THE WILSON FILE - the arrogance at the heart of the innuendo

[binman 38,730]

Not really one for the Wilson file but didn't want to bump the other thread about tanking allegation. Lets call it the Steven file:

Melbourne Demons sweat on tanking computer raid

Nothing new but made me laugh. Apparently the dees are sweating about an 'unprecedented computer raid'.

About two paragraphs down Steven notes the investigators are now looking at our files again after completing the review of the files and documents related to their other unprecedented computer raid - ie the Crows/Tippet investigation.

[Whispering_Jack 28,013]

It's worth keeping an eye on how this one pans out - Former staff photographer sues Age over 2002 Bali trauma

There could be some dividends on the possibility of a class action against the Age for trauma caused to Demon fans by Wilson and her poison pen.

[Pennant St Dee 11,346]

Not really one for the Wilson file but didn't want to bump the other thread about tanking allegation. Lets call it the Steven file:

Melbourne Demons sweat on tanking computer raid

Nothing new but made me laugh. Apparently the dees are sweating about an 'unprecedented computer raid'.

About two paragraphs down Steven notes the investigators are now looking at our files again after completing the review of the files and documents related to their other unprecedented computer raid - ie the Crows/Tippet investigation.

Killing time till the draft is done IMO not much esle for them to write about

Edited November 19, 2012 by Whispering_Jack

[H_T 2,941]

Firstly, this from the 'Message from the President' thread earlier in the year, where you contributed prior to McLardy being interviewed On the Couch: -

I'd like Paul Roos to ask McLardy two questions tonight.

1. How many applicants did MFC interview (full presentations) for the job for the senior coaching position. Was Sanderson one of them.

2. Why is it necessary for the club to go back to square one after 4 years of rebuilding under Bailey in light of the fact that the Stynes Board extended his contract in February 2010. If Bailey was the wrong coach why didn't they sack him before the 2010 season.

Apart from that I think a message was necessary but it should have said something enlightening rather than the predictable platitudes.

I look forward to OTC with interest.

A timely response from that thread: -

I'm sick of people with axes to grind continually rocking the boat

there is a time and place for grievances. public sniping and leaking is disloyalty

Looks like Roos and Sheahan liked my question Daisy and McLardy's response was damning.

Did you submit any other questions to the OTC team throughout the year? ie.Brocks brain fade moment?

Do you really think I have any influence over what happens at the MFC?

Enlighten us....

If we are "getting things to rights" now and are being investigated it's actually a perfect time to do what we need to do. I don't want to go through all this and then face more disruption later. If there needs to be change now is the perfect time - we can get it all over and done with and start afresh. This affair has tainted us whether we like it or not and that taint won't go unless there are changes in senior personnel.

You seem like you've been a busy bee. I hope you're not serving the queen bee?

There's been talk here of democracy. On the issue of determining whether certain people at the club should go, there is an AGM and you can nominate yourself for election rather than go underground and dob on the club to the media. It's that sort of thing we need to wipe out before anything else.

When it comes to a poor culture, infighting and political agenda's are a big part of it. You've spoken about this affair having tainted us.... That it has.

As for mismanagement within the club? That question will I guess be answered, but for now it's all systems go for the incumbent. And I dare say they'd be more efficient if they didn't have to put up with this sort of disturbance.

[sue 8,463]

in her latest article Tippett legal demand to be set free, Wilson has the following to say regarding Chris Judd and Visy:-

"There has been no suggestion that Carlton wrote to Visy to set up the deal."

For someone who is meant to be an investigative journalist she is shocking at missing the obvious - which is that Carlton's president at the time, Richard Pratt, was also in charge of Visy and that even now, Mrs. Pratt is the Vice President.

Surely, Wilson can add 2+2?

This is the last straw for me. I thought she had some credibility, but I won't believe a word she writes from now on (assuming I'm bothered to read it). She is either a fool, in thrall of someone at Carlton or trying to insert the 'suggestion' by the underhand method of saying no one has made it. Either way, she should hang her head in shame. Where is the Age editor?

[stinga81 210]

Not really one for the Wilson file but didn't want to bump the other thread about tanking allegation. Lets call it the Steven file:

Melbourne Demons sweat on tanking computer raid

Nothing new but made me laugh. Apparently the dees are sweating about an 'unprecedented computer raid'.

About two paragraphs down Steven notes the investigators are now looking at our files again after completing the review of the files and documents related to their other unprecedented computer raid - ie the Crows/Tippet investigation.

