Tom Scully in September ...

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I hope Tom was honest to Garry about what he thought was wrong at melbourne Dean Bailey apparently said on friday night on SEN Tom went to him a few times about issues. If there are issues and it looks like they are then they must be dealt with. We need to start fresh next season and maybe some people ned to go and not have a boys club mentality.

Also what did happen in China last season. Did Scully really get vomitted on and did the players just treat it as a end of season trip.

ANyway for those interested Tom will be on SEN ont he rum home after 4. I hope OX asks some hard questions.

I think you can call them "seeds", you plant a few of them along the way and when you leave you can come back to them and justify your decision. If Bailey needed Scully to tell him what the problems were at Melbourne, then he was a worse coach then I thought, if he was supposed to be in charge and he was getting info from a 20 year old then what was he doing? Bailey has had a couple of sly digs at Melbourne since he left and I hope the club take note of that.

Scully's gone and that's it, we can move on and get on with trying to get this club back to some sort of professional level and if the above is true we have dodged a bullet by not re appointing Bailey and in my opinion another one by losing Scully, he was the wrong choice from the get go and let's see how he fares under the two lunatics up at GW$.

[old dee 24,001]

I think, for a number of reasons, we have probably dodged a big bullet

Only time will tell

Not apportioning any blame (others will no doubt) but just trying to look at reality

In the end money talks, like it or not

Unfortunately this has hung over our heads like the Sword of Damocles and damaged our season

There is nowhere to go now but onwards and upwards (I fervently hope)

I could not agree more DC how could you knock back a guarnateed 6 years at $1 miilion / year.

I cannot object to him taking the money.

I doubt any AFL footballer is worth that amount

Time will tell if he is worth it.

The pressure starts now Tom, GWS and the Media are going to be looking for extraordinary performances from here on

This is the last comment I make about Tom Scully he is now a GWS player good luck Tom

but you are now the enemy look out from here on when you play the Dees

Now lets just get the hell on with it MFC.

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

I'm confident the club will move on and all will end well but I reckon we've just lost a great kid. The way he spoke during his press conference made me realise why they see him as a possible captain.

Having said that, I look forward to the GWS/Melbourne clash next year.

[nutbean 8,838]

I'm not saying they need to bad-mouth him Hardtack, but something along the lines of what Trengove has said a few times in regards to money isn't everything and that he plays to win premierships, or something subtle about missing out on sharing this ride with his mates.

It was a soft response from Jones. As I said earlier, basically saying that it is ok for players to leave if they are offered big dollars. Pathetic.

It is ok for players to leave for big money if they want.

I posted elsewhere - we supporters are 100% emotional - we pay to watch our team. ( and dip into our pockets every time we are asked).

Some players will stay at a club for less money for the "dream" of premierships, others will take the money and run. I understand that players have to make these decisions ( Cam Bruce). Just dont expect us supporters to accept it.

It wasnt a soft response from Jones - it was a dumb response from Jones. Complete lack of understanding of how supporters feel. The better post was to not post at all.

[Demonic Ascent 0]

Mike Sheahan already trying to downplay the compensation we should get saying we shouldn't get the same as Geelong did for Ablett because Ablett was a proven star of the game. Sheahan saying we should get a first-rounder and maybe a second or third rounder as well.

[censored] that. The club needs to get on the front foot with this one and let it be known we won't take anythign except two first rounders. Based on the AFL's own calculations for compo we deserve the highest level. A #1 pick two years ago who has been offered a $6M/6 years front-loaded contract and will be the highest paid player in the comp next year. Regardless of what he has or hasn't shown based on these two factors we should be getting 2 first rounders and anyone who even mentions anything less needs to be shot down by the club.

We can't let this permeate through the circle-jerk media, everyone knows Sheahan and the like are mouthpieces for the AFL so if he is coming out with this you know there is an agenda there. Nip it in the bud now before it is repeated on On The Couch, One Week at a Time, Footy Classified (though hopefully Garry will get on to it tonight), AFL Insider, AFL 360, Sheahan's column tomorrow, Wilson's column tomorrow, etc etc. Once stories like this grow legs they get repeated ad nauseum and condition the public to the reality they want to create. Fact is we deserve two first rounders and if there was any fairness to this we would be given another #1 priority pick in compo. Of course there isn't so at the very least it should be two first rounders.

[Macca 17,113]

Tom Scully was gone when his management group put off all contract negotiations until the end of the season - they slammed the door shut there and then and threw away the key - and this was done early in the season .

I'm not at all angry or upset with fellow Demons for "Believing in Tom" - everyone is entitled to an opinion - to me there isn't any right or wrong with regards to this issue - much like the pro/anti Dean Bailey issue .

I reckon this whole saga/circus will galvanize and unite the Club and the fans - An "Us against them" attitude in sport works quite well as long as it doesn't become a sooking exercise .

