will not make a decision while the club is restructuring, has no president, and an unconfirmed board. People need to settle down, take a deep breath and let things take there course.

[rpfc 28,244]

People need to stop expecting any further short term movement on this issue. Roos will make his decision over the coming months, he will not make a decision while the club is restructuring, has no president, and an unconfirmed board. People need to settle down, take a deep breath and let things take there course.

Yes, I have no inside knowledge but this is going to drag out. I mean we can't even talk to any of our 'fallbacks' for at least 9 weeks.

[angrydee 842]

I actually have some faith that we will end up with a good coach.

Re Roos - he was a passionate Fitzroy player who was basically sold to the swans and initially didn't want to go. This was during the period that Fitzroy had to get rid of Pert, Roos, Lynch etc so they could pay some bills. Lynch was the only one to willingly go - the first multi-million dollar contract (albeit over 10 years).

Roos ended up doing pretty well for his new club after initial doubts.

Hopefully it can happen again. Although he is not my first choice, I have no problems with his being given the job.

[Redleg 40,782]

Sorry, did I miss something, Red? Is this a quote?

Yes, mine.

[bing181 9,193]

Don't mistake his demeanour in the media for what he really is.

Unless you're Mark Neeld.

[Lordweaver 235]

Gut feel:

Roos is a done deal, just finer details.

He's going to wait as long as possible before accepting so his son can focus on his studies.

If he accepted it now, the media comes more onto him and the family, and it would most likely moving to Melb full time straight away.

I doubt a decision will be made until last few rounds of the season if not the end of the season.

Just what my gut is telling me.

My gut feel tells me tea is ready