Training - Monday 28th January, 2013

[demonkeaney 61]

$21 on tom mcdonald to win the b&f for those interested

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

$21 on tom mcdonald to win the b&f for those interested

Every defensive forward from the other teams will be taking an interest in that

[old dee 24,001]

Just noticed Gawn has been placed on the Long Term injury list by the MFC.

Does not look good to me.

Seems to be very injury prone.

Will he play again for the MFC seniors?

[dazzledavey36 55,867]

To all the awesome people doing the reports on training good job.

Just wondering how the two rookies are going in start and clisby? haven't heard much

thanks

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

The 2 rookies Stark and Clisby both trained yesterday although Stark got pulled out of the last drill along with Jack Fitzpatrick and Jimmy Toumpas,. They (Stark and Clisby) didn't stand out for either good or bad reasons, which in itself is ok

I forgot I spoke to Jack Fitzpatrick in one of my earlier posts, he said you get pulled out of drills because of your training loads, he was actually a bit peeved coz he was enjoying training, but appreciates how professional everything is.now and the fitness staff know exactly what is happening to each player

Said hello to Stark whilst I was talking to Jimmy Toumpas, another smiler living the dream but built like a stick at the moment

Edit coz I got the rookie who got pulled wrong, if you will excuse the phrase

Edited January 29, 2013 by Satyriconhome

[Guest José Mourinho]

Just noticed Gawn has been placed on the Long Term injury list by the MFC.

Does not look good to me.

Seems to be very injury prone.

Will he play again for the MFC seniors?

Try not to be alarmist or anything...

[RalphiusMaximus 6,102]

Just noticed Gawn has been placed on the Long Term injury list by the MFC.

Does not look good to me.

Seems to be very injury prone.

Will he play again for the MFC seniors?

It probably means that his knee rehab won't be finished before round 8 or so, so they may as well make use of it to play a rookie.

[Bay Riffin 1,493]

It probably means that his knee rehab won't be finished before round 8 or so, so they may as well make use of it to play a rookie.

Geez thats a long rehab. from memory he did his knee prior to Christmas, so about 13 months ago. Being off till round 8 would make it almost a year and a half recovery.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Geez thats a long rehab. from memory he did his knee prior to Christmas, so about 13 months ago. Being off till round 8 would make it almost a year and a half recovery.

No, this is rehab for his hamstring injury which he suffered late last year. It is connected in some way to his knee, but with someone of that size I would imagine the club wants to be extra cautious.

[old dee 24,001]

No, this is rehab for his hamstring injury which he suffered late last year. It is connected in some way to his knee, but with someone of that size I would imagine the club wants to be extra cautious.

Or it is worse than they are letting on

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Or it is worse than they are letting on

He looked to be running a kicking freely at training yesterday.

[old dee 24,001]

He looked to be running a kicking freely at training yesterday.

So why is he on the LTIL?

[dpositive 1,818]

Just wanted to add thanks to all those providing reports and pics.

As others have stated Pics show a group with larger numbers having muscle definition than I can remember seeing previously. No stick insects. Even Watts appears to have more muscle.

Interested in all thoughts on the tackling. and observation from the pics is difficult but can the hip tackle become a trip if the tackled player goes down, Will the tackle be seen as a takeout tackle by the AFL if we become adept at it. The pics certainly seemed to indicate that the margin for error could be small. Have the AFL umpires we have had at training sactioned our technique?

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

So why is he on the LTIL?

Because they are being extra cautious with him as I already pointed out.

[rpfc 28,906]

Because they are being extra cautious with him as I already pointed out.

It seems pointless at this stage - I wonder if the new CBA allows for some added benefit for putting players on the LTIL.

[old dee 24,001]

Because they are being extra cautious with him as I already pointed out.

I am not disagreeing with you.

I just don't understand why he is on the LTIL.

If it was two weeks before the start of the season we could up grade someone

I am just struggling to see why he is now on the List.

What is the advantage?

Why not just have him in rehab

[Bossdog 2,002]

A very good point you raise about the tackles.....When I looked at the photos I though the same...

[rjay 25,304]

Just wanted to add thanks to all those providing reports and pics.