[Demonic Ascent 0]

I'm confident the club will move on and all will end well but I reckon we've just lost a great kid. The way he spoke during his press conference made me realise why they see him as a possible captain.

Having said that, I look forward to the GWS/Melbourne clash next year.

[censored] him, I hope he wrecks his knee and never plays again.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

It is ok for players to leave for big money if they want.

I posted elsewhere - we supporters are 100% emotional - we pay to watch our team. ( and dip into our pockets every time we are asked).

Some players will stay at a club for less money for the "dream" of premierships, others will take the money and run. I understand that players have to make these decisions ( Cam Bruce). Just dont expect us supporters to accept it.

It wasnt a soft response from Jones - it was a dumb response from Jones. Complete lack of understanding of how supporters feel. The better post was to not post at all.

The response from Jones says a lot about the attitude and professionalism of the players at the club. That's the same sort of soft approach we take out on to the ground.

It's a job and there's no passion.

[beelzebub 23,390]

I wouldn't be so sure he will be a "great player" and "tearing it apart"

He has a number of deficiencies in his game

I personally think too many overrate him because he was a no 1 draft pick

Of course only time will tell

Nut and Shell

rest on money too

[hardtack 10,859]

The response from Jones says a lot about the attitude and professionalism of the players at the club. That's the same sort of soft approach we take out on to the ground.

It's a job and there's no passion.

I think that's a tad harsh RF... Jones is one player who gives his all on the field and never shirks a contest. I'm sure that while he takes a measured approach in his Twitter comment (which makes sense considering what the press would do if they started making vindictive tweets), Jones will be happy to run over the top of Scully without so much as blinking an eye, on the field where it matters.

[beelzebub 23,390]

Not slow off the mark...already gone from MFC website... :)

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I think that's a tad harsh RF... Jones is one player who gives his all on the field and never shirks a contest. I'm sure that while he takes a measured approach in his Twitter comment (which makes sense considering what the press would do if they started making vindictive tweets), Jones will be happy to run over the top of Scully without so much as blinking an eye, on the field where it matters.

Read what I said, it was not about Jones and his hardness at the ball it is about the overall professionalism of the players and their ready acceptance of defeat.

He should be filthy at Scully for deserting his team and not "oh well, it's a lot of money".

Other much better players than Scully, have remained at their clubs and have shown a bond that we are incapable of doing.

Anyway back to the Scully remuneration, weren't we all told, assured by his sponsor on here last week that Scully told him the figures were no where what was reported? Well that certainly turned out to be [censored] didn't it? You were there and had a go at me when I questioned it Jaded; anything to add to that? Along with the "we trust someone that knows more than you" brigade?

It's been a dividing issue and anyone that didn't tow the company line was criticised.

[hardtack 10,859]

Read what I said, it was not about Jones and his hardness at the ball it is about the overall professionalism of the players and their ready acceptance of defeat.

And read what I said RF... if they tweet what they are really thinking, the chances are very high that the press will get hold of it and it will come back to bite them big time. Recall what occurred following tweets about the Trengove decision. As I said, they will no doubt pass on their impressions to him on the field where it matters.

Hopefully the compensation plus money saved plus no longer required players (Warnock, Bate(?), Maric et al) will be enough to get us something good in the way of an experienced match ready player or two.

[Ron Burgundy 8,587]

Done and dusted, the deed is done, move on and close this topic down

Why? In order to censor some of the ignorant vitriol displayed by certain posters on this very thread towards others who posted, in good faith, comments that were at odds with their cheerleader view of Tom Scully and 'his word'?!

The reality is, many people knew this was stitched up a long time ago. For instance, I merely posted what I had heard at a GWS coterie function held at the Swans v Collingwood game several months ago, only to get hounded down by some genuinely idiotic posters. I've heard plenty since, but didn't see the value in posting it on this site in the circumstances.

And fyi - only last Friday, Kevin Sheedy was boasting to a number of my mates that GWS had landed Scully and that an announcement would be made around midday on Monday (ie, today). Funny that, because that's exactly what happened.

Between Friday and today though, Scully has been declaring to all and sundry that he had still not yet made up his mind. I pose the question - is that really plausible?

And, to think, we probably didn't take Jack Darling because of fears about his character. No doubt, he'll end up playing about 310 games for the Eagles - whereas our prized number one draft pick gave us 31 reaonably average games. Thankfully our number 9 has what we need in spades.

[McQueen 17,867]

I just bumped into Sheedy at Sydney airport and apart from wanting to give him a few choice words, I asked him about the compensation for $cully.

He said quote, "You will get 1st and 2nd round picks and you should consider that as lucky".

