FAREWELL JARED RIVERS

[Jack Jack 415]

Not to mention, coupled with Moloney leaving, we could even accrue enough FA points for an after-1st-round-pick as compensation >> anyone interested in securing pick 5??

I've mentioned this on another thread, but where does it say that FA points are totalled or that our FA movements will net 1 pick?

[rpfc 28,927]

I've mentioned this on another thread, but where does it say that FA points are totalled or that our FA movements will net 1 pick?

Andersen has said they are using a points system and alot of assumptions have been made henceforth.

I don't think anyone knows exactly what will happen until it happens.

[Tatu 416]

Rivers is an underrated player..... He'll look a lot better at the cats...... The Geelong players and culture, will lift Rivers to new heights in the game.... His solid player and it will seem that he has improved his game, but really it will be the new culture and new start that improves his game.... Much like the Josh Gibson transformation, from north too the hawks....

He's not a devastating loss for us..... But he'll be great gain for the cats....

[Jack Jack 415]

Andersen has said they are using a points system and alot of assumptions have been made henceforth.

I don't think anyone knows exactly what will happen until it happens.

Yeah fair enough. I don't believe teams will only get one pick. It just seems like another absurd trade scenario to me ie trade 16 spuds and get an A grader. I reckon the top comp will be almost as rare as rocking horse poo and I don't think the AFL would want to dilute the first round anymore than it has to.

Most likely is with teams gaining and losing FA's we'll see a heap of 2nd/3rd round picks, multiple picks to some teams.

[rpfc 28,927]

Yeah fair enough. I don't believe teams will only get one pick. It just seems like another absurd trade scenario to me ie trade 16 spuds and get an A grader. I reckon the top comp will be almost as rare as rocking horse poo and I don't think the AFL would want to dilute the first round anymore than it has to.

Most likely is with teams gaining and losing FA's we'll see a heap of 2nd/3rd round picks, multiple picks to some teams.

I have elaborated on this in various threads but I think a team will get a pick for every net player they lose, according to their 'points.' so if we lose two players and only gain Byrnes we will get one pick to the points left over. If we lose 3 players we will get 2 picks according to the points left over (probably split in half as evenly as possible).

Again, I don't think we will know exactly how it works until it happens. Another half-arsed effort by the AFL IMO.

[Jack Jack 415]

I have elaborated on this in various threads but I think a team will get a pick for every net player they lose, according to their 'points.' so if we lose two players and only gain Byrnes we will get one pick to the points left over. If we lose 3 players we will get 2 picks according to the points left over (probably split in half as evenly as possible).

Again, I don't think we will know exactly how it works until it happens. Another half-arsed effort by the AFL IMO.

That makes sense, but it's probably not convoluted enough for the AFL HQ.

I wonder if they'll use Mike's top 50 as a ready reckoner?

[Redleg 41,962]

I have elaborated on this in various threads but I think a team will get a pick for every net player they lose, according to their 'points.' so if we lose two players and only gain Byrnes we will get one pick to the points left over. If we lose 3 players we will get 2 picks according to the points left over (probably split in half as evenly as possible).

Again, I don't think we will know exactly how it works until it happens. Another half-arsed effort by the AFL IMO.

Disagree. The way I read it is that the AFL will add your players gained and deduct your players lost points and if you are in debit, you get a pick to best represent that total.

I could only see you getting more than 1 pick, if for example you lost 2 star players to high offers and you gained no one.

[45HG 1,559]

That makes sense, but it's probably not convoluted enough for the AFL HQ.

I wonder if they'll use Mike's top 50 as a ready reckoner?

Maybe Mike will need to increase his ratings to a top 700?

[rpfc 28,927]

Disagree. The way I read it is that the AFL will add your players gained and deduct your players lost points and if you are in debit, you get a pick to best represent that total.

I could only see you getting more than 1 pick, if for example you lost 2 star players to high offers and you gained no one.

That's another option and while minimises the picks given it concentrates the compensation more than the way mine does.

If we lose Bate, Moloney, and Rivers we should get two middling picks and not one good pick.

I also think that a 'pick' should be seen as a replacement of a player and that is why I would give as many picks as a team 'net lost' in FA.

I guess we will find out...

[Little Richard 6,265]

Maybe Mike will need to increase his ratings to a top 700?

Wonder how many guys we'd have in the top 650?

[45HG 1,559]

If a few middle players can add together to equal a "good pick" we'll have to revisit a whole heap of "rubbish trades" suggested by D'landers over the years.

Petterd, Bate, Dunn, Bennell, Jurrah and Pick 52 for Tippett?

[45HG 1,559]

Wonder how many guys we'd have in the top 650?

I shied away from including that in my post, lest I brought about an old argument...

[Redleg 41,962]

I guess we will find out...

Agree.

[Jack Jack 415]

Disagree. The way I read it is that the AFL will add your players gained and deduct your players lost points and if you are in debit, you get a pick to best represent that total.

I could only see you getting more than 1 pick, if for example you lost 2 star players to high offers and you gained no one.

I guess with the lack of definitive information the AFL has provided means all scenarios are possible. One of problems I have with rolling all FA points into one pick is that it would disadvantage the finalists too much. If a finalist was to lose several band 2 compensation players and received a band 1 compo pick, they'd basically be sacrificing 2 picks to move up only a couple of positions. The numbers are already skewed for finalists, particularly the top 4 odd teams who's band 1 (first round pick after their normal selection) and band 2 compensation (end of first round) are basically the same.

