AFL 'Player Ratings'

[Guest]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-26/official-player-ratings-are-coming

Anyone heard about these?

Another crock, or a legitimate thing? What do we reckon?

Personally, as I'm into the whole stats thing, I'm looking forward to seeing the rankings. That being said, I doubt statistical analysis will ever be able to truly reflect the ability of players and their contributions to their respective teams... Probably will just cause more debate and conspiracy theories etc.

Could be a good marketing tool for the top sides I guess; for us on the other hand....

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

I'm interested to see what they have to say and obviously which of our players they rate. The obvious question for me is about the now traditional loading in favour of mids. Do they have a system that factors this in and can give an reasonable statistics-based analysis of players in vastly different roles? Will they show any defenders in their top bracket?

[Guest]

I'm interested to see what they have to say and obviously which of our players they rate. The obvious question for me is about the now traditional loading in favour of mids. Do they have a system that factors this in and can give an reasonable statistics-based analysis of players in vastly different roles? Will they show any defenders in their top bracket?

You would hope so, otherwise it's just another version of Champion Data (Supercoach) and AFL Fantasy rankings

[What 18,810]

just another thing afl.com has copied from ESPN

remember when our game was Aussie rules, may as well call it American rules now

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

just another thing afl.com has copied from ESPN

remember when our game was Aussie rules, may as well call it American rules now

Funny, when it looked like Vlad may move on I was thinking how nice it would be to grab an executive from the NFL to run our comp.

[jnrmac 19,323]

You can be sure no Melbourne player will be worthy of a rating other than maybe Jones

The media always ignore us with things like this.

[Chook 14,613]

You can be sure no Melbourne player will be worthy of a rating other than maybe Jones

The media always ignore us with things like this.

This ranking system has nothing to do with the media; it's all numbers.

[Lifelong Demon 75]

Another way to prove an inexperienced side? "Our players only rate in the 100's, the other team has 7 80's, 5 30's and a 4!"

[jnrmac 19,323]

This ranking system has nothing to do with the media; it's all numbers.

We are crap at that as well. None of our players rack up decent numbers. We can't get our hands on the ball. ANd when we do we turn it over 50% of the time.

[Guest]

And the ratings (in all their ridiculousness) are here.

Here's Melbourne's:

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratings/overall-standings#club/CD_T90

Edited May 9, 2013 by Demonof1994

[Yossarian 1,808]

Complete and utter garbage.

[DemonWA 3,521]

i noteced that Watts is rated #13 of all defenders... interesting, seeing he is much maligned

[Grimseyisgod 378]

was just about to make a thread about this.

Proves what i have been saying.

This shows how good Colin Sylvia is, being named 60 and Jones 58.

Watts 106.

These rankings show how effective they are with ball in hand and how much they impact our score board. I know Watts this year hasnt been someone to bring the house down about but hes a star.

Sylvia will go up to top 40 by the end of the year as i can just see him lifting.

You cant argue with the player ratings.. im sorry, they are correct.

[DeeSpencer 23,481]

The fact that Watts is the 13th best defender when really he's closer to 13th best defender at Melbourne shows how screwed these are!

They clearly haven't been able to accurately record how many touches and what impact your opponent has or things like contests you stand and watch. It's the physical things that Watts doesn't do that can't be measured

[P-man 13,277]

5. Cyril Rioli

16. Daniel Wells

37. Shannon Hurn

Thank for posting this. I needed a chuckle.

[Grimseyisgod 378]

The fact that Watts is the 13th best defender when really he's closer to 13th best defender at Melbourne shows how screwed these are!

They clearly haven't been able to accurately record how many touches and what impact your opponent has or things like contests you stand and watch. It's the physical things that Watts doesn't do that can't be measured

Whats great about the rankings is that people like you have no comeback. The media and melbourne supporters have constantly been on Jack's back when really he is easily the most effective player with ball in hand on our team. Now Jack sometimes appears to not have put a full effort in. But he is a very good player and i think you need to not go in with such a negative attitude to when Watts plays

5. Cyril Rioli

16. Daniel Wells

37. Shannon Hurn

Thank for posting this. I needed a chuckle.

personallly these are abit iffy.

But Cyril and Daniel Wells's imapcts on games are quite significant. There has been more than a few times where Buddy is off his game and Cryil single handedly wins the Hawks the game.

If you dont think Wells deserves his position than you needd to watch some of North's games. He is an absolute star and one of the most effective players on the team. Id rather Wells than Swallow.

[Grimseyisgod 378]

just another thing afl.com has copied from ESPN

remember when our game was Aussie rules, may as well call it American rules now

not really.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

They've already shown themselves to be a farce. Look at the defender ratings and figure out where the best full backs and CHBs are. These are some of the best and most sought-after players in the competition, yet the ranking system does not have a mechanic to allow their abilities to be reflected in their position.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,205]

And the ratings (in all their ridiculousness) are here.

Here's Melbourne's:

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratings/overall-standings#club/CD_T90

As you said, ridiculous. How about Dean Kent listed as fast falling after one game as a sub!!!!!!

[praha 10,360]

Daniel Rich: 27

[thedirtydog24 18]

www.aflplayerratings.com.au is much better. Even provides comments on players in the state leagues.

Edited May 10, 2013 by thedirtydog24

[Scipio 5,868]

Luke Breust at 40? Wtf?

[angrydee 842]

Of course facts and figures that the afl and 18 clubs pay a fortune for are rubbish when compared to demonlanders' feelings and opinions.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

Of course facts and figures that the afl and 18 clubs pay a fortune for are rubbish when compared to demonlanders' feelings and opinions.

The problem is that they really are rubbish. As I've said before, there is no useful method in place to determine the value of defensive acts. As long as they continue to base their scoring system on possessions it is inherently flawed as it only measures half of the game. A spoil needs to be valued as highly as a mark. Effective blocks are worth every bit as much as a possession. What about the Jimmy Bartel tap-on last week that made a goal out of nothing? No stat recorded in any column, but he created a goal. Until they start adding things like these to their system it has very little relevance to the actual game.

[angrydee 842]

Under the champion data statistics 1%ers ARE given similar values to possessions. Don't get their figures confused with dream team rubbish