LUKE TAPSCOTT

[bush demon 2,040]

Can anyone recall a better debut than that from an MFC player? I can't ...

To nitpick on a kid who's just racked up club b and f votes and probably a rising star nom in his first game, is ridiculous.

the day DAvid Cordner kicked eight. Was that his first game?

Answering my own q:

Melbourne - 1985

Opponent Rd R Kicks Marks H.Balls Disp Goals Bhd H.O. Tack FrF FrA BM

Fitzroy 1 W 8 6 8 7 1

fourth season. Was a memorable round one, - to quote Jack Dyer - even if I can hardly remember it.

Edited March 28, 2011 by bush demon

[nutbean 8,838]

Tapscott is strong, has a beautiful beautiful kick. His only question marks will be his ability to play on smaller more agile opponents or those 190cm plus. Time will tell if he is good enough to cover these deficiencies. On yesterday's performance we have reason to be positive.

Could I have my pie with cream and berries please.

Couldn't agree more - time will tell if a 180cm small defender can play on 190cm plus footballers - Franklin, Brown, Cloke. Take note coaching staff !

[rpfc 28,430]

Tapscott is strong, has a beautiful beautiful kick. His only question marks will be his ability to play on smaller more agile opponents or those 190cm plus. Time will tell if he is good enough to cover these deficiencies. On yesterday's performance we have reason to be positive.

Could I have my pie with cream and berries please.

What pie?

You haven't even admitted you were wrong, or even that you seem to be wrong at this early stage.

For humble pie to be eaten you have to actually be more humble.

It's a metaphor.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

the day DAvid Cordner kicked eight. Was that his first game?

Answering my own q:

Melbourne - 1985

Opponent Rd R Kicks Marks H.Balls Disp Goals Bhd H.O. Tack FrF FrA BM

Fitzroy 1 W 8 6 8 7 1

fourth season. Was a memorable round one, - to quote Jack Dyer - even if I can hardly remember it.

Cordner debuted in 1982. When he started his 1985 year, he had played 25 games or so.

Petterd's first game some years ago in a beaten defence was as good as I have seen for a long time.

There was a thin willowy 17yo who played his 1st game against Geelong in 1973 then looked the good then and wnet to become a club great...Robert Flower.

[Roost It 1,434]

What pie?

You haven't even admitted you were wrong, or even that you seem to be wrong at this early stage.

For humble pie to be eaten you have to actually be more humble.

It's a metaphor.

I was offered pie so I just asked to have it with cream and berries. I never said I was humble.

[Roost It 1,434]

I don't disagree I just thought that, in view of his recent comments, he could have just left it at well done Tappy there'll be plenty of time and threads to voice criticism.

It's not criticism it's my observation of him as a footballer. The modern footballer is tall and agile or short, agile and very quick. Tapscott doesn't fit into either category. Time will tell whether he gets exposed because of it. And yes he was terrific yesterday.

[No16 1]

For those that missed it or want to see it again...

[Dee Fan 3,247]

It's not criticism it's my observation of him as a footballer. The modern footballer is tall and agile or short, agile and very quick. Tapscott doesn't fit into either category. Time will tell whether he gets exposed because of it. And yes he was terrific yesterday.

Criticism/Observation/Query/Opinion/Doubt it's all pretty much the same no matter how you want to couch it. Who's to say he will always play on the backline, they may want him to learn the defensive side of the game then put him in the midfield.

Anyway, as I said time will tell, you won't know exactly how good he is until he's played a couple of seasons. Note how I said how good he is because I don't think there's any doubt about that, I have a hunch.

Edited March 29, 2011 by RobbieF

[Satan 2,871]

Surprise surprise, heppell won rising star nomination did not know NAB performances countered for it

[Sir Why You Little 37,038]

For those that missed it or want to see it again...

Awesome....i was trying to find this last night.

Can't wait to see that sort of stuff in late September..... B)

[Roost It 1,434]

Criticism/Observation/Query/Opinion/Doubt it's all pretty much the same no matter how you want to couch it. Who's to say he will always play on the backline, they may want him to learn the defensive side of the game then put him in the midfield.