Free Agency came about to help player movement. By handing out more lesser compensation picks gives clubs flexibility to do more trades and facilitate player movement.

[old dee 24,004]

Wonder how many guys we'd have in the top 650?

About 10 the other 30 should be playing the SANFL, WAFL and the VFL

[pantaloons 2,019]

This is a day old so I don't know if it came up elsewhere, but...

http://boundforglorynews.com/?p=1147

Under the heading 'Rivers to become a Cat'. I don't know how reputable the source is, but Rohan Connolly pumps up their tyres on twitter. A bit of a lol beginning the article with 'Melbourne's hellish season continues'. While it'll be sad if he goes, we'll be compensated, and if we had been dead keen to keep him, he wouldn't have been in the death row 11 who werent getting their contracts renewed until after the season, as leaked to the paper in August.

[dee-luded 2,959]

JT I think JR is exploring the options he is most likely looking at his last contract so he needs the largest salary he can get and able to play in finals if possible.

If he cannot get to a good side for better or similar money to the MFc . He will probably take the money and run.

If that happens to be Brisbane good for him.

They will go close to the eight next year.

If he got there with a sizable pay increase he would be far better off the staying at the MFC.

The MFc will again struggle in 2013, if it comes down to Port with a sizable salary increase he is still better off and they will still probably finish higher then the MFC.

I like Riv, If he wants success before he finishes, I hope he goes to either The Hawks, Lions, Cats, Swans or Crows. Where ever he fits best.

If he cant get a go at one of these clubs, maybe he'll stay home.

[Chelly 844]

This is a day old so I don't know if it came up elsewhere, but...

http://boundforglorynews.com/?p=1147

Under the heading 'Rivers to become a Cat'. I don't know how reputable the source is, but Rohan Connolly pumps up their tyres on twitter. A bit of a lol beginning the article with 'Melbourne's hellish season continues'. While it'll be sad if he goes, we'll be compensated, and if we had been dead keen to keep him, he wouldn't have been in the death row 11 who werent getting their contracts renewed until after the season, as leaked to the paper in August.

Article is well written and sounds very plausible and reasonable. If this guy walked into the offices of the Australian tomorrow and applied for a sportswriting gig, that Denham fellow would be out of a job in a trice.

Good luck to Riv. He's been a good servant and deserves success. With us, he might find himself on the outer as we employ a youth policy.

[Carrot Top 947]

This is a day old so I don't know if it came up elsewhere, but...

http://boundforglorynews.com/?p=1147

Under the heading 'Rivers to become a Cat'. I don't know how reputable the source is, but Rohan Connolly pumps up their tyres on twitter. A bit of a lol beginning the article with 'Melbourne's hellish season continues'. While it'll be sad if he goes, we'll be compensated, and if we had been dead keen to keep him, he wouldn't have been in the death row 11 who werent getting their contracts renewed until after the season, as leaked to the paper in August.

I like Riv and hope he stays, but if not I'm not going to worry about it too much. He's a good player that will never be a great, and we'll cover the loss without too much pain.

[jackaub 1,402]

That 3 years for Jamar might turn out to be one of our bigger fails in this next rebuild.

3 years is an absolute joke given his obvious limitaions

Nver been a fan nevr kicked goals never took marks nver chased nver filled in one kick behind the play

nver fierce

In my opinion a rockstar in his own mind

MFC will regret the 3 years however i think he may retire hurt early definitley not a grade

[monoccular 17,650]

I have elaborated on this in various threads but I think a team will get a pick for every net player they lose, according to their 'points.' so if we lose two players and only gain Byrnes we will get one pick to the points left over. If we lose 3 players we will get 2 picks according to the points left over (probably split in half as evenly as possible).

Again, I don't think we will know exactly how it works until it happens. Another half-arsed effort by the AFL IMO.

it will probably turn out about as fair, just and equitable as the tribunal points system, in other words another epic Dumbitriou fail. :-(((

[rpfc 28,927]

3 years is an absolute joke given his obvious limitaions

Nver been a fan nevr kicked goals never took marks nver chased nver filled in one kick behind the play

nver fierce

In my opinion a rockstar in his own mind

MFC will regret the 3 years however i think he may retire hurt early definitley not a grade

In my opinion - I have never thought much of your opinions.

[beelzebub 23,390]

That's nver rpfc !!

[Undeeterred 3,127]

3 years is an absolute joke given his obvious limitaions

Nver been a fan nevr kicked goals never took marks nver chased nver filled in one kick behind the play

nver fierce

In my opinion a rockstar in his own mind

MFC will regret the 3 years however i think he may retire hurt early definitley not a grade

Wow. Probably one of the more uninformed posts I've read on here, and that's saying something.

[H_T 3,049]

This is a day old so I don't know if it came up elsewhere, but...

http://boundforglorynews.com/?p=1147

Under the heading 'Rivers to become a Cat'. I don't know how reputable the source is, but Rohan Connolly pumps up their tyres on twitter. A bit of a lol beginning the article with 'Melbourne's hellish season continues'. While it'll be sad if he goes, we'll be compensated, and if we had been dead keen to keep him, he wouldn't have been in the death row 11 who werent getting their contracts renewed until after the season, as leaked to the paper in August.

Article is well written and sounds very plausible and reasonable. If this guy walked into the offices of the Australian tomorrow and applied for a sportswriting gig, that Denham fellow would be out of a job in a trice.

Good luck to Riv. He's been a good servant and deserves success. With us, he might find himself on the outer as we employ a youth policy.

I think that's eth38 who is a poster here.