THE TOM SCULLY TO GWS THREAD

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

How many uncontracted players can GWS sign? And do players such as Folau count or is it only established AFL players?

I don't think that Scully is going to go as there is no incentive I can see other than money. He does not seem the type chase money, but he definitely seems the type that wants to win premierships.

There is no point in carrying on as if we've already lost him or we're going to lose him, as that will only lower our chances of retaining him. We need to support him every time he takes to the field in the red and blue and hopefully this will make his decision easy.

[drdrake 3,135]

Oh, I forgot 1023 posts in this thread Jack Watts eat your heart out....

That is great Tom is now satisfied that we love him more than Jack Watts, please no one re-open the Jack Watts thread Tom wants this demonland record.

[Sir Why You Little 36,747]

Actually the expression was from their advertisements well before 1966.

Oh i am well aware of the BEX advertisements

"BEX is Better"

[nutbean 8,838]

I have stated elsewhere that the negotiations will be when the negotiations will be - this post is not an attempt to say "Sign up now or else" (bad strategy) - it is to highlight to those calling for Tom to say something to appease us, that you are better off saying nothing at all, except of course " I have renewed my contract".

From the Geelong advertiser

"I see myself very much as a leader on the field and I enjoy that part of it, but there's parts I need to work on off the field," Ablett said in April. "I'd love to captain the Geelong Football Club one day, it's just something that would be great to do, it'd definitely be an honour. I love the club."

Edited February 16, 2011 by nutbean

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I have stated elsewhere that the negotiations will be when the negotiations will be - this post is not an attempt to say "Sign up now or else" (bad strategy) - it is to highlight to those calling for Tom to say something to appease us, that you are better off saying nothing at all, except of course " I have renewed my contract".

From the Geelong advertiser

"I see myself very much as a leader on the field and I enjoy that part of it, but there's parts I need to work on off the field," Ablett said in April. "I'd love to captain the Geelong Football Club one day, it's just something that would be great to do, it'd definitely be an honour. I love the club."

how McLean-ish

[nutbean 8,838]

how McLean-ish

Another good example of a player making all the right noises right up until the time he asked to be traded to Carlton !

Whilst it makes good reading and the heart feel all warm and gooey, I don't place a great deal of store in players saying " I want to be a demon for life".

I don't need Tom Scully to say anything that will make me feel warm and gooey except " I have signed an MFC Contract"

[Hobbits's 17]

here I thought this thread may have been buried. good on ya nutbean !

[rpfc 28,084]

Another good example of a player making all the right noises right up until the time he asked to be traded to Carlton !

Whilst it makes good reading and the heart feel all warm and gooey, I don't place a great deal of store in players saying " I want to be a demon for life".

I don't need Tom Scully to say anything that will make me feel warm and gooey except " I have signed an MFC Contract"

You are so an ostrich.

Nutbean making the most sense in this thread I vote.

Axis of Bob with the best post.

Cali with the most handwringing.

And C&B with the most crazy.

It's been a wild ride...

[nutbean 8,838]

here I thought this thread may have been buried. good on ya nutbean !

Can't help myself - its my "gotta have the last word" syndrome - cost me two wives so far.

[Samsara 65]

I am more interested now in all the members of this forum (and BigFooty) that apparently know someone who has told them/indicated to them that Scully is a) signing with MFC soon, b ) has signed with GWS, c) has in fact not signed but is waiting until end of year or d) insert other situation here. So many people have this inside information despite it all contradicting each other. What is the motivation for pretending that you have inside knowledge when, in fact, you know nothing?

Edited February 16, 2011 by Samsara

[rpfc 28,084]

I am more interested now in all the members of this forum (and BigFooty) that apparently know someone who has told them/indicated to them that Scully is a) signing with MFC soon, b ) has signed with GWS, c) has in fact not signed but is waiting until end of year or d) insert other situation here. So many people have this inside information despite it all contradicting each other. What is the motivation for pretending that you have inside knowledge when, in fact, you know nothing?

People believe you to the point where they come on a forum and question why so many posters would supply bogus information that they believed was true.

[Keyser Söze 0]

Neil Balme coming to our defense, or rather to the defense of the integrity of the draft system:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afls-expansion-rules-not-in-sync/story-e6frf9jf-1226006953324

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

And C&B with the most crazy.

oh yeah show me all the crazy calls why don't you

my stance has always been that extra cash will trump family, prestige, success, whatever the likes of KS and other wishful thinkers want to throw up.. and that GWS will most definitely be putting extra cash on the table

if that's crazy talk then I guess I'm guilty as charged

[rpfc 28,084]

oh yeah show me all the crazy calls why don't you

my stance has always been that extra cash will trump family, prestige, success, whatever the likes of KS and other wishful thinkers want to throw up.. and that GWS will most definitely be putting extra cash on the table

if that's crazy talk then I guess I'm guilty as charged

Not that.

Everything you say around that has been the 'crazy'.

It's a harsh term.

Maybe...odd then.

[GIRO 63]

This scully situation is crazy I am to worried that he has agreed to their deal because why wouldn’t he come out and say im staying with Melbourne im just not signing until the end of the year ? anyway if you guys have forgotten that there is a kid called Jack Viney who seems itching to play for the red and blue and looks to be a huge talent but will all have to wait and see what happens god I hope Scully stays though

[rpfc 28,084]

This scully situation is crazy I am to worried that he has agreed to their deal because why wouldn’t he come out and say im staying with Melbourne im just not signing until the end of the year ? anyway if you guys have forgotten that there is a kid called Jack Viney who seems itching to play for the red and blue and looks to be a huge talent but will all have to wait and see what happens god I hope Scully stays though

Because his manager would say it would mean around $100k in his next contract.