Anyway, as I said time will tell, you won't know exactly how good he is until he's played a couple of seasons. Note how I said how good he is because I don't think there's any doubt about that, I have a hunch.

So you don't feel like entering a discussion about his strengths and weaknesses?

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

My God. That's good eatin'

His shoulders are like the shoulder pads of an NFL footballer.

[Dinosaur Rover 197]

Judy Garland played his best game for the MFC yesterday..Goodes did not touch the ball in the last Q. Considering the first half Goodes played that is a brilliant effort.

i was not fully sold on Garland until yesterday, but his last Q did it for me.

Gotta back it up next week....very important.

On Garland its easy to forget that a year ago he was coming back from injury (injury in 2009 / back round 3 2010 I think)and we hadnt seen much of his game. Now he is playing on the best in the competition and doing well. Its off topic but the way the ball was coming in in the first half to Goodes would have challenged the best defenders. Like Jamar he had to step up to the key role and hopefully will prosper with that challenge.

[nutbean 8,838]

It's not criticism it's my observation of him as a footballer. The modern footballer is tall and agile or short, agile and very quick. Tapscott doesn't fit into either category. Time will tell whether he gets exposed because of it. And yes he was terrific yesterday.

So you have seen enough to say that this short footballer is slower and less agile than Gary Ablett Jnr ? Bartel ? Dane Swan ? Nickie D ? Rich ? None of these players are blessed with exceptional pace - all have good movement - is there something that you have seen with Tapscott that says to you he has no evasive skills ?

To me the mix for a modern day footballer is to be able to find the ball - in his one game game he has shown thats not a problem, have good courage - he has that in spades and dispose well - his foot skills are very nice indeed.

Can't see any merit in your argument at all.

Edited March 29, 2011 by nutbean

[Sir Why You Little 37,038]

On Garland its easy to forget that a year ago he was coming back from injury (injury in 2009 / back round 3 2010 I think)and we hadnt seen much of his game. Now he is playing on the best in the competition and doing well. Its off topic but the way the ball was coming in in the first half to Goodes would have challenged the best defenders. Like Jamar he had to step up to the key role and hopefully will prosper with that challenge.

i agree totally, but at DB said in the after match Garland adjusted his game and positioning against Goodes and Beat him. That is a great sign.

Many players would just Battle on and be beaten, Garland rose to the Challenge and won. I commend that. Another great training video we can use in future.

The stopping of goodes probably was the major factor in us getting back into the game....then the supporters got louder and we helped out!!!!

[Dee Fan 3,247]

So you don't feel like entering a discussion about his strengths and weaknesses?

When I've seen him play a bit more I will, if you can judge him on one game then you're too good for me and I'll bow to you foresight and wonderful judgment.

As I explained I missed his first up game because I was in transit to Australia as the game was being played so I won’t be able to watch it until it is downloaded tomorrow from Foxtel. From what I’ve read on here he was pretty good and it seems that there are plenty singing his praises and yourself saying he played ok but then questioning his ability to progress because his perceived lack of height.

I’ve been around for a long time and I’ve seen plenty of footballers defy logic and become Stars of the game when they appeared to be the wrong shape, Mick Nolan, too slow Greg Williams, or too small Liberatore. There is a theory that you have to be 196 plus to be a FF or CHF but you have players like Fevola and Pavlich both of whom are about 190. Let’s see how he goes in the season before we pass judgment on his lack of height.

[Roost It 1,434]

When I've seen him play a bit more I will, if you can judge him on one game then you're too good for me and I'll bow to you foresight and wonderful judgment.

As I explained I missed his first up game because I was in transit to Australia as the game was being played so I won’t be able to watch it until it is downloaded tomorrow from Foxtel. From what I’ve read on here he was pretty good and it seems that there are plenty singing his praises and yourself saying he played ok but then questioning his ability to progress because his perceived lack of height.

I’ve been around for a long time and I’ve seen plenty of footballers defy logic and become Stars of the game when they appeared to be the wrong shape, Mick Nolan, too slow Greg Williams, or too small Liberatore. There is a theory that you have to be 196 plus to be a FF or CHF but you have players like Fevola and Pavlich both of whom are about 190. Let’s see how he goes in the season before we pass judgment on his lack of height.

