We lose pick 13

[H_T 3,042]

Because many believe the compo StKilda will be given is a first round pick that will fall after their current pick which is at 12. Meaning ours will slide to 14.

[Carlos Danger 380]

You need to get rid of your 2010 calendar mate...

A player producing less than expected in an under-performing side isn't entirely indicative.

Goddard will thrive in 2013, bank on it.

[DeeZee 7,356]

Because many believe the compo StKilda will be given is a first round pick that will fall after their current pick which is at 12. Meaning ours will slide to 14.

Thats right.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,559]

The saints want a first round compo pick - they may not get it as others have said because the compensation isnt decided until the end of the free agency period and more importantly a 28 year old would hardly be first round would he?? Even if he was a gun in the past (and even though Jordie basically negated his influence for an entire game)

[stuie 7,374]

A player producing less than expected in an under-performing side isn't entirely indicative.

Goddard will thrive in 2013, bank on it.

Cos Essendon didn't under perform this year.....??!

[45HG 1,539]

Oh, is that the point. Ok then.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

You have got it nailed there H_T

Anywhere in sport you like to check free agency means the powerful stay powerful and the weak stay down.

The only saving grace is the AFL does have a Salary cap.

Even with this saver it makes the job of the clubs like the MFC much harder.

Our drafting over the next couple of years is going to be critical to the very survival of the MFC.

If we are still in the bottom half dozen in 2015 we are doomed to be an also ran for as long as we survive after that time.

Poor drafting like the last ten years will IMO see the end of the club around the end of this decade.

how are you guys just coming to this conclusion now? ive been saying this since FA was first announced. That announcement was the nail in the coffin of the concept of an even competition. SInce , ive been gobsmacked at peoples failure to see what this was going to do. SOme people even think it will be good for the weaker clubs. smell the roses guys.

[Sir Why You Little 36,761]

how are you guys just coming to this conclusion now? ive been saying this since FA was first announced. That announcement was the nail in the coffin of the concept of an even competition. SInce , ive been gobsmacked at peoples failure to see what this was going to do. SOme people even think it will be good for the weaker clubs. smell the roses guys.

it will be better. The MFC has got to wake up and become fully professional like other clubs have been for years.

No longer can we take a soft option.

I just sent the club close to a grand.

Use it wisely...

[monoccular 17,359]

So I am also confused.

Is the FA compensation determined by an objective formula based on measurable criteria, or is it some sort of subjective judgement by Vlad and Anderson?

[old dee 23,560]

how are you guys just coming to this conclusion now? ive been saying this since FA was first announced. That announcement was the nail in the coffin of the concept of an even competition. SInce , ive been gobsmacked at peoples failure to see what this was going to do. SOme people even think it will be good for the weaker clubs. smell the roses guys.

Munga If you check my posts on the subject you will find that I have been saying this for some time.

Also check wyl posts I think he was the first to raise the FA problem on Demonland.

Other wise we are in agreement.

[old dee 23,560]

So I am also confused.

Is the FA compensation determined by an objective formula based on measurable criteria, or is it some sort of subjective judgement by Vlad and Anderson?

Second one monoccular.

Same people and formula that worked out Scully was worth 2 picks Ward from the dogs only one.

This years results show we lucked in seriously

[Sir Why You Little 36,761]

Munga If you check my posts on the subject you will find that I have been saying this for some time.

Also check wyl posts I think he was the first to raise the FA problem on Demonland.

Other wise we are in agreement.

we have had years to plan for this, which is why the drafting over the last 5 years baffles me totally.

[Whispering_Jack 29,370]

St. Kilda will probably finish with pick 13 if it does no recruiting of its own through free agency. If the Saints pick up a couple of FA's the situation will change.

[old dee 23,560]

I am not sure I care all that much if we have pick 13 or 14

After the last ten years

It is what you do with the pick that is more important

[Guest bluey]

That's ok, we can swap Martin for both their first rounders.

[Pennant St Dee 12,811]

I am not sure I care all that much if we have pick 13 or 14

After the last ten years

It is what you do with the pick that is more important

+ 1

[Dr. Mubutu 784]

sure it could be, but it will squeeze out other players at the other end.

The Salary Cap limits must be watched very closely by the AFL.

Nah. Heaps of posters on here want the 'Moneyball' approach; let's take it to its obvious conclusion!

[Tony Tea 2,806]

Can the compensation picks be activated this year?

[Tony Tea 2,806]

I am not sure I care all that much if we have pick 13 or 14

After the last ten years

It is what you do with the pick that is more important

I agree with you in essence, OD, but since we are cursed Melbourne I would expect St Kilda to pick up the next Judd with the pick before ours.

[45HG 1,539]

I agree with you in essence, OD, but since we are cursed Melbourne I would expect St Kilda to pick up the next Judd with the pick before ours.

Because St Kilda are blessed...

[Sir Why You Little 36,761]

Nah. Heaps of posters on here want the 'Moneyball' approach; let's take it to its obvious conclusion!

you may be right. we are going to have to throw $$$ at players to come to MFC for the next few years.

[praha 11,222]

What I don't like about FA is that, it seems, the Bombers get Goddard without surrendering anything.

If it wasn't like that it wouldn't be free agency..

[Tony Tea 2,806]

Because St Kilda are blessed...

The Battle of the Blighted. (Literally, in one aspect.)

[45HG 1,539]

If it wasn't like that it wouldn't be free agency..

And I would like it more.

It appears I've struck a nerve with a few posters with that post.

I was a bit distracted and probably didn't clarify myself properly.

What I meant was that, I hadn't fully appreciated the extent of where FA could lead - that a club can claim a player without giving anything up. It just doesn't sit right with me - there seemed to be at least some element of fairness in trading (although there were the obvious downsides).

I suppose I'll just have to get used to it but, for now, seeing Essendon land a player like Goddard without having to sacrifice anything just feels so, so wrong.

[rpfc 28,084]

And I would like it more.

It appears I've struck a nerve with a few posters with that post.

I was a bit distracted and probably didn't clarify myself properly.

What I meant was that, I hadn't fully appreciated the extent of where FA could lead - that a club can claim a player without giving anything up. It just doesn't sit right with me - there seemed to be at least some element of fairness in trading (although there were the obvious downsides).

I suppose I'll just have to get used to it but, for now, seeing Essendon land a player like Goddard without having to sacrifice anything just feels so, so wrong.

For a club to sacrifice something other than cap space would put a roadblock to getting the deal done.

Hence, it wouldn't be 'free' for the players.

And $750k a year for 4 years is it's own vice, 45.

Goddard and Watson are good but can they and Stanton carry that midfield with about 1/5 of the cap?