[armstrong35 262]

even though we knew all along he was going

i did have a inch of hope he was staying

was guttered when it was made official

he isn't in the red and blue no more so lets move on now and concentrate on players that want to play for us

from day one scully just didn't look happy being at the mfc

[rpfc 28,906]

I believe the GWS will do what we are doing with heavily frontended contracts so if Scully is on $6m then getting $2m(ish) out of the way in the first year is advantageous to their salary cap.

We are most likely doing something very similar with Trengove, Watts, et al.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

And read what I said RF... if they tweet what they are really thinking, the chances are very high that the press will get hold of it and it will come back to bite them big time. Recall what occurred following tweets about the Trengove decision. As I said, they will no doubt pass on their impressions to him on the field where it matters.

Hopefully the compensation plus money saved plus no longer required players (Warnock, Bate(?), Maric et al) will be enough to get us something good in the way of an experienced match ready player or two.

You still miss the point; he shouldn't tweet at all if that's the case, that is unprofessional and I hope the club have a talk to him about it. We can't have a player come out and say "Oh well" when the Club are holding a press conference and the CEO is seething over the issue. There is no law in the AFL saying that Jones can't express his disgust at a player walking out on the club.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I think that's a tad harsh RF... Jones is one player who gives his all on the field and never shirks a contest. I'm sure that while he takes a measured approach in his Twitter comment (which makes sense considering what the press would do if they started making vindictive tweets), Jones will be happy to run over the top of Scully without so much as blinking an eye, on the field where it matters.

I think it's time to remove players from the Twitter feed on the website, let it be used for official purposes only.

People don't got the MFC site to see what Nathan Jones is having for breakfast.

[hardtack 10,859]

You still miss the point; he shouldn't tweet at all if that's the case, that is unprofessional and I hope the club have a talk to him about it. We can't have a player come out and say "Oh well" when the Club are holding a press conference and the CEO is seething over the issue. There is no law in the AFL saying that Jones can't express his disgust at a player walking out on the club.

Fair enough.

[Demon Stalwart 255]

I just bumped into Sheedy at Sydney airport and apart from wanting to give him a few choice words, I asked him about the compensation for $cully.

He said quote, "You will get 1st and 2nd round picks and you should consider that as lucky".

If thats True do you think that the MFC could demand as part of the Compensation that with next years draw Melbourne gets to be the first team to play against GWS??

Now wouldnt that be fun and really give the players something to train for and look forward to for its first game of 2012, to me there would be no greater incentive to start of with a real BANG!!

[rpfc 28,906]

You still miss the point; he shouldn't tweet at all if that's the case, that is unprofessional and I hope the club have a talk to him about it. We can't have a player come out and say "Oh well" when the Club are holding a press conference and the CEO is seething over the issue. There is no law in the AFL saying that Jones can't express his disgust at a player walking out on the club.

I agree that I would have liked to have seen more passion but I understand that Jones venting on Twitter wouldn't have been great for all involved.

I do hope to see more passion when we play the little [censored].

[hardtack 10,859]

I think it's time to remove players from the Twitter feed on the website, let it be used for official purposes only.

People don't got the MFC site to see what Nathan Jones is having for breakfast.

I agree with that actually... if they are removed from the MFC site's Twitter feed, perhaps they will be more free to post openly as opposed to towing the club line. But I still expect that they would temper their comments as unlike us who have no contact with Scully and can be dispassionate in our judgements, they know him on a personal level and in many cases as a friend.

Edited September 12, 2011 by hardtack

[Nasher 33,617]

I agree that I would have liked to have seen more passion but I understand that Jones venting on Twitter wouldn't have been great for all involved.

I'd have liked him to keep quiet.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Why? In order to censor some of the ignorant vitriol displayed by certain posters on this very thread towards others who posted, in good faith, comments that were at odds with their cheerleader view of Tom Scully and 'his word'?!

The reality is, many people knew this was stitched up a long time ago. For instance, I merely posted what I had heard at a GWS coterie function held at the Swans v Collingwood game several months ago, only to get hounded down by some genuinely idiotic posters. I've heard plenty since, but didn't see the value in posting it on this site in the circumstances.

And fyi - only last Friday, Kevin Sheedy was boasting to a number of my mates that GWS had landed Scully and that an announcement would be made around midday on Monday (ie, today). Funny that, because that's exactly what happened.

Between Friday and today though, Scully has been declaring to all and sundry that he had still not yet made up his mind. I pose the question - is that really plausible?

And, to think, we probably didn't take Jack Darling because of fears about his character. No doubt, he'll end up playing about 310 games for the Eagles - whereas our prized number one draft pick gave us 31 reaonably average games. Thankfully our number 9 has what we need in spades.

Interesting to see that G Lyon voted Darling the 5th best recruit out of that draft; i wonder if he was upset we didn't look at him more closely?

Why would we want a player that was able to it the ground running anyway, isn't it better to put them at Casey for 3 or 5 years first?