Actually I wasn't asking for judgement just putting a couple of discussion points out there. No doubt he played well and as nutbean pointed out there has been plenty of exceptional talent who aren't the current"shape" I raised the issues as after watching him play they were the only possible downsides I could find.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Actually I wasn't asking for judgement just putting a couple of discussion points out there. No doubt he played well and as nutbean pointed out there has been plenty of exceptional talent who aren't the current"shape" I raised the issues as after watching him play they were the only possible downsides I could find.

To be continued.

[Roost It 1,434]

To be continued.

looking forward to it

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Jeez.

I can see where this is going. Everyone's already so combative, it's going to get to the stage where whenever Tappy has a good game, people will get stuck into Roost It... and whenever he has a bad game, Roost it will... well... roost it up everyone else. Rather like the "Jayceebee" model where whenever Grimes has a bad game he's right, but when he plays well, he's wrong. Or the "Freak" one where if a player who's 191 or 192cm or whatever it was plays well, everyone gets stuck into him.

There's going to be a thread with passive aggressive asides aimed at RI for the next year, whenever Tappy has some news.

[ChaserJ 5,096]

Criticism/Observation/Query/Opinion/Doubt it's all pretty much the same no matter how you want to couch it. Who's to say he will always play on the backline, they may want him to learn the defensive side of the game then put him in the midfield.

I'd say long term Tappy will play the fwd/midfield role. I can see him becoming our Chapman. Strong bodied, straight line player who's strong overhead and can kick a long goal. He's built for finals footy.

I'd say his current position in the backline has everything to do with his elite kicking skills and our desperate need for clean disposal out of defence. Strauss was meant to be this player, but he hasn't come on (yet). An elite kicking 'quarterback' is a must with modern forward zones.

Edited March 29, 2011 by ChaserJ

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Jeez.

I can see where this is going. Everyone's already so combative, it's going to get to the stage where whenever Tappy has a good game, people will get stuck into Roost It... and whenever he has a bad game, Roost it will... well... roost it up everyone else. Rather like the "Jayceebee" model where whenever Grimes has a bad game he's right, but when he plays well, he's wrong. Or the "Freak" one where if a player who's 191 or 192cm or whatever it was plays well, everyone gets stuck into him.

There's going to be a thread with passive aggressive asides aimed at RI for the next year, whenever Tappy has some news.

Not from me it won't, as I said earlier you can't make a judgement until he has a season or two behind him.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I'm disappointed, two posts by you both containing continued criticism of Tappy, can't you just say "yeah he's not bad is he"?

Question him in ten weeks not after his first game which was apparently very good. I say that because i was in transit back to Australia yesterday when he game was being played and didn't see it.

I was over the moon when they called his name on draft day as I felt he would go early and was amazed when he was there at 18. To miss his first game was a real shame for me.

Like a silky terrier with a drumstick, go bury it somewhere.

[Roost It 1,434]

Jeez.

I can see where this is going. Everyone's already so combative, it's going to get to the stage where whenever Tappy has a good game, people will get stuck into Roost It... and whenever he has a bad game, Roost it will... well... roost it up everyone else. Rather like the "Jayceebee" model where whenever Grimes has a bad game he's right, but when he plays well, he's wrong. Or the "Freak" one where if a player who's 191 or 192cm or whatever it was plays well, everyone gets stuck into him.

There's going to be a thread with passive aggressive asides aimed at RI for the next year, whenever Tappy has some news.

I'm not going to roost it up anyone. I took the opposing line before sunday and now I'm just looking for a discussion about him as a footballer. I have no intention to say I told you so, especially since what I said was wrong!!

[H_T 3,047]

I'm not going to roost it up anyone. I took the opposing line before sunday and now I'm just looking for a discussion about him as a footballer. I have no intention to say I told you so, especially since what I said was wrong!!

Agree. I think others should be a little more respectful considering you've put your hand up and recognised this. There's no need to go overboard. A little sledge is more than enough.

Now back to Tapscott...you should include him on your favourite players.