As others have stated Pics show a group with larger numbers having muscle definition than I can remember seeing previously. No stick insects. Even Watts appears to have more muscle.

Interested in all thoughts on the tackling. and observation from the pics is difficult but can the hip tackle become a trip if the tackled player goes down, Will the tackle be seen as a takeout tackle by the AFL if we become adept at it. The pics certainly seemed to indicate that the margin for error could be small. Have the AFL umpires we have had at training sactioned our technique?

The tackle needs to be above the knee which it is. Who knows how the AFL will rule on anything so at the moment I think it is a great approach to tackling that most AFL players don't do. By the way the AFL umpire was watching the tackling session closely to give advise on the technique.

The best technical tackle I have seen of the current day players is NikNat, if you watch him he always goes hard and low and takes his opponent out of the game. Given that he is taller than most he comes up against he never gives free kicks away for head high tackles and this has become a big issue. Remember our performance against WC last year and the amount of head highs we gave, it was embarrassing.

A lot of people, think you need to pin the arms in a tackle for the best result and have trained to achieve this. This is just not a practical idea as players have been lifting their arms in the tackle to give off since at least the 80's, Brett Lovett was a master. Todays players like Joel Selwood just slip the tackle and draw head high free's.

The idea is to put the shoulder in low and take the wind out of your opponent, take him to ground and put the ball into dispute. Part of the drill is to get up and back into the game and be a number at the next contest.

I think our new approach is right on the money and like a few things we are doing it is ahead of the game. Well done FD and Mark Neeld.

[Yossarian 1,820]

Isn't it a minimum 8 weeks to be on the long term injury list? Therefore putting him on now takes you through to March and allows a rookie upgrade at the start of the season if warranted. If they're being extra cautious as Clint says, which I agree with, then they weren't going to be playing him anyway and by doing it now we can upgrade a rookie and it doesn't exclude him from much of the season if he comes good.

[dpositive 1,818]

Thanks RJay I agree with all you have said and was pleased that the AFL umps were at sessions.

Hopeully If the tackle is well applied, even if arms are free it, will affect the efficiency of the disposal and result in a contested ball. the tackler should also have the momentum to recover for a second effort while the tackled and upset player will not be as quick to recover.

hope you are seeing this in real life training

[rjay 25,304]

Thanks RJay I agree with all you have said and was pleased that the AFL umps were at sessions.

Hopeully If the tackle is well applied, even if arms are free it, will affect the efficiency of the disposal and result in a contested ball. the tackler should also have the momentum to recover for a second effort while the tackled and upset player will not be as quick to recover.

hope you are seeing this in real life training

Hopefully a few of these guys will have the wind knocked out of them and the ones who still lift their arms as a reflex will learn not to if they keep getting a hard shoulder under the ribs enough times.

...but yeah this is what they're working on.

[The Big Ticket 94]

Just noticed Gawn has been placed on the Long Term injury list by the MFC.

Does not look good to me.

Seems to be very injury prone.

Will he play again for the MFC seniors?

That you Tim Flannery?

He's 207cm and just turned 21. He's safe for a while yet.

[Six6Six 1,507]

Thx for the reports and photos ppl

I loved the photos and couldn't help but notice there were NO STICK INSECTS, and did Jonesy get a free for the elbow to the neck from coach Craig. Great stuff.

Flemo56,

He didn't get a free, but on closer examination the coach is only offering a guiding hand on the shoulder.

[Hannibal 5,814]

I am not disagreeing with you.

I just don't understand why he is on the LTIL.

If it was two weeks before the start of the season we could up grade someone

I am just struggling to see why he is now on the List.

What is the advantage?

Why not just have him in rehab

Are you a perpetual worrier ? The guy is running laps at pace and kicking the footy. It's clearly a strategic decision of some sort.

Relax.

[bing181 9,424]

I am not disagreeing with you.

I just don't understand why he is on the LTIL.

Twitter comes to our aid here:

"Melbourne Footy ‏@MelbourneFooty

Although Max Gawn has been placed on the long-term injury list (hamstring), he is still expected to return early into the regular season."