I'd be surprised if they found anything on computers.

Are they looking for "Tanking for Dummies" pdf or something.

[old dee 22,944]

Stinga silly things have happened.

I never cease to be amazed at what a lot of people commit to email.

Look at what people write on facebook and Tweeter.

Very clever business people have been caught out by sending emails.

The FD during was not full of rocket scientists in 2009 so don't be too confident.

[daisycutter 28,630]

I'd be surprised if they found anything on computers.

Are they looking for "Tanking for Dummies" pdf or something.

i'd guess they are looking for emails and medical reports

so much for personal confidentiality

[rpfc 27,570]

Stinga silly things have happened.

I never cease to be amazed at what a lot of people commit to email.

Look at what people write on facebook and Tweeter.

Very clever busisness people have been caught out by sending emails.

The FD during was not full of rocket scientists in 2009 some don't be too confident.

Unlike rorting the salary cap what we 'conspired' to do was within the rules.*

*Unless rules change retroactively.

[old dee 22,944]

Unlike rorting the salary cap what we 'conspired' to do was within the rules.*

*Unless rules change retroactively.

Perhaps I did not explain well rpfc

I was commenting on Stinga saying they won't find any evidence on computers.

I was suggesting that people often write silly things on email.

I was not commenting on our guilt or otherwise.

Simple because you or I would not make silly statements on email does not mean others would not.

Hope that makes sense

[rpfc 27,570]

Perhaps I did not explain well rpfc

I was commenting on Stinga saying they won't find any evidence on computers.

I was suggesting that people often write silly things on email.

I was not commenting on our guilt or otherwise.

Simple because you or I would not make silly statements on email does not mean others would not.

Hope that makes sense

What I am saying is that what they would find on a CC email is hardly as troublesome as a Trigg email.

One will stipulate the need to legally play kids, the other one will stipulate the need to illegally pay kids.

[binman 38,730]

Stinga silly things have happened.

I never cease to be amazed at what a lot of people commit to email.

Look at what people write on facebook and Tweeter.

Very clever business people have been caught out by sending emails.

The FD during was not full of rocket scientists in 2009 so don't be too confident.

You might be right Old dee, what's that's saying about not going wrong underestimating the intelligence of people?

But as i have posted before CW suggests that the IT people went into the club in October. Let's say for arguments sake it was mid October, that's nearly six weeks, perhaps linger. Seriously, given they are presumably just searching fro incriminating emails and documents (as opposed to some super encrypted secret tanking file that only the greatest tech minds could unlock) surely they would have found something by now.

I mean how long does it take to do a document search? Even it meant someone actually reading through all the emails from key (or even peripheral) staff that were sent from the club in 2009, surely to goodness it would be completed by now. How many could there feasibly be?

Edited November 20, 2012 by binman

[old dee 22,944]

You might be right Old dee, what's that's saying about not going wrong underestimating the intelligence of people?

But as i have posted before CW suggests that the IT people went into the club in October. Let's say for arguments sake it was mid October, that's nearly six weeks, perhaps linger. Seriously, given they are presumably just searching fro incriminating emails and documents (as opposed to some super encrypted secret tanking file that only the greatest tech minds could unlock) surely they would have found something by now.

I mean how long does it take to do a document search? Even it meant someone actually reading through all the emails from key (or even peripheral) staff that were sent from the club in 2009, surely to goodness it would be completed by now. How many could there feasibly be?

I don't disagree with you binman.

Experience has shown me humans often do dumb things.

And the MFC is made up of humans

I will believe we are home free when the AFL comes out and says so until then I am on edge.

[stinga81 210]

Stinga silly things have happened.

I never cease to be amazed at what a lot of people commit to email.

Look at what people write on facebook and Tweeter.

Very clever business people have been caught out by sending emails.

The FD during was not full of rocket scientists in 2009 so don't be too confident.

You're right Old Dee, you'd have to be silly, so therefore I'm not putting it past the 2009 FD!

[rpfc 27,570]

in her latest article Tippett legal demand to be set free, Wilson has the following to say regarding Chris Judd and Visy:-

"There has been no suggestion that Carlton wrote to Visy to set up the deal."

How she can write this I have no idea.

And it is such a strange sentence as to give her an 'out' if anyone calls on her on it.

'Suggested' by who? Who has 'not suggested' anything?

'Wrote to VISY'? So they can have chats with their leadership privately? It certainly would be easy - the people that ran Carlton were the same people that ran VISY!