If you say you aren't leaving - why would anyone pay you more to stay?

Keep them coming fellas, I am bored and I am willing.

[daisycutter 29,441]

What is the motivation for pretending that you have inside knowledge when, in fact, you know nothing?

Ah that is off topic. You are basically asking a what is the meaning of life type of question. Never did get around to Philosophy 101

[titan_uranus 24,917]

Keep them coming fellas, I am bored and I am willing.

OK.

Why hasn't Scully held a press conference to douse the rumours?

Surely the fact that every rumour on the radio/TV/newspapers says that Scully has signed means he has signed?

Who wouldn't take that much money?

Doesn't this, along with the Judd and Burgoyne situations, show that we are still a club that no one wants to play for?

[loges 6,767]

OK.

Why hasn't Scully held a press conference to douse the rumours?

Surely the fact that every rumour on the radio/TV/newspapers says that Scully has signed means he has signed?

Who wouldn't take that much money?

Doesn't this, along with the Judd and Burgoyne situations, show that we are still a club that no one wants to play for?

I'll pose the question again, why would you sign without hearing your current clubs best offer ?

[45HG 1,539]

Why would anyone in their right mind leave the Dees?

[rpfc 28,084]

I am up to the task!

Why hasn't Scully held a press conference to douse the rumours?

You're assuming one is tied to the other - that a press conference will douse the rumours. He can only give platitudes when certainty is what they want. The only press conference I want to see with Tom this year is his re-signing presser.

Surely the fact that every rumour on the radio/TV/newspapers says that Scully has signed means he has signed?

Every branch comes from the same trunk. Rumours usually have multiple heads but the same body. The number of people saying 'rumour as fact' is irrelevant. Dick Cheney was a master of this - he once cited an interview as evidence of 'people saying' a particular POV, the interview was one he had done a few days earlier.

Who wouldn't take that much money?

Someone who values other things more. Take it from someone who has moved away from all those things that don't have a dollar figure - it's tough.

And, besides, anyone will tell him he will earn about $10m (gross) purely from salary payments from the Dees over his career anyway.

Doesn't this, along with the Judd and Burgoyne situations, show that we are still a club that no one wants to play for?

This is at the heart of why I continually talk about the MFCSS and why I want us to have more confidence as a club and a supporter group. It's a nonsensical fear if you believe in the future that Stynes-Schwab-Connolly-Bailey are bringing to the club.

And that is all.

Note: TU is forwarding those questions, he is not supporting them.

[rpfc 28,084]

Why would anyone in their right mind leave the Dees?

An unanswerable question.

Once again, I have been foiled by my arch-nemesis 45HG16!

[Keyser Söze 0]

I'll have a crack.

OK.

Why hasn't Scully held a press conference to douse the rumours?

He's a second year player who has already has his management release a statement.

2nd year players with limited media experience do not front the media and should not be expected to.

Especially when a sufficient statement has been released that says the issue will be decided at the end of the season, and paid no more credence to until then.

Surely the fact that every rumour on the radio/TV/newspapers says that Scully has signed means he has signed?

Of course not. Rumours are just that.

If GWS has not signed him as stated, it is in their best interests to spread such rumours.

They should be paid no heed.

Who wouldn't take that much money?

Many AFL players who are already being paid handsomely, who do not place a bit of extra money as their highest priority, when they already have more than they know what to do with.

Doesn't this, along with the Judd and Burgoyne situations, show that we are still a club that no one wants to play for?

That wasnt the case with Joel MacDonald, nor was it the case with Watts, Grimes, Frawley & Trengove when they re-signed.

[titan_uranus 24,917]

Note: TU is forwarding those questions, he is not supporting them.

Ta.

Just in case there are any others out there who, like Loges, didn't realise that.

You're assuming one is tied to the other - that a press conference will douse the rumours. He can only give platitudes when certainty is what they want. The only press conference I want to see with Tom this year is his re-signing presser.

Every branch comes from the same trunk. Rumours usually have multiple heads but the same body. The number of people saying 'rumour as fact' is irrelevant. Dick Cheney was a master of this - he once cited an interview as evidence of 'people saying' a particular POV, the interview was one he had done a few days earlier.

Someone who values other things more. Take it from someone who has moved away from all those things that don't have a dollar figure - it's tough.

And, besides, anyone will tell him he will earn about $10m (gross) purely from salary payments from the Dees over his career anyway.

This is at the heart of why I continually talk about the MFCSS and why I want us to have more confidence as a club and a supporter group. It's a nonsensical fear if you believe in the future that Stynes-Schwab-Connolly-Bailey are bringing to the club.

And that is all.

Thankyou very much. And KS too. Nice logic.

[Sir Why You Little 36,747]

OK.

Why hasn't Scully held a press conference to douse the rumours?

Surely the fact that every rumour on the radio/TV/newspapers says that Scully has signed means he has signed?

Who wouldn't take that much money?

Doesn't this, along with the Judd and Burgoyne situations, show that we are still a club that no one wants to play for?

T U if this is how you really feel, i am suprised, you must know a thing or 2 about Marketing coupled with supply and demand. Contract negotiations would be being sorted ON BOTH SIDES as we now speak.

The best thing for Tom Scully to do now is to train his Butt off and remain silent.

The statement was released last week, and my mum always taught me "No news is Good News"

Patience to you all grasshoppers please.