'Oh, but they didn't write anything down, rpfc! Something is only 'conspired' if people write or type things down! And use a mailing service!'

God I am sick of the footy media.

[binman 38,730]

I don't disagree with you binman.

Experience has shown me humans often do dumb things.

And the MFC is made up of humans

I will believe we are home free when the AFL comes out and says so until then I am on edge.

Fair call old dee. I'll sometimes receive an email that has been forwarded which has a long chain of other emails in it. Its amazing what can be in the emails buried several below the first one.

I wonder what Fans's reaction would be if an incriminating email was found sent from a key FD staffer?

[hoopla 418]

I don't disagree with you binman.

Experience has shown me humans often do dumb things.

And the MFC is made up of humans

I will believe we are home free when the AFL comes out and says so until then I am on edge.

Got to say that this puts me on edge too. It would be amazing if something potentially incriminating hasn't hit the airwaves - even if only as an extension of Connolly's sense of humour.

Surely the AFL wouldn't still be going ( with no completion date in sight) if they didn't think they had a chance of nailing us.

[old dee 22,944]

Fair call old dee. I'll sometimes receive an email that has been forwarded which has a long chain of other emails in it. Its amazing what can be in the emails buried several below the first one.

I wonder what Fans's reaction would be if an incriminating email was found sent from a key FD staffer?

I don't think we need to be rocket scientists to work that one out binman

[old dee 22,944]

Got to say that this puts me on edge too. It would be amazing if something potentially incriminating hasn't hit the airwaves - even if only as an extension of Connolly's sense of humour.

Surely the AFL wouldn't still be going ( with no completion date in sight) if they didn't think they had a chance of nailing us.

I am hanging my hat on the fact that they do not want to be caught out down the track because they missed something that surfaces after they finish.

So they will take their time.

Also I think they are probably a bit busy at present on other things.

Well that is my hope and I am clinging to it.

[loges 6,132]

I am hanging my hat on the fact that they do not want to be caught out down the track because they missed something that surfaces after they finish.

So they will take their time.

Also I think they are probably a bit busy at present on other things.

Well that is my hope and I am clinging to it.

Perhaps they are struggling to find anything definitive

[old dee 22,944]

Perhaps they are struggling to find anything definitive

You sweet talker you

[dee-luded 2,958]

i'd guess they are looking for emails and medical reports

so much for personal confidentiality

I think they want to penalise us, to placate the rest of the AFL supporters re the priority pick, & to exonerate vlad & anderson in the eyes of the public.

But they don't want to open up a pandoras box, so are looking for enough dirt to get our admins to except a prescribed punishment, with out a fight.

They don't want us to take it to court & open up a wider investigation AFL wide.

They want us to Lay down, as I'm sure they expected us to do.

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Now we see this going on > http://www.news.com....k-1226519884959

ANOTHER 15 Carlton players were paid by Visy this year to be environmental ambassadors.

AFL to meet with unhappy Judd

Just days after the AFL demanded Chris Judd's third-party payments by Visy must be included in the club's salary cap, it was uncovered yesterday that other players were paid to be part of the "Enviromaniacs" program.

The deals centred around attending school clinics to promote Visy's message.

They are employment agreements approved by the AFL and there is no suggestion they constitute salary cap cheating.

One player agent last night downplayed the roles, saying the players were paid "chicken feed" and that Judd's deal was totally unrelated to the others.

The AFL last night assured the Herald Sun the deals did not break salary cap rules.

Carlton officials were not available for comment.

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Do Car'ton lay down? Do the Bombers lay down? Do the pies lay down?

Edited November 20, 2012 by dee-luded

[Sir Why You Little 34,647]

No one is going to lie down.

[old dee 22,944]

No one is going to lie down.

Well I hope not!

We have been [censored] for too long.

Fight to the bitter end is my strategy.

But what if they do find something?

[daisycutter 28,630]

If they investigate the other clubs for 'tanking' just as intensely as the MFC the inquiries would go on for 5 or more years

So what is their strategy?

[a] no case to answer, change some draft rules (lottery) hope it blows away

case to answer, token agreed penalties

[c] case to answer, come down heavy, mfc lawyers get involved, [censored] fight ensues, media love it

[d] case to answer, inquiry expanded to any/all AFL clubs, bad for everyone (but at least fairer)

I'd like to believe [a] but it does seem to be escalating. Can't believe they would go for [d] at least not to same intensity

If it was would you like to bend over and cop it. I wouldn't

[c] would seem a lose/lose situation and disastrous for us even if